tony_cogliandro

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THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDED WAY TO CHANGE OUT A FUEL PUMP! THE PROPER WAY IS TO SPEND AT LEAST 4 HOURS AND DROP THE TANK!
THIS USUALLY CONSISTS OF DRAINING YOUR GAS TANK. GET EVERYTHING OUT - NOTHING WORSE THAN BEING UNDER THE CAR WITH A GAS TANK THAT SLOPS LIQUID AROUND AND IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DROP.
RAISING THE CAR AT LEAST 15 INCHES OFF THE CROUND. DONT FORGET JACK STANDS. SOME WILL WANT TO DROP THE REAR END TOO. BUT IF THAT HAPPENS YOU CANT USE THE REAR END AS A JACK POINT.
THEN RE-MOVE THE EXHAUST.
DID I FORGET TO SAY - WAIT FOR THE ENTIRE CAR AND EXHAUSTS TO BE COLD TO THE TOUCH.
AFTER YOU DROP THE REAR END YOU CAN THEN DROP THE TANK. NOW YOU CAN WORK ON IT ON THE GROUND OR GO THROUGH THE EXTRA WORK OF DISENGAGING IT FROM THE CAR AND PUTTING IT ON A BENCH. THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO CLEAN IT OUT TOO.
THEN ONCE YOU GET ALL THIS DONE YOU GET TO SLIDE UNDER THE CAR AND DO IT ALL IN REVERSE. DONT FORGET ANYTHING OR YOU HAVE TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN. EXTRA BOLTS OR NUTS IS NOT A GOOD THING.
THEN PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND HOPE IT WORKS.
SHOULD ONLY TAKE YOU 6 TO 8 HOURS IF YOU ARE NOT LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE A HOIST, AND ALL LAYING ON YOUR BACK WITH 3,000 POUNDS 15 INCHES OVER YOUR HEAD.


THIS IS JUST HOW I WANTED TO DO IT BECAUSE IM THE LAZY TYPE AND WANTED A FAST WAY TO DO IT AND I HAVE FAR TOO MUCH TIME ON MY HANDS AND I WANTED TO WASTE MY TIME FABRICATING THIS AND SEE HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE ME TO DO IT. IT TOOK LESS TIME TO DO THAN IT DOES TO ACTUALLY DROP THE TANK. AND IF I NEED TO REPLACE THE FUEL PUMP IT WILL TAKE 10 MINUTES TO MOVE THE COVER AND UNSCREW THE TOP PLATE.


CALL IT PLAYING WITH MY TOY.


I DONT RECOMMEND DOING IT AND LOTS OF MY FRIENDS WHO ARE SMARTER THAN I AM ADVISED ME NOT TO, AND A LOT SAID GO AHEAD, ALL OF THEM SAID MAKE A DIARY OF IT. i did it anyway but did make a diary.



I have not seen a site on this lately so I thought I would make a set of instructions for this as I did it, including pictures.

I do most of my work alone and need to keep it simple. The condo I live in dopes not allow us to do major work on cars, so only little things. They would go nuts if I dropped the tank and played around with a fuel pump, and I would get very dirty. I don’t like being very dirty.

I can only put 3 pictures at a time in this so it will just show 3 pictures at a time, but I will put them in the same order I talk about them.

Cutting a hole in your car is a big deal and if you have decided to do it, you have to do it right.

Cardboard is great, you can make models of what you are going to do.

Get a non metallic cutting tool – I used a 3 inch non metallic cutting wheel. It can’t go too far into the body.

I drilled a hole in the area I wanted to cut just to make sure I knew exactly how far to the tank. BE SURE TO CUT AROUND THE FUEL PUMP AND THE TUBES. If you do this, use a very thin drill and VERY SHORT. If you don’t have a good short drill, use a one inch piece of wood between the drill and the metal. It will keep the drill out of the tank - that would be a bad thing.

Here is a picture showing where the hole was drilled.

I cut the 1/8th inch aluminum to size following the cardboard form I made. I put the measurements on it for you to see the actual size.

Next I put the aluminum on the car to show where it was to be put. There are two different pictures from bottom and side.

Then I used a scratch all to show the outline of the aluminum lid. You can see the hole I drilled to find the depth to the tank.

Then make lines one inch from the scratch marks of the lid. IT IS NOT A GOOD THING TO CUT THE HOLE THE SAME SIZE AS THE LID! IT HAS TO BE SMALLER. Measure in one inch and use a black marker and write CUT INSIDE so you don’t get distracted and cut in the wrong place. You can always make the hole larger, but you can’t make it smaller.

Start cutting from the rear driver’s side, you are furthest away from anything you can damage there. Your wheel is only 1 ½ inches from the center and any drill will keep you from getting to far in when you do the cutting.

I also gave you a picture of my drill with the cutter so you can get an idea about depth.

A NOTE ABOUT CUTTING. TAKE YOUR TIME. KEEP IT COOL. TOUCH IT ALL THE TIME AND IF YOU FEEL ANYTHING LIKE HEAT USE A DAMP CLOTH TO MAKE IT COOL AGAIN. THE DAMP CLOTH WILL ALSO PICK UP ALL THE DUST FROM CUTTING. HEAT IS VERY BAD – YOU ARE OVER A GAS TANK.

I pulled up part of the panel I was cutting out. DON’T CUT ALL CORNERS AND LEAVE SOME PARTS CONNECTED AND CUT THEM AS NEEDED TO TAKE THEM OFF. This gives you a stable platform until you are ready to cut it all loose.

Well that is what it looks like when everything is off, but you are not close to finished,

Now using a file – more than one – and get rid of everything sharp. Later when you pull the pump you don’t want to cut your hands into bloody stumps. File and smooth until you can run your hand over every piece and not feel any sharp edges. Don’t forget to file the aluminum edges as well as the holes.

I also included a picture showing how close the tubes and fuel pump are to the top, SO BE SURE TO CUT AROUND THEM. The top is the hardest part – VERY CAREFUL – don’t cut the lines. VERY BAD.

The final part is very important. You need a lot of holes – I used 14. I drilled all 4 corners and 10 around the sides. DON’T MAKE THEM EQUAL TO THE OTHER SIDE. Be sure to mark one inch from the sides so you have a place to drill. Stager the hoes a little and no straight lines for the drilled holes. Drill the small pilot hole someplace not over the gas tank in the aluminum. Very small holes. Then take the aluminum over to the car, put it inside of the scratch marks. Use a drill that will not go more than ¼ inch into the metal of the car. Use a piece of wood to add distance. The wood goes on top of the aluminum. Drill the first hole, use a nail WITH A HEAD – put it in the hole – drill another one on the other side – same thing with the nail. Drill all the holes then take the aluminum off and drill your pilot holes wider. If you don’t drill the pilot holes then and drill out the aluminum holes then do the small pilot holes – you are going to be off.
so get yourself t-nuts that have a slide on then because that side that prevents them from spinning. there is a picture. 1/4 20 with 1/2 inch bolts.
also went with a full rubber gasket.
now its good a strong.
took some pics of the new setup.
you might notice there is no interior - different story but decided grey was old and dull so i took it all out and used krylon fusion paint and went from grey to black. will show later.
I have given you a picture of the project almost complete – I will paint the area blue.

REMEMBER YOU NEED TO MAKE IT AIR AND LIQUID TIGHT! A fume inside of the car from that hole – such as carbon monoxide is very bad for you. And gas fumes or liquid gas from a ruptured tank is not any better. So make it air and liquid tight.

Now you can change out that fuel pump when ever you want to, you won’t get dirty, you won’t cut your hands on the edges, and when you are done you just bolt it down and you are good to go. And if you paint it to match the color of the car, it will look OEM.
It will take less than 10 minutes to remove the lid and 10 minutes to put it down.

tony_cogliandro

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more pics

tony_cogliandro

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you need the next 3 pictures.

tony_cogliandro

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there are even more - three more

Stephen

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Nice write up, but I coulda saved you some time. Here's a TTA one.....

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/tur...utes-less.html

Not to mention there are a couple of decent threads here on TGO, like yours.

tony_cogliandro

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here is 13-15

tony_cogliandro

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this is how i finally fixed the tee-nut problem and how to lock them in.
ok net went down - so here is what i did. i got rid of the silver t-nut with the flat part under the sheet metal and the long piece going up into the lid.
now i use the black piece, with the long piece under the sheet metal and the flat piece over the sheet metal. on top of that will go the rubber gasket and then the lid.

sorry but it took 47 on and off the see a problem and i was not using power tools.

tony

tony_cogliandro

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that post is darn nice. i will keep it for future reference - should i lose my notes from this one and lose the pictures i will look there too.
the only problem i see is that for really dumb people like me it does not go into enough detail as to how to get those beautiful results. it lacks measurements, does not show how far down the tank and pump are from the removed lid. all those things that i wanted to know and thought others would too.

while i did not see the post you mentioned i saw a good picture with measurements taken by one of our members who is smarter that i am. i will find his name and post it again. that was my starting point.

as i said before, i hope this helps someone.

I saw the pic posted by AmorgetRS - a moderator on this board - and that was my starting point. the pic is here https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/fabr...mp-access.html.

tony_cogliandro

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ok so this is how it is supposed to look without a gasket. i will have to paint this again - i have taken it on and off so many times i need to paint it again. which i have now sanded and done again. but you will not get a picture of it again.

tony_cogliandro

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ok here is one last comment.
would i do it again?
knowing what i know - yes i would.
doing it from scratch - not knowing what i know - hell no i would not do it again.
looks good. works good. on balance will it make doing fuel pumps easire - you bet!
i wish i knew what i know now when i first started, rather than reinventing the wheel.
i wish i had asked my son - he had the tools to make my life a lot easire. little dude - ok he is almost 42 - had tools for adding 1/4 20 threaded rivits from the get go.
i really should ask him more questions. he is a lot smarter than i am.
did i forget to mention he used to build nascars and spent years as a nascar safety official.

jensen73110

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Good write up, great pics. I'll take another look at this when I do mine in the next year.

arrowcamaro

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Hack. Job.

How about doing a write up on the correct way and posting an article on that. Get rid of this garbage while your at it.

Dalek Sec

I am SO doing this!!!

Thank you for posting the info!

tony_cogliandro

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i will gladly take any suggestions you have - im not even close to perfect. this happens to work for me - and i changed it over and over until it did work for me. im just sharing.
so if you have a better way - or can point to something specific then please tell me - i am always interrested in learning.
and if you are talking about the bolts not being in straight lines and not mirror from one side to the other - that was planned. it changes the stress points during that unhappy event when someone decides he loves my car so much he wants to french kiss its butt.
but i am being honest - tell me what is wrong - i have not covered the back yet because i did not paint it blue yet. used black for contrast. will also repaint the hole area - and yes the cuts are straight - used a t square to measure the lid and the cut hole.
but again - please give me and everyone else the benefit of your knowledge. i never turn down help.
and thank you for sharing.
tony

arrowcamaro

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You're effing with me, right?

jg04222

What, in your professional opinion, makes this a hack job? Why don't you provide us with pictures of your fuel pump access door, so everyone that needs to do this in the future can reference your work. I have seen a lot of these done on here, and this is better than most.

The best one I've ever seen used a flush mounted aluminum (might have been stainless, I can't remember) access port. I don't remember who did it (if it was you, then props because it looked good), but i'm sure it wasn't cheap.

It's no mystery that most 3rd gen owners don't have boat load of cash to dump into their cars. Most of us use the tools and materials that we have on hand to get the job done, and most of the time it leads to function over form. The point I'm getting at here is that we are here to help one another out; constructive criticism should always be welcomed, but bashing someone for trying to fix a problem they have is just bullsh*t.

arrowcamaro

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If you dont think cutting a hole in the body of your car is a hack job, I dont know what to tell you. If the car was designed to have the job done this manner, there would have been an access hole from the factory.

Quit being lazy, drop the exhaust, lower the rear and drop the tank. Its a 4 hour job working alone.

tony_cogliandro

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ok you dont like the concept. fair enough.
but if we all were driving stock cars there would not be so many "how to" postings. different engines, trans, sfc's, cams, heads, all types of modifications. lowering, different interiors, different exhausts.
mine is a toy car for me, and i dont want to spend 4 hours changing out fuel pumps - i want to be able to try different pumps, and i like 15 minutes vs 4 hours.
you do have a nice looking car, would like to see more pics of it. are those exhausts stock?

sailtexas186548

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man people need to stop spreading this crap. do you cut your dash pad to put in new speakers? do you cut your valve covers to adjust valves? cut the air snorkel (tpi) to change the air filter? NO, so why would you cut your floor pan to change your fuel pump? l've heard all the excuses for this one so dont give me yours. and IF you need a door for racing purposes or frequent access, do it right and get a DOOR, not some screwed on sheet metal. it cant be faster to cut the floor, debur everything, cut lines, re attach lines, cut a cover plate, seal/screw it on, than it is for 7 bolts out, drop tank, change pump, replace tank, 7 bolts back in

you want to "try" different pumps? for fun? seriously?

tony_cogliandro

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dont like it dont do it - real simple.

and i wrote on the 5th line of the intro "Cutting a hole in your car is a big deal and if you have decided to do it, you have to do it right."

dont like it, dont do it. so dont do it. no problem.

as for cutting things - take a look at people who cut off the tops to make convert, or t-tops when they did not come that way. or body work to get bigger tires under it.

or cutting down the axel, or changing it out. or changing drive shafts, etc.

there is an entire thriving industry out there to help you make those changes. no one forces you to use their products, or even read about it.

there have always been pureists and others. to a pureist others mods are just not acceptable, but there have always been fights as to how pure is pure. some say if it did not come that way then any changes are unacceptable. and some pureists say some mods are ok but others are not. funny that those pureists that find some mods acceptable are usually talking about THEIR MODS as being ok.

look at some of the cars in the late 40's and 50's and even now. ever heard of chopping or channeling. lots of people did not like to see a roof cut off and then lowered so you only had a few inches of window. as long as there have been cars there have been people who change them. it is acceptable to some and unacceptable to others. such is life. that is why i do things to my car and dont make you do things to yours. the operative word is MY car.

but thanks for your imput - im sure it added balance.

zlathim

Jeez, there sure is a lot of haters in this post.

I like it. Thanks for taking the time and making the effort to add some good tech to the site. Rest assured that it will help someone in the future.

tony_cogliandro

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i dont think i would call them haters. its just a different preference. but thank you for your comments, it is a serious decision though. it has to be as strong as the original panel and take the same pressure. dont cut on safety and have a great time working on your camaro.

TheMonster

Wow what is wrong with you people??? This guy spent a lot of time doing this mod, writing it up, and I bet he did a little bit of research aswell. If you don't like it, then why even post? If you don't like it, suggest a different way that would look better/function better. Don't just straight up bash what hard work he did. Something like this many people may take something from and implement this idea into their car. To the OP, you did a great job, and their might be things that could be tweeked according to some people's oppinions. Hope you write up more howto's and guides in the future!

arrowcamaro

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The problem there is that somebody down the road will be searching and come across this and believe its the right way to change out a fuel pump. We all appreciate the time spent to write up a tech article... But when the article completely ignores and doesnt even mention that this is a shortcut and not the correct way someone needs to mention it.

There are options here people. Hack a hole in your floor, or spend the time and do it correctly which strange enough doesn't cause a hole to be where it was never intended to be.

tony_cogliandro

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now that is a good point. i will edit the first part and make that clear. thanks for you imput.

take a look arrow and see if you think that gets your point across.

tony

tony_cogliandro

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thanks monster - appreciate it. if you saw something that could be done better tell me and i will see how well it works. after all i can pull the lid in the time it takes to unscrew 14 bolts.

right now i'm making the rear fake leather rear cover. the purpose of that is to allow me to have a nice ride and still pull the nice interior and carry parts if i need to. in any event i make a pattern for everything and when i get tired of it i can just pull it out and put a new one in.

TheMonster

Now that is the kind of info and input people need, not bashing. Thanks for saying something that can help the OP and everyone else.

I think you can make it look pretty clean with some work! No suggestions here though

tony_cogliandro

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one more thing for those of you who hate my modification. if you hated a hole you cant see - just wait until i cut 4 holes in the hood and make those t/a hood vents into functioning ones for my camaro. OH NO - DESECRATION!

and did i forget to mention the electric sun roof?

as in the case of the quick change fuel pump mods - i will post detailed instructions with pics as to how to do it.

it took me more than 3 months to get the fuel pump access - not just fabrication but plans, models, before i ever cut a piece of metal and even then it was the lid i cut first before i ever put a hole in the car. and i did not like the first lid so i changed it a little and that is when i notched one corner so any holes would always match up.

dont forget the 5 p's.
proper planning prevents poor performance.

tony_cogliandro

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you are right monster. frequently people think that the job ends when it is functionable. its never the end of a project, as you pointed out. the cover will be taken off and cleaned. then it will be primered and then painted stock blue and i will probably hit the back area the same way. but i cant do that now as i have some more braces to put in for the quick releases for the fake leather and the alunimum braces, which have to be smoothed and painted, but in this case they will be painted the same color as the leather - black.

ghettocruiser

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I cut a 4" hole in my battery tray to pass my intake tubing through... The car wasnt designed with this hole. Does that make it a hack job?

The word "hack job" is stupid. If he used a hatchet to cut the hole and used bubble gum and zip ties to close the it up, then the word "hack" would come into play. This was well thought out, and will be completely fine. I dont totally like attaching hardware...with those "t-nuts"...but as long as he uses a thick enough gasket, he might be able to tighten everything down enough to seal it.

I plan on making an access hole for my fuel pump in the near future. Whenever I get around to it. Im using a 4th gen tank, so my hole will be further to the back and about half the size. I dont consider anything I do to my car a "hack", this included...its all in the execution and the finish.

And whats the difference between this and having an access panel already in the car...like some cars have behind the rear seat? Because they didnt think of that back in the 80's? But now since its been thought of and the manufacturers do it its ok?

Just sayin...disapprove if you want...but please use tact. Calling the guys work a "hack job" when its really not just isnt cool.

J.

Stephen

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I see the Access Hole mod, as correcting a factory error. Are the newer cars that come this way "hacked"? Or is it something that factories learned since the 3rd gen was designed, and was incorporated into newer designs?

arrowcamaro

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So when does the hacking stop? Are people going to start hacking out the trans tunnel to remove driveshaft’s or transmissions? Are people going to start hacking out firewalls to get to the back cylinders bolts on manifolds and headers? Also, lets not compare cars that came with the access panel to ones with a home made hole. Cars that came with it are obviously designed to have that hole and are properly reinforced to have said hole.

If you guys want to hack a hole onto a place that was never designed to have a hole, be my guest. Good luck with that, and keep adding to the typical thirdgenner persona.

Stephen

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When done right, its a MOD, not a hack.

As for your "examples", your just being ridiculous. The access hole turns a 4+ hour, multiple tools required, clean working ground are, dirty job, into a 30 minute, side of the road, clean repair.

The hole causes negligible to no loss of chassis strength.

Primetime91

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I'm with Stephen on this one. Kudos to you Tony for a good write-up that will make it easier for others to do a more professional, safer job

Shagwell

Starting with an un-cut car you will have as much time in doing this as just doing it as it was designed and dropping the tank. Should you acutally buy a quality pump and take the time to measure input voltage and amperage while you're there, you likely never need to do it again.

Definitely not saying right or wrong. My cars are a bit more "modded" than this, although none have this access hole.

toxik IROC

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I just read the thread. Grow up and stop complaining about other peoples work.

Arrowcamaro- your 88 gta didn't come with "% tint on the back window because of all the douchebags with HID's blinding me at night " or the To do list of a T-56 wich you have to cut up your trans tunnle and drill holes in your fire wall.
Or your electronics.....that didn't come with the cars


F***k why can't people relax if you don't like the work of some one eles than just DON'T SAY ANYTHING!

To the OP nice work.

ghettocruiser

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Which persona? The doing burn outs in the street persona?

Your car wasnt designed to have LS1 front brakes... Its also not designed to have a "t-56? ". You are going to have to cut a big hole in your floor where there wasnt one from the factory. Are you going to flange the edges of that hole and cut it to factory specs 100%? I doubt it.

See...I can make ridiculous scenarious too. Why cant you just make your point and move on? Are you like this in person?? haha. Sorry...Im just feeding the fire arent I. Ill quit. Oh...I gotta say. Your car is f'in gorgeous. I wouldnt cut a hole in a car that clean haha. Mine on the otherhand...its exactly a virgin to that sort of thing.

Shagwell: Your point is valid. It might take as long to cut the hole, replace the pump, and seal the hole back up as it does to drop the exhaust, lower the axle, snake the tank and reverse. The first time... With your modded cars, you know how aftermarket parts can be. You can get the best walbro pump out there, and have it give you fits due to the pump being inspected on a friday at 4:50 in the afternoon by some guy that just wants to end the week. I can personally say it will take me a quarter of the time to make an access panel, add my racetronix kit, and seal the hole properly than it would for me to drop my exhaust and tank. Then get my stupid exhaust lined up after... Just too much to mess with. Especially on the side of the road should something happen while driving.

Of course...you guys running 3rd gen tanks have to cut a BIG hole compared to a 4th gen tank. I dont think I would do it if I had a thirdgen tank still, just due to the size of the opening.

Oh well...have fun guys!

J.

arrowcamaro

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Whats that got to do with putting a hole in your floor? Ever heard of a T-5? Those holes are designed to be there.
Again, nothing to do with hacking a hole in the floor.


F***k why can't people relax if you don't like the work of some one eles than just DON'T SAY ANYTHING!

To the OP nice work.[/QUOTE]

arrowcamaro

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You cant even figure out wheel spacers, so im doubting you to be an authority on this.

arrowcamaro

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I was thinking more of the *******, put a house window unit A/C in the back window of my pickup truck persona

The t-56 holes are right in line with a T-5 give or take an inch.... The LS1 brakes can be changed out easily with my original parts on the shelf.

I can be. Seriously.

It was before you started... Your blue one is sweet. I wish mine wasnt a daily so that I could do something like that

Dalek Sec

Of for... *FACEPALM*

All I can say is that some folks here would HATE my 89 FB Formula! I got the thing as a MESS (Great body and interior but had WABBITS living UNDER the hood for 5 years).

I have already RIPPED out many of the fail ridden electronic gauges AND the Brain Box controls damn near NOTHING at this point.

It is safe to say I am NOT "Restoring" this car and I am NOT a purist. I happen to think the modification mentioned in this thread is full of WIN and I thank the OP for posting it! This makes up for, what I feel, is an obvious design flaw that makes it more difficult to replace the notoriously problem prone fuel pump. Don’t like the procedure? Easy, don’t do it! As for me, it is next on my list of “To Dos” right after I replace the electric speedo with a mechanical example and beat it on a rock!

Lighten up folks, this is a hobby. Thus, a matter of FUN and enjoyment!

TheMonster

My math teacher last year said it was the 7 p's Prior Proper Planning Prevents **** Poor Performance. lol


Wow, Stephen, and Stephen87Iroc, lol are very knowledgeable when it comes to 3rd gens. So I think he has complete authority on this.

tony_cogliandro

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personally i think the cutting stops when you like it the way it then is.
its not for everyone and good for you if you want to keep yours stock - no harm in that even if its slower, the carpet is fading, or the plugs dont work well - that is changing from stock. and you may think i am being funny but there are people out there who value just that kind of car.
and dalek i think i have seen that post about rabbits and your car before - pictures would be great.
and this is a daily driver. when i do something like this - its done in one day or a 2 day weekend. that is what really makes it fun - you get to ride in your work.
times i hate the way it looks - like interior - so i work a little more on it at night. all work stops at midnight - got a real job in the day. but its a hobby - its fun and its great therapy.

and arrow - i said it before and i will say it again - your comments about someone not realizing that this is a mod that should not be entered into lightly was a good one - and i changed the lead in.

as far as the philosophy of making mods - that is an individual choice. when i started buying these i would never have done this - but after driving the same car for almost 20 years - well it needs some changes to make me happy enough to drive it for another 20.

so i had a choice. make what i want - or spend 40+k on a new one that would not be exactly what i want.

people change suspension systems, bracing systems, exhaust systems. we like some of their work and at times we dont - and when they ask for an opinion we tell them - we even tell them when they dont ask. but that is what makes the board a good one. sharing ideas.

pro's and con's are good for someone who thinks about doing something. they see why people dont like it and why they do. they get to make their own decisions. i just provided a way for those who like to do it a little practical info with lost of pic's.

so now i have to go play with the doctors again. so everyone keep on keeping on.

tony

arrowcamaro

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I cant say I've been as impressed with the knowledge honestly, but I digress.

I've made my point, when people search for this in the future they can atleast see both sides to the story.

Stephen

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Ok Arnold.....Your one of the people who can understand LEVERAGE? Do you ever use a long handled wrench, or use a screwdriver-type handle on your sockets?

arrowcamaro

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Yes. Yes I can.

And its "you're" not your.

one92rs

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yes i have cut valve covers to adjust valves. made it real easy with sollid lifter race engine. for people that think this is the right way-everyone is there own person and are free to do as they please. cant afford a door? make one of these. need to change the pump. do it. want to drop the tank? ok lower the rear axle,lower the exhaust or cut it and then lower the tank. to each his own. this mod has been done for years. third gens and fourth gens and other cars i am sure of. if you have the money and can afford to do it with all the fancy doors then go for it. some of us have families to support or money from another source that cant afford the fancy way. this is one mans way that decided to take the time to do it his way. take it as that. i would and will do it. i might try to save the money to do it different but if not it will be done this way. i dont think that flaming someone for doing this is the way to go about it. if you dont like it dont do it. why take the time to flame someone of the thousands that have done it. leave it alone. it is there cars and they have the right ot do as they want.

Shagwell

This thread has mad me realize the cutting everything from the firewall back out of my Camaro was evidentally a huge mistake and the car will never be right again...

To each their own. Just don't put air-jackers and side-pipes on it and we won't have a problem......

b4ccamaro

Wow! This is getting heated. I think tony did an awesome job. Lots of great info for those that want to do the door method. I on the other hand agree with arrow. I don't think the cut in way is a good idea, but tony definitely gets a A+ for doing it well.

tony_cogliandro

iTrader: (3)

tony did not do such a great job. during my testing where i put it on, tightened it down, and took it off again, at time 47 i noted a design/material flaw.
the t-nuts - no matter how hard i set them, could start to spin making it all but impossible to take the lid off.
i have now fixed that and will incorporate the new design at the top and some of the pictures are going to go away.
perfection is something to strive for, not to achieve and i did not achieve it this time.
but its fixed now.