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Started the Install around 11. several mistakes and problems right way
1. Never think your older brother knows what he is doing, especially when drinking and helping install my headers at the same time.
2. Gravel sucks big wang to work in DUH
3. eat breakfast and or lunch before working
4. too much dr. pepper WILL make you sick
5. drinking + my older brother and his friend + anything that requres brain power = disaster/hilarious times
So turns out that the two bolt holes on cylinder 8 were spaced off by like 1/8th of an inch, we were pissed, so we had to redrill the holes and make them a bit wider, it was a pain. Many many trial and errors. Exhaust wrap is EXPENSIVE! so are the ties that go with it. Make sure you don't drop the starter on your noggin lol
Driver side header went in piece of cake and all lined up right. Passenger side was cursed. Had to put it in from the bottom, cut the flange between cylinder 8 and 6, drill the bolt holes, bend tranny fluid lines, etc.
minor delays include:
No jack stands
Older brother thought the sawzall needed an allen wrench to change the blade, it fell apart into half a dozen different pieces
Girlfriend calling upset because my phone was off
My eyeball tried to eat a clog of grease while under the car
Its in finally, ac bracket has been modified, starter wrapped in heat sheild but not installed, dip stick back in, 3in to 2.5 reducers on...
no exhaust, thats for tomorrow haha
Was bored and just thought i'd share, have some pictures if you'd like to see them let me know and i'll post up. comments of any kind are welcome
forgive the novel
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^ that can be argued either way, it seems that more often than not, wrap DOES cause problems, but there have also been PLENTY of cases when wrap woks jsut fine, and the headers last for a LONG time. i think it looks kinda cool in the correct application.
good call on the starter heat wrap, i forgot and my starter FRIED. i find it odd that you passenger header was the tough one, any story (including mine) about the heddman LT install says the pass side was easy, and the drivers side gave them headaches
Before pics, ignore the dirty engine compartment, we are ganna clean it up , if you didn't notice, the manifolds are already off but still connected to the exhaust.
After pics, you can tell the passenger side was harder by the number of scuff marks compared to the driver side. actually when the picture was taken of the driver side the header wasn't completely installed, you can see that its missing some bolts and the second bolt from the front isn't all the way in lol
Just thought i'd throw this pic in there, its of my old exhaust manifolds. The guy who dropped my motor in used a wrong exhaust manifold. the manifold on the bottom has the number 17338, the top is 17238. don't know which is right or which is wrong but it caused tons of problems, 17338 needed a spacer between it and the head, so im ganna assume it was the wrong kind.
What did you have to do to the ac bracket? Could you take pictures? I just got my Hedman LT's in for my 84 z28 today. I read in the description that you have to modify the ac bracket and you said with your shorties the modification was required also. So I was just wondering what the process was.
What did you have to do to the ac bracket? Could you take pictures? I just got my Hedman LT's in for my 84 z28 today. I read in the description that you have to modify the ac bracket and you said with your shorties the modification was required also. So I was just wondering what the process was.
My buddy has the same setup and just installed his Hooker 2055's and had to modify his AC Bracket, but I don't remember which part he had to modify (grind away???)
What did you have to do to the ac bracket? Could you take pictures? I just got my Hedman LT's in for my 84 z28 today. I read in the description that you have to modify the ac bracket and you said with your shorties the modification was required also. So I was just wondering what the process was.
I don't have the shorties i have the long tubes like what you have. There should have been a paper that came with the headers that showed where to cut the flange on the ac bracket. we just cut it with a torch. but the rest of the process was a little complicated. we used a stud from my old manifold to rig it up, i'll post pictures tomorrow afternoon and detailed instructions. I don't have the Camaro here with me.
When i put my longtubes on the first time...it was the driverside that was the biggest pain. The passengerside just droped right in after i removed the starter. Now whenever i put the longtubes in i unbolt the motormounts and raise up the engine with a hoist and drop them in place or set them in the engine bay and then drop the motor in between them (this takes a few ppl or tieing them in right spot)
Considered it but its a good thing i didn't, they got pretty scruffed up, i just left the paint on and burnt it off. smelly and kinda annoying but whatever. not 10 minutes after i started it up i turned it off to find a puddle of tranny fluid underneath the car. i cracked a tranny line, so hopefully this week end i'm ganna get it on a lift at my brothers work and drop the tranny and fix that, grrr it made me soo mad.
Yeah ive painted mine twice and i even baked them and the paint still burns off. Mine look like crap but are holding up i may get some coated ones someday. I feel you on leaking tranny lines ive got a pretty good mystery leak on mine right now. A few drops maybe while idle but at wot it leaks out all over the header and leaves clouds behine me. I plan to fix that next week when my new stall gets here!
Yeah ive painted mine twice and i even baked them and the paint still burns off. Mine look like crap but are holding up i may get some coated ones someday. I feel you on leaking tranny lines ive got a pretty good mystery leak on mine right now. A few drops maybe while idle but at wot it leaks out all over the header and leaves clouds behine me. I plan to fix that next week when my new stall gets here!
Ya, mine had been leaking before, i had to add a pint every 3 days or so, it was horrible, then when we were putting the headers in a friend of mine really yanked on the lines and they cracked near the entry nut. I wish i had a stall converter laying around lol, this would have been a great time to put it in.
Yeah i really need to get some metal lines bent ive only got partal metal lines with rubber hose in some spots. I ran my long tubes with true duals for awhile but it was just too loud for me lol.
Haha! i have that too! We could unbolt the lines on my old bad tranny so we had to cut them, so we just connected the two lines with high temperature hose, some clamps, and silicone, lol, it worked for like 5 months or so surprisingly. I ship out this july 15th so i think i can handle my car being loud till then, just as long as it doesn't break down before then, once i get back i'm getting a newer car (4th gen T/A or a Terminator idk lol)
Haha, i'm considering a 2010 Camaro SS. 35K for 12.9 stock is nice, exhaust, intake, tune would be 12.5 easy, full bolt ons in the 11's. 10 seconds with cam and heads, maybe stroked, plus they are sexy as hell. I'd wait till i got out of AIT and drop a 15k down payment on it so i have small payments and room for mods.
I've heard conflicting stories about painting headers. I just painted mine with the vht stuff and baked them so I'll see what happens. If it burns off whatever, I can't afford ceramic coating.
I tried to install my Hedman lt's on my 84z today. Mine has the t-5...talk about a bitch. Passenger side was a breeze. Drivers side...not so much. Did you have problems with the drivers side hitting the K member? Seems like I'm going to have to grind my k member to get mine to line up right.
I tried to install my Hedman lt's on my 84z today. Mine has the t-5...talk about a bitch. Passenger side was a breeze. Drivers side...not so much. Did you have problems with the drivers side hitting the K member? Seems like I'm going to have to grind my k member to get mine to line up right.
I'm getting the Hedman LTs for my 89. I have been doin alot or research about them, and some people have had to grind at the K-member to get the headers to fit. Others just replaced the motor mounts and then had enough clearance. That only worked cause they had original motor mounts that were sagging.
ive put my hedman longtubes in two diffrent thirdgens and ran original motor mounts and did no cutting or modding. i do have some dents and digs in the primarys from removing and installing so much.
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ive put my hedman longtubes in two diffrent thirdgens and ran original motor mounts and did no cutting or modding. i do have some dents and digs in the primarys from removing and installing so much.
not trying to start an arguement here. but everyone's car is going to be different. thats they joys of modding... lol... was just passing on info that i found from other people.
how low do the hedman lts really sit under the car? i have heard a few different things, but mainly heard that they sit about where the bottom of the subframe rails are.
not trying to start an arguement here. but everyone's car is going to be different. thats they joys of modding... lol... was just passing on info that i found from other people.
how low do the hedman lts really sit under the car? i have heard a few different things, but mainly heard that they sit about where the bottom of the subframe rails are.
Yeah i agree lol i read a lot before i got mine and heard that some fit right in and some were a pain! They hang about as low as the oil pan bad thing is then the collectors are pointing right at the transmission crossmember
Yeah i agree lol i read a lot before i got mine and heard that some fit right in and some were a pain! They hang about as low as the oil pan bad thing is then the collectors are pointing right at the transmission crossmember
sounds good, i'm planning on a dual install, just going to use some curves from autozone to get around the crossmember and bring the pipes closer together, then an H right after that, bailing out just before the rear axle.
They do point right at the transmission crossmember =( I ended up having my collectors extended 4 inches and bent downward 1 inch. They will clear the cross member fine now. Also got it away from my fuel lines ::wipes sweat off forehead:: I had to dent a primary tube to get the drivers side to go around the k-member. Nothing major tho. It was fun denting the collector to fit around the slave cylinder too.... I probably took the drivers side out at least 10 times before I got it to clear everything. She's done now tho. I just have to figure out how I want to run my exhaust now.
i have a question. is there suppose to be a little tiny gap between the headers and the head? when i was installing the driver side, it was hitting the k member so i grinded some off then put the heders back in but there was a little gap but i said hey maybe if i put the gaket in so i put it in there but still a tiny gap. then i tighten up all the bolts as tight as i could and still a real tiny gap. i was wondering if thats normal. first time putting in heraders so dont really know if thats good or not. thanks.
What headers are you using? Its sounds like the first time you installed them you didn't use gaskets? Gaskets are not required on manifolds but mandatory on headers. If there is a gap between the head mating surface and header it will leak.
I had to cut part of the A-Arm perch... nothing important, just a little tab hanging off of it.
Other than that... really I dont think I had any problems. I think maybe had to dent one of the primaries somewhere, but it was a while back and I couldn't remember.
Here's where they hang:
They're pretty much dead even with the subframe rails. And for me the driver's side is easy as cake. The passenger side is a problem because the starter is kinda in the way... but I dont have a full-size starter (it's still an old style one, it's just not one of those uber huge ones) so it will fit... but not easily. Plus I have all teh A/C garbage in the way.
here's the thing, if you have an auto then heddmans aren't too bad. however, if you have a stick, the collector on the drivers side will hit the slave cylinder. i had to get mine modified to drop the collector done a couple inches and then it cleared. you can check pics in my sig thread.
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So im having a hard time getting my hedmans long tubes to fit. On the drivers side it runs into the crossmember big time on one of the primaries and on the passenger its smacking the summit high torque starter I have. Is all this normal and should I just start pounding the headers in? or should I send them back
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, if you didn't notice, the manifolds are already off but still connected to the exhaust. 
