Swaping LT1 1993 - Page 3 - Engine Swap - Third Generation F-Body Message Boards

TexasLT1 · 06-27-2001, 12:12 PM

ok, I withdraw my statement! sorry about that, just ignorance talking again. wish I would have known that when I did my swap

multi-tasking · 06-27-2001, 05:37 PM

Matt., I will scan and email the pages tonight.

As far as my swap is concerned, we still have not gotten started. We got rained out. We plan on pulling the V6 tomorrow after work. We will see what happens., it rained today. Hopefully, I will be able to work on and clean up the v6 wiring by this weekend. The wiring on my v6 is bad bad bad., I want to use as little of it as possible.

My biggest problem right now is what to do about my A/C. Just not sure how I am going to tackle that one... As I am sure you are aware the lines on the compressor exit in such a manner that they will hit the cross-member(think that right). I purchased a passenger side motor mount that the guys at hp salvage say will work., but now I need to find lines that exit to the left as opposed to down, around and left (GM engineers...gotda love em).

If anyone know how to solve this problem, please let me know...

v/r

m-t

mat89RS · 06-28-2001, 10:15 AM

MULTI, there's a 90 degree adapter for a/c compressor, I don't who makes it , but I saw it in a post.

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89 Camaro RS Stock as a women with white panties
LT1 IS COMMING SOON.

mat89RS · 06-28-2001, 12:18 PM

multi, whould you have wiring diagram for ecm of 89 tbi ???

I can't find the wires for TCC switch and also park neutral switch...

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89 Camaro RS Stock as a women with white panties
LT1 IS COMMING SOON.

TexasLT1 · 06-28-2001, 12:39 PM

actually I made the post about the 90* adapter, you can get it through CarQuest, I havent had a chance to put it on yet but just holding it up to the comp. I know it will fit

multi-tasking · 06-28-2001, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TexasLT1:
actually I made the post about the 90* adapter, you can get it through CarQuest, I havent had a chance to put it on yet but just holding it up to the comp. I know it will fit

TexasLT1, you the man. Thanks, you just save me some cash. I was only to have the one that came with the engine re-done. Do you know the part number?

Thanks

m-t

multi-tasking · 06-28-2001, 09:07 PM

mat89RS, I could not get the service manuel for the 89...they don't make them anymore. All I have is a Chilton's.

TexasLT1 · 06-30-2001, 03:12 PM

sorry, I dont know the part number right now, but as soon as I get home I'll look around and see if I can find it

multi-tasking · 07-01-2001, 08:04 AM

Thanks, TexasLT1...

mat89RS · 07-03-2001, 12:58 PM

texaslt1, question for you... when you did the wiring which way did you plug the cooling fan ???

multi tasking, question for you. do you remember, few post ago I've asked for 4 pin connector with PPL connector for starter solenoid, well I need to know something

Black Connector 4 pin
|A|B|C|D|
A is PPL and is ignition (crank starter)
B is BLK/WHT Ground
C is ORN Power feed from ECM BAT fuse #4
D is Empty

do you think B needs to be grounded or it supply ground for something ...

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89 Camaro RS Stock as a women with white panties
LT1 IS COMMING SOON.

TexasLT1 · 07-05-2001, 04:52 PM

sorry man, I can't find the part number for the adapter, I think it was on the receipt that I probably threw away. actually I just hard wired the fan so that its on all the time, it never gets cold enough here to worry about it not warming up

multi-tasking · 07-05-2001, 05:15 PM

Matt, I sent you the ground distribution graphics for c210 via email.... That circuit provides grounding for several components....

Took the V6 on Sunday. Will start physically working on wiring tomorrow...

TexasLT1 told me about a compressor exit "device" that exits the compressor in a usable fashion...for our applications. Pick one up at CarQuest today for US$23. Looking at it., I have no doubt it will fit and work... We will see...

Hope you are still having fun..

m-t

TexasLT1., Thanks again..

multi-tasking · 07-05-2001, 07:23 PM

Matt., Sorry, I forgot., the part number 202058...

mat89RS · 07-06-2001, 03:46 PM

no a/c for me !!!, I believe that t/tops and air conditionning is kinda ackward. no need for that . FRESH AIR FOR ME GUYS !!don't forget I live in canada, weather never reach higher than 32-35 degree.

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89 Camaro RS Stock as a women with white panties
LT1 IS COMMING SOON.

TexasLT1 · 07-07-2001, 12:21 PM

lucky you, Im dying without a/c, it never gets below 85 during the day down here, and I cant take off the t-tops right now becuase my headliner is messed up, oh well, I still wouldnt give up my car for anything, well...

TexasLT1 · 07-07-2001, 04:33 PM

multi, how are you going to do the wiring for the a/c clutch? Im looking at the wiring diagrams right now for both of them. On the 92, the clutch gets a signal from the control switch and a pressue cycling switch, and also the a/c request signal from the ECM. on the 95, there is also an a/c request signal, but I also see a wire from the ECM that says a/c slutch status that goes to an a/c compressor relay. whats it talking about? I cant find anything else anywhere about a compressor relay, unless maybe its like the high pressure switch on the 92's compressor? I think I can splice the wire from the pressure cycling switch to the ac request signal at the compressor, but I'm not sure how well it will work. if you dont follow me I can understand

multi-tasking · 07-08-2001, 07:53 AM

TexasLT1, I am wiring the under hood portion of the car as it was wired in the 93... I am following the "big book" and making a under hood fuse box... I guess a more honest answer would be re-making because I have a v6 fuse box and I am just adding circuits.

My AC compressor is already wired.... I think it's almost new (the wiring is spliced)... There are two white wire that go to two green wires that feed into a connector. The connector goes to the ECM harness... If you need., I can find the ac wiring diagram in the book and send it to you... Or I have a buddy with a digital camera., we can take a picture and I can send that to you...

If you need some help figuring out 92 to 95 wiring... email me your diagrams... If I can't figure it out I will take it into the office and have the guys take a look... They have not failed me yet!

TexasLT1., do you know anyone that does hydraulic(ms) work at a decent price? How far are you from Houston? The folks here (close to Houston) want a gold mine to make my AC, PS, and fuel lines...

Sorry about the long message., let me know what you need as far as your ac is concerned….

Ron

TexasLT1 · 07-08-2001, 02:21 PM

a photo would be really nice, but after I posted the message my dad and I sat down and looked over all of the diagrams I could find, and what we decided to do for now is simply wire a switch to the a/c compressor relay so that when the switch is thrown, the compressor turns on, and just leave the computer out of it for now. I just want a/c, dont care how it works! later we will come back and wire it right becuase there are a few other things that we could clean up as well.

as far as the hydraulics, cant help you there. I live in Angleton, and my dad works with all that kinda stuff everyday so he knew what kinda fittings to get to adapt everything. for the a/c, we kept the stock fittings, like the big one that screws onto the accumulator, and the two that screw onto the a/c radiator or whatever its called, and then went to NAPA and got some new a/c hoses. we then used screw down hose clamps to put it all together, and put the hoses onto the 90* adapter with hose clamps. it looks like it will all hold together pretty well, we tried to pressurize the system last night but one of the gaskets on the 90* fitting where it mates to the compressor fell off while we tried to fanangle (?) it into place and all of the freon leaked right back out. today we are going to redo it and put the gasket back on with some RTV so that it will stay in place while we put the fitting in place.

dont worry about long messages, I do it to!

multi-tasking · 07-08-2001, 02:49 PM

TexasLT1, I will get my friend to take a few pictures and I will email them to you....He is a great guy!

Matt...How is it going? It so hot down here I can't work on the car without great pain(:-)

TexasLT1 · 07-08-2001, 06:14 PM

just for clarification purposes, what is he taking pictures of? the actual installation or the wiring diagrams?

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-Heddman Headers
-TPIS throttle body airfoil
-MSD 6-AL Ignition
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-'97 Mustang Cobra
-'98 V6 Camaro
-'89 5.0 ****stang
-'97 Sebring
-'96 ****stang Cobra

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-'99 Mustang GT
-'96 Mustang Cobra
-'95 Z28 (good race)
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mat89RS · 07-09-2001, 12:03 PM

it's going no so bad. i'm not sure what I what to do, buy a harness, do mine. I'm waiting for you to finish to tell me if it's works !!!!! mouhahahaha.

anyway , days ares long here, working working working ...I would like some vacation

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89 Camaro RS Stock as a women with white panties
LT1 IS COMMING SOON.

multi-tasking · 07-09-2001, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TexasLT1:
multi, how are you going to do the wiring for the a/c clutch? Im looking at the wiring diagrams right now for both of them. On the 92, the clutch gets a signal from the control switch and a pressue cycling switch, and also the a/c request signal from the ECM. on the 95, there is also an a/c request signal, but I also see a wire from the ECM that says a/c slutch status that goes to an a/c compressor relay. whats it talking about? I cant find anything else anywhere about a compressor relay, unless maybe its like the high pressure switch on the 92's compressor? I think I can splice the wire from the pressure cycling switch to the ac request signal at the compressor, but I'm not sure how well it will work. if you dont follow me I can understand

Let's back up just a bit --- which compressor are you using? Is it the one from the 95? Which computer are you using? Which manuel do you have?

Sorry, but I don't want to say something that is incorrect!

Ron

multi-tasking · 07-09-2001, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by multi-tasking:
Let's back up just a bit --- which compressor are you using? Is it the one from the 95? Which computer are you using? Which manuel do you have?

Sorry, but I don't want to say something that is incorrect!

Ron

I wish I could afford to buy a harness -- I would.... I came close this weekend., but sucked it up and continue working on building mine.

I traded the 2.8L for wheels and a few other thing I think I need. So for the bit of sun light thats left after work I pull wires very slowly... Don't want to pi** off a happy customer.

I think at the rate that we are going and the care we are taking., between TexasLT1, you and myself we may be able to find something to write about and get a tech article or two... What do you guys think?

v/r

Ron

mat89RS · 07-10-2001, 09:49 AM

Well so far I'm putting together a article for swaping lt1...I tought the same thing about 1 month ago, we could do something really great. GUYS, I'm thinking about starting a new post "SWAPING 93 LT1 "2", the first one is becoming really big and it takes forever to load with a 56K !!!

anyway tell me what you guys think.

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LT1 IS COMMING SOON.

UnderDogRS · 07-10-2001, 11:44 AM

im doing the lt1 swap w/ a 94 w/ trans and everything. if you guys do write something.
maybe i could help.

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TexasLT1 · 07-10-2001, 09:33 PM

I think we have all had the same thought of writing our own article, and I think with all of us working together, it would be one hell of a guide. sorry about not telling you what Im using, I didnt even think about that, Im using the 95 compressor and harness, Im using a Chiltons manual for both cars, and Im using just about every wiring diagram (cant find some of them) out of the GM shop manual. when we did the swap I had all of the diagrams together in one spot but over time they have become separated so I cant seem to find the ones I need. Im still looking though and if I can find them my troubles will be solved. if not, we'll do it my way!

mat89RS · 07-13-2001, 12:55 PM

I decided that if i'm gonna do the swap i'll do it in 3 days, I going with painless wiring guys...money is just paper afterall (not really!!!) but i'll keep the vats, I found a dude who will sell me the harness for 250$us

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89 Camaro RS Stock as a women with white panties
LT1 IS COMMING SOON.

multi-tasking · 07-15-2001, 10:01 PM

Sorry guys., I have been way out of the loop. This swap is starting to kick! I only make a small number of errors., but they were critical. All the stuff I have been reading centered on swapping a 305. I was under the impression that I needed to buy a single motor mount for the passenger side of the vehicle. Which I did! The motor mount on the right side is also incorrect…. We didn't even try it…. We did other little things…. TexasLT1 if you know the correct mounts I need please hollow!

TexasLT1., Concerning the compressor…. Still not sure where and if I can help…. What I can do if you need is get some very fine engineers to help…if you want that….

Mat89RS., I almost did the same thing (may still do it) ….This wiring is such a pain….But I think I will continue until I just can't do more…. Money is not just paper! Fellow down the street has a THANG. 502 HP. 120 MPH @10.8….. It's a 94 and he has been work on it since it was new.

I have some Hedman Headers., part number 68481. I hope they fit. With my luck., they won't.

Most important….I am all in for documenting as much of this work as we can. I would not wish the pain I experienced today on anyone…… UnderDogRS….Welcome to the TEAM…….We are going to do it like English 101…..My 3 Y/O will be able to read this stuff and understand!……….

Hang folks…enjoy (most importantly---if you aren't having fun--why do it?)

Sorry it took so long to let you guys know my status….

Ron

*****sorry about the long post...

TexasLT1 · 07-16-2001, 12:37 PM

hey multi, dont worry about my a/c, I think we got it covered now, thanks anyway. as far as the mount, use the ones from the original motor. the drivers side bolts right up, you just have to move it to the rear holes. the passenger side, to keep the new a/c compr. you have to basically cut off the the whole front side of the mount, I'll try and get you a picture but no promises, if I cant, I might be able to get a drawing or something. let me know what you need and we'll see how it works. trying to describe it is just a little to tricky

mat89RS · 07-17-2001, 04:27 PM

HEY GUYS,I'm worried about blowing my rear-end into tiny tiny little pieces. lt1 is too strong for my rear-end , I got 2.73 gears with 265s60r15 tires into a non-posi lock-up rear-end.

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89 Camaro RS Stock as a women with white panties
LT1 IS COMMING SOON.