ThUnDeR2005

Heya guys, guess whos back

After more searching (my favorite passtime nowadays) I'm to the point of buying motor mounts. But here I am happening to browse through the actual Thirdgen.org faqs (on main page, not forum) and noticed that in the swap procedures, u need engine side motor mount brackets from another V8 thirdgen. The reason stated was because they are more shallow and allow the engine to sit lower in the bay

My question is this

Will the mount brackets already on my 350 make it sit too high even though this came from a 1980 f-body?

If it will, does anyone sell these brackets? I don't know where to go to get them.

Thx

ThUnDeR2005

ttt

someone must know? Or did people just live with engine sitting higher?

Lo-tec

You will need the correct brackets for the engine to sit right:

10213125 LH
14039436 RH

You can probably get them cheaper used from another forum member (about $31 each from the dealer).

ThUnDeR2005

I really appreciate that, I'll give a hollar in the classifieds, otherwise I'll hit up a dealership. Any GM certified dealership with parts department should hook me up, right?

Lo-tec

Correct, you can order them through any GM dealer with a parts dept.

ThUnDeR2005

Hey, has anyone here dealt with GM Parts direct.com? I found my brackets there and they only want $17 and 18$ for the brackets, so total 35 dollars for both brackets.

ThUnDeR2005

Ok, I like GMParts direct, they seem to have what i want for a reasonable price cept one thing....

I looked up the motor mounts for an 84 Camaro and came up with a list of them. The motor mount is 67 dollars PER mount?!

I called up a local parts store (O'Reilly Auto Parts) and they said a motor mount for a 1984 Camaro (305 though, not 350 obviously, doesn't make a dif anyways) was only 9.49 a piece.

Am I missing something here? Why would one mount be so expensive and the other isn't? Are they even the same type of mount?

Apeiron

Are you sure those are right?

ThUnDeR2005

I looked at both and they seem to be 82-92 V8 bracket? One for driver side and one for passenger.

I don't know though, if they worked. I know a fair share of guys here have done this v6-v8 thing before, they must have bought new brackets/mounts or something.

Search function is only as good as the terms used. I've tried all sorts of ways and unless I'm just so tired I can't seem to find them in threads, I'm having troubles with this motor mount business. It just seems fishy that a motor mount at one place can be so expensive, and another be so cheap. Maybe I should go the middle route like jegs and get mounts there?

The only thing I don't want to do is make a mistake and buy something I don't need and somehow can't return. That would suck. Our place has already received a warning about my cars sitting int he driveway in a non running state (some retard lease thing) So I'm trying to limit mistakes because time is of the essence for me. I'm looking towards a 5,000+ member forum for some guidance and while this site has given me the greatest advice ever (helped me get my old v6 going, helped answer some questions such as in this thread), I'm still finding myself a bit cloudy on some things.

So I'm sorry if I may seem buggy or think I'm not using the search function. I am. I've tried all sorts of combos of search terms to help find what I need. After I can't, then I start a new thread

Sorry if that seems a bit ranty, just lettin off a little steam. You guys are great and have offered much advice along with help. I appreciate it greatly and just hoping I can receive just a lil more help before I get close to crossing the finish line.

Apeiron

When you ask for a motor mount instead of a bracket, you're more likely going to get the rubber insert.

SweetRide45

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10213125 LH
14039436 RH

Are those for the "Engine Brackets" that go to the block? Standard SBC for Thirdgen?

Then the "Anchor 2292" from Advance/Autozone, etc. would be the "Frame Mounts"?

I'm swappin' in a LT1, from a previous V6, and need new mounts and brackets for the engine.

Thanks

Lo-tec

SweetRide45, you are correct. They are the same for 82-92 small block. The anchor 2292 is the rubber motor mount that goes on the k-member. For your LT1 swap you need these brackets and stock motor mounts for a V-8 camaro. There was just another thread about this, and the old part# for the LH bracket is 334970.

Thunder2005, yes the factory GM motor mounts are quite expensive. Get the one's from O'Reillys.

SweetRide45

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Lo-tec: Sounds good! What's the "old LH model #" for? Are the two #'s mentioned the "correct" ones for both LH and RH sides of the engine?

Also, I was thinking about going w/ the stock rubber frame mounts, b/c I heard it wasn't worth going Poly. I'd figure the dampening would be a little better too...but hell, all my other $hit is Poly/Rod Ends...so, what would be the best bet? I'm still leanin' towards Stock, since it shouldn't make a drastic difference, only stop some vibration.

Lo-tec

GM changes part #'s from time to time. Part #334970 is the old #, 10213125 is the new one. Same part, two different #'s. Probably safer to go with rubber mounts if you're worried about vibration.

SweetRide45

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Not THAT worried about vibration...just wondering if there's THAT much of a difference going to Poly...If it's minimal, or just to say you have poly...not really worth it in my book

ThUnDeR2005

Thanks guys, I think I got it so far.

I'd just need to order those brackets, then get the rubber mounts from O'Reillys. Then I'd be set for mounting the engine in the bay?

five7kid

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Make sure the chassis side is complete with rubber and steel. The typical poly mount is only the polymer, not the steel case.

Before dropping it in, you'll have to move the brake line on the crossmember. I'd also take this opportunity to powerwash the engine compartment and paint it up. Replacing the throttle cable would be easier now than when the engine is back in.

ThUnDeR2005

Ok thanks, will do. Might not be able to paint the bay because of time and funds, but I'll definitely give it a good cleaning.

Were you able to pick up your motor mounts that are rubber/steel at your typical parts store? We have an O'Reillys, Advanced Auto and a NAPA. I've only checked O'Reillys but I'll be calling Advanced and NAPA today. I hope they have my brackets too..... I want to minimized ordering online for issue of time.

five7kid

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I used the mounts from my donor car. However, a few minutes at www.napaonline.com found http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/nc...grpid=90792788 . Appears to be the complete frame mount unit.

five7kid

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Oh, and I intend to go poly when the 305 comes out and the 350 goes in.

For what that's worth.

ThUnDeR2005

There an advantage of poly over rubber? As in something I can feel or how the car acts, not just it being "poly".?

btw thanks for the link, since we have a napa here, that could be very useful. I very much appreciate it

Lincoln kinda sucks for parts sometimes heh.

EDIT Again: Ok the link worked. But I don't know if that motor mount will work. I tried lookign for 83 and 84 camaro motor mounts and it showed up nothing. I could search all of thirdgen, so maybe that one pops up? I'll keep looking

five7kid

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I searched by clicking on and choosing: Browse Our Catalog, Engine Parts, Motor Mounts, 1984, Chevrolet, Camaro, 305, and that's what came up - BK 6021179.

Poly mounts are stiffer than rubber (don't deflect as much under load), don't tend to sag as much over time, and stay together longer. Other than that, there's no reason to use them.

five7kid

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By the way, I spent a lot of time in the NAPA on West O from 1982-1985. Not sure it's still there, though - haven't been back in several years.

ThUnDeR2005

Ok sorry, I'm such a noob, I can't even search a site right. I typed in motor mounts into keyword search and they asked me to choose vehicle. All came up was bolts.

I think I'll go with rubber then. I'm invisioning myself pulling the motor again later in the year to cam the lil guy Maybe I'll go poly then if I can afford it.

So I guess I'll order the brackets from GMParts Direct and then hit up NAPA in town for the mounts

EDIT: I don't believe its still on West O. The NAPA that I know we have is out on Cornhusker Hwy. Waaaay out away from me (I'm around 56th and Pine Lake) but will be well worth it for those mounts. Hell maybe they'll have my brackets

five7kid

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Give NAPA the GM p/n's, they might get them for you and price match. Can't hurt to try.

ThUnDeR2005

Okey doke, will do. If theres a chance I can get them cheaper than GM hell why not. I appreciate the help

SweetRide45

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The link to NAPA shows the same thing that Autozone and Advance sell. As for the engine side brackets, Scoggin Dickey sellf 'em for like $25/ea. I'm probably gonna go that route.

sdpc2000.com

ThUnDeR2005

I don't see the brackets on that website. Just mounts.

SweetRide45

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http://www.sdpc2000.com/search.asp?s...3125&doquery=1

http://www.sdpc2000.com/search.asp?s...9436&doquery=1

ThUnDeR2005

Well I'll be damned. I'm yet again the noob. Didn't think about putting in a GM part number

Have you ever dealt with these guys before?

SweetRide45

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Yeah, I've dealt w/ 'em...they have good service. Get the stuff pretty quick...few days...I'm probably gonna deal w/ 'em for these brackets, and a few other things while I'm at it too

ThUnDeR2005

Thats cool, makes me feel better about possibly ordering from them.

My only fear is the offchance that it would take a long while since according to GMPartsDirect, those brackets are a "special item" I guess those take longer.

SweetRide45

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Who knows...maybe sdpc has 'em in stock and ready to ship...

ThUnDeR2005

That would be good.

I've already bought my motor mounts from NAPA today. I forgot to ask about the brackets though, I don't know why it slipped my mind.

If I could get the brackets on the 350 to work with the mounts I have, I'd do that. 350 is off a 1980 Camaro Z28, so maybe its already shallow enough to go for it. I might just do that after I give the mounts a lil look over again today.

Lo-tec

4 days, 33 posts, and right back where we started. It's not a question of if it will fit but rather one of will it be right.

Yes, it will probably fit.

No, it will probably not sit right. Good luck!!

ThUnDeR2005

Sorry I'm so stupid I don't remember anyone answering that second part of the question, just the question of where I could get the brackets from.

Which btw I think I might be able to get them from a member here

Lo-tec

Look at the pictures of both brackets in this post, compare them to yours, and you will see the difference.

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=287789

BTW, enjoy your V8 when you "gitter done"

ThUnDeR2005

wow they are pretty dif actually.

Thanks for showing me that post!

And thanks again for the good luck wish. I'm gonna need it but I know I WILL enjoy the V8

82355

Thunder, just use the ones out of the '80 Camaro. I have swapped engines right out of a Chevy pickup into a third gen Camaro several times. No problems. No point in spending money on something you don't need. Why don't you ask these questions to me on SCR?

Martin

SweetRide45

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Just got my brackets from sdpc on Friday...now just need the frame ones, and I'm good to go

Comp788

Now I am going to have to go look at my car and see if I put them on correctly. LOL

See what you learn by reading postings.

LOUD2000T/A

Hey guys. I was directed here by someone at F-body.com about this issue. Im putting a small block in my girlfriends v6 camaro and cannot get the right side mount bracket (14039436) anywhere as it is discontinued by GM and the few dealers I found that had them in stock wouldn't ship them to me. Does anyone know where I might be able to get ahold of one. Thanks.

Lo-tec

Time for a trip to the junkyard

LOUD2000T/A

That's what I figured but I just thought i'd ask if maybe you guys knew something I didn't.

monsooni

You guys can find these brackets in the classic industries catalog or go to there web sight. Been there done that , hope this helps