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Old 11-21-2000, 11:49 AM   #1
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ZZ4 or ZZ5?

I was looking over the ZZ4 and ZZ5. I thought for sure that I wanted the ZZ4 for next year but now I am starting to lean towards the ZZ5. What do u guys think? Here are the specs.

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http://www.paceparts.com/zz4_crate_engine.htm

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http://www.paceparts.com/fast_burn_385_engine.htm

Oh and I will be switching to carb too. I am going to use the Speed Demon 750cfm vacumm secondary carb. The price difference in parts and motors come to around $860.00 more for the ZZ5 since it doesn't come with a distributor like the ZZ4 does and the motor itself is around 500 extra. So what do u think? The ZZ4 has 355hp w/ 406lbs torque and the ZZ5 has 385hp w/ 385lbs torque. You think it is worth 860.00 more for the ZZ5 or should I stick with the ZZ4? Thanks guys.

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Old 11-21-2000, 01:44 PM   #2
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get the zz4 short block and AFR heads and LT4 hot cam, price will be about the same as fast burn engine and horsepower will approach 450

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Old 11-21-2000, 02:49 PM   #3
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Sweet, thanks.

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Old 11-21-2000, 04:49 PM   #4
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I think I'm going to be doing the same, maybe getting the caprice short block (2 bolt main). Anyways, what do you figure the hp would be if I got the AFR 190cc street heads, dual plane intake, 750cfm vacuum sec. holley. Still exploring my options for my swap to a NJ emmisions legal high power engine. Was looking into a 383 but I'm not sure I can really justify needing a stroker. Besides, a 350 in an RS flat hood would make me smile plenty. Add a little NOS just to really make those rice boys bitch about how they couldn't hook up and how they missed a shift etc. By the way, Need for Speed High Stakes has such a cool intro movie. If you haven't seen it try to. They have a rice rocket at a stop light and it trys to race a turbo pors, it's really funny.

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