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01-05-2006, 08:57 AM
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Car: 84 Z28 Convertible 2 Seater Engine: SBC 408 Transmission: Pro-built Automatics Street/Strip 7 | Hookers 2210 Modification Complete
We all know the problem with the long tubes headers and that stubborn #7 plug, well instead of me bringing the ball pin hammer to it I decided to look into a long term solution for permanent fix. What I did was cut that dreadful #7 tube off and replace it with a bigger 2 1/2 radius J-bend tube. The tube was tig welded for the nice bead. Now I can fit my regular spark plug and Taylor 90* boots without a problem.
Here is a few before and after:
1st picture shows where the plug is hitting the tube.
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01-05-2006, 08:59 AM
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Car: 84 Z28 Convertible 2 Seater Engine: SBC 408 Transmission: Pro-built Automatics Street/Strip 7 | 2nd picture | |
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01-05-2006, 09:01 AM
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Car: 84 Z28 Convertible 2 Seater Engine: SBC 408 Transmission: Pro-built Automatics Street/Strip 7 | 1. Modification: | |
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01-05-2006, 09:02 AM
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Car: 84 Z28 Convertible 2 Seater Engine: SBC 408 Transmission: Pro-built Automatics Street/Strip 7 | Trial fit after tac weld. | |
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01-05-2006, 09:03 AM
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Car: 84 Z28 Convertible 2 Seater Engine: SBC 408 Transmission: Pro-built Automatics Street/Strip 7 | finish product: | |
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Car: 91 Camaro Vert Engine: 02 LS1, HX40 Transmission: 2002 LS1 M6 | nicely done. elegant solution to a annoying problem.....
are you going to have thoes headers ceramic coated? | |
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01-05-2006, 11:10 AM
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Car: 84 Z28 Convertible 2 Seater Engine: SBC 408 Transmission: Pro-built Automatics Street/Strip 7 | Quote: Originally posted by MrDude_1
nicely done. elegant solution to a annoying problem.....
are you going to have thoes headers ceramic coated? | Yes, they will be coated, but i'm going to wait until I get back from Korea (Mar 2007), just don't want them to be freshly coated and sitting collecting oxidation while i'm gone. I will be getting the custom mandrel 3" Y-Pipe made within the next week and I will post pictures once that done.. Then I will send it all out to HPC Coating and have everything ceramic coated... | |
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01-05-2006, 02:00 PM
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01-05-2006, 06:55 PM
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Car: 82 Berlinetta(2)/57 Bel Air Engine: 86 LG4-> ZZ3(LS1)/mild 396 Transmission: TH700(T56)/TH400 Axle/Gears: 3.23(4.10)/3.73 | Quote: Originally posted by DTL504
Yes, they will be coated, but i'm going to wait until I get back from Korea (Mar 2007), just don't want them to be freshly coated and sitting collecting oxidation while i'm gone. | I would think the oxidation would occur while they're sitting around waiting to be coated. | 
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01-05-2006, 08:44 PM
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Car: 84 Z28 Convertible 2 Seater Engine: SBC 408 Transmission: Pro-built Automatics Street/Strip 7 | Quote: Originally posted by five7kid
I would think the oxidation would occur while they're sitting around waiting to be coated. | They have the black paint on them now except for where the tube was modified. Are you thinking it would be best to have them coated before I leave and let the coated headers sit on the car for a year? The car is going in storage in N. Carolina where temperature average between the low 25-35 winter & 85-95 summer. | |
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01-06-2006, 12:12 AM
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Car: 88 iroc-z/28 Engine: 6.0L Transmission: th350 Axle/Gears: 4.33 | so strange i hear all the problems with the 2210's.
i had a set when i had the small block in my car, i purchased them back in 2000, used, from a friend who bought them new in 98-99.
mine fit perfect, without any holdups or wire issues. | |
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01-06-2006, 12:13 AM
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Car: '72 Chevy Nova Engine: Solid lifter 355 SBC revvin' to 7k Transmission: B&M Stage 2 TH350 Axle/Gears: 8.5" 10-bolt - 3.73 mini spool | Very nice job | |
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01-06-2006, 12:43 AM
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Car: 84 Z28 Convertible 2 Seater Engine: SBC 408 Transmission: Pro-built Automatics Street/Strip 7 | Quote: Originally posted by stage20
so strange i hear all the problems with the 2210's.
i had a set when i had the small block in my car, i purchased them back in 2000, used, from a friend who bought them new in 98-99.
mine fit perfect, without any holdups or wire issues. | The reason is people are using different types of heads, it's NOT the headers but how the heads were designed and machined. If everybody ran the same type of heads that has no clearance problem the subject would not be an issue. But, we all have different types of heads, so that why you see people with the problems of hookers 2210. In reality it's not the headers, but the heads. Hope that clear it up for you and the "So Strange" feeling is resolved.  
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01-06-2006, 12:49 AM
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Car: '92 Toyota Pickup Engine: 22R-E Transmission: 5sp Manual Axle/Gears: 4:?? | Don't forget the varying condition of different cars' motor mounts. | |
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01-06-2006, 08:57 AM
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Car: 88 iroc-z/28 Engine: 6.0L Transmission: th350 Axle/Gears: 4.33 | Quote: Originally posted by superGMman
Don't forget the varying condition of different cars' motor mounts. | yes.
the motor mounts are a huge issue with these headers.
what type of head do you run that causes so much trouble?
ive run 2 different type of stock castings on them, one set of dart pro ones, the guy i got them from ran a world cast iron head, and the guy i sold them to not too long ago runs a stock 305 head(lol) on them and didnt have problems.
trying to see which head the problem lies. not doubting, i just like being in the know.
thanks
great work on the tube! | |
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01-06-2006, 09:27 AM
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Car: 84 Z28 Convertible 2 Seater Engine: SBC 408 Transmission: Pro-built Automatics Street/Strip 7 | Quote: Originally posted by stage20
yes.
the motor mounts are a huge issue with these headers.
what type of head do you run that causes so much trouble?
ive run 2 different type of stock castings on them, one set of dart pro ones, the guy i got them from ran a world cast iron head, and the guy i sold them to not too long ago runs a stock 305 head(lol) on them and didnt have problems.
trying to see which head the problem lies. not doubting, i just like being in the know.
thanks
great work on the tube! | Airflow Research (AFR-195) Straight plugs...
If Hooker was to make headers for every Camaro chasiss and head combo they would probably file bankrupt. The headers was made by hooker to clear the stock casting heads for the Camaro and Dart probably follow the same design as the stock GM, however AFR which I run is a bit different... | |
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01-07-2006, 05:52 AM
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Car: '82 Z28 Engine: 350 Transmission: TH400 4,000 stall Axle/Gears: Currie 9", 4.56 gears | Hummm... may have to attempt this now that I've seen it done. Nice work btw, running the same AFR 195 heads, straight plug and also energy suspension poly motor mounts. Both headers slip in and out from the bottom with ease.
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01-07-2006, 06:02 PM
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Car: 89 jaguar xjs convertable Engine: 89 L98 5.7 TPI Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: 3.23 dana 44 | Yes, I would, with out a doubt, coat them now! Your header coating is ceramic and since (you should ask for!) they are coated inside and out, there won't be any oxidation. The paint, on the other hand, is only on the outside, and the oxidation will start on the inside while your gone. If they have to dip the headers before they coat them for you, due to the inside surface rust , they will ding you an extra $100.00! Coat them now! Nice work on the tube. | |
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01-08-2006, 02:50 PM
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Car: 84 Z28 Convertible 2 Seater Engine: SBC 408 Transmission: Pro-built Automatics Street/Strip 7 | I have to get the custom mandrel bend Y-Pipe made this week, he said no more the $300.00. Plus I just bought the Katzkin seat cover that set me back $850.00, but that is in the plan to have the whole system coated( headers, Y-pipe, and Hooker Catback System before I go do this year in the Republic of Korea.
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02-01-2006, 08:09 PM
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02-05-2006, 11:57 AM
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Car: 1982 Z28 Engine: 355 Transmission: T56 Axle/Gears: 12 Bolt | Quote: Originally posted by DTL504
1. Modification: | Very Nice Job!
I have a few simple questions for you?
First,how did you get the pipe squared off to fit into the Hooker flange like in this pic?Just some gentle messaging with a bench vise till it fit?
Second,aside from the #7 tube,did any other tubes need any work to clear any other straight plugs on the AFR 195's?
I ask because I am picking up a set of 2210 in a few weeks and plan to modify them in much the same way for the #7 plug, but am also looking for any other possible areas that may need to be modified as I also run the straight plug AFR 195's. | |
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02-06-2006, 11:27 PM
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Car: 84 Z28 Convertible 2 Seater Engine: SBC 408 Transmission: Pro-built Automatics Street/Strip 7 | Quote: Originally posted by onebad82z
Very Nice Job!
I have a few simple questions for you?
First,how did you get the pipe squared off to fit into the Hooker flange like in this pic?Just some gentle messaging with a bench vise till it fit?
Second,aside from the #7 tube,did any other tubes need any work to clear any other straight plugs on the AFR 195's?
I ask because I am picking up a set of 2210 in a few weeks and plan to modify them in much the same way for the #7 plug, but am also looking for any other possible areas that may need to be modified as I also run the straight plug AFR 195's. | Not sure if I clearly understand your question but I used a 1 3/4 tube with a 2 1/2" radius that allowed it to clear the spark plug. After Tig welding the pipe we used a benh grinder to smooth the tube. all other plugs fit without a problem.
hope this help. | |
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02-07-2006, 10:12 AM
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Car: 1982 Z28 Engine: 355 Transmission: T56 Axle/Gears: 12 Bolt | Sorry to confuse.
That answers my second question.
To clarify the first question,How did you make the pipe square off to fit in the Hooker flange like you did in this pic? | |
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02-07-2006, 08:29 PM
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Car: 84 Z28 Convertible 2 Seater Engine: SBC 408 Transmission: Pro-built Automatics Street/Strip 7 | Quote: Originally posted by onebad82z
Sorry to confuse.
That answers my second question.
To clarify the first question,How did you make the pipe square off to fit in the Hooker flange like you did in this pic? | This was tig welded and than grinded down with a bench grinder. | |
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10-16-2006, 04:29 AM
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Car: 87TA 87Formula 97TA 92K1500Blazer | Huh… nice… but unless I’m mistaken in the direction that it’s moving, it looks a lot like you could just cut the tube free of the flange, or near the flange, add a little wedge shaped piece to space it off and then tweak the existing tube a little and weld it back up | |
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10-16-2006, 07:24 AM
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Car: 84 Z28 Convertible 2 Seater Engine: SBC 408 Transmission: Pro-built Automatics Street/Strip 7 | What is your definition of "tweaking"?
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10-16-2006, 12:20 PM
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