Go Back   Third Generation F-Body Message Boards > Tech Boards > Fabrication

Fabrication Custom fabrication ideas and concepts ranging from body kits, interior work, driveline tech, and much more.

Welcome to ThirdGen.org!
Welcome to ThirdGen.org.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, at no cost, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, join the ThirdGen.org community today!


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-04-2009, 02:37 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
//<86TA>\\'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Central NJ
Posts: 5,444
Car: 86 Trans Am, 92 Firebird
Engine: 408 stroker, 3.1L of raw power
Transmission: Tremec TKO600, 700r4
Axle/Gears: Moser 9", 3:70 trutac, open 3:23

Classifieds Rating: (6)
widening front wheels?

i had my rear wheels widened a couple years ago, and have been meaning to do the front as well, they are currently 18x8's, but would like a 9.5. Only thing thats been keeping be back, aside from lack of time, is safety.

I dont have a problem with the rears being welded, if for some reason they break, it will suck, but i should be able to keep the car in some kind of control because i can still steer.

However, if a front should fail for some reason, that would be bad.

So my question is, has anybody here ever widened front wheels? and info or know of any issues with other cars?
This ad is not displayed to registered members.
Register your free account today and become a member on ThirdGen!
__________________
"with a big enough hammer, anything is possible"
"The one who dies with the most tools wins!"
//<86TA>\\ is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Registered users do not see this ad.
Click here to register for free!
Old 10-06-2009, 11:04 AM   #2
TGO Sponsor
 
BMR Sales's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Tampa
Posts: 207

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: widening front wheels?

As long as the company doing it knows their stuff I wouldn't worry about it. There are a lot of welded steel and aluminum wheels on the road that are holding up fine. Now its the curbs and potholes you want to watch out for.
__________________

Jay Otto
www.bmrfabrication.com
813-986-9302
BMR Sales is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2009, 04:26 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
//<86TA>\\'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Central NJ
Posts: 5,444
Car: 86 Trans Am, 92 Firebird
Engine: 408 stroker, 3.1L of raw power
Transmission: Tremec TKO600, 700r4
Axle/Gears: Moser 9", 3:70 trutac, open 3:23

Classifieds Rating: (6)
Re: widening front wheels?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BMR Sales View Post
As long as the company doing it knows their stuff I wouldn't worry about it. There are a lot of welded steel and aluminum wheels on the road that are holding up fine. Now its the curbs and potholes you want to watch out for.
ok, that make me feel better. The company i used is WheelWorks in Burlington NJ, a small shop but the guy did a fantastic job, looks like a machine weld, but its all done by hand.

I guess this mod will go back on the list next time i need tires
//<86TA>\\ is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2009, 02:08 AM   #4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Ogden UT
Posts: 256
Car: '88 Camaro
Engine: 2.8 swapped to 355
Transmission: G-Force T5 w/ straight cut gears
Axle/Gears: Stock 3.42's

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: widening front wheels?

Do you mind if I ask how much this cost you to get done?
Primetime91 is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2009, 03:52 AM   #5
Senior Member
 
Stephen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 8,197
Car: 87 GTA
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Dana M78 3.27 posi

Classifieds Rating: (12)
Send a message via AIM to Stephen
Re: widening front wheels?

I had mine rear 9" widened to 11" each by http://www.wheelsamerica.com and their cost quote to me was "150.00 if you provide donors. 200.00 if we provide donors. takes 2-*3 working days" and I paid another $100 each for the "custom" (what & were i wanted it done) layout of the black powdercoating I wanted.



__________________

Custom powder coated flat black ROH Snypers w/the correct 3rd gen offset (no spacers needed, front or rear) Front--275/40R17s on 17"x9"--5" bs & custom widened & custom powder coated Rear--315/35R17s on 17"x11"--7" bs,
4th gen front seats, OEM 2001 TA rear wing, OEM 1997 TA side mirrors
TSP LS1 Cat-back exhaust-UMI Rod Ended STB-UMI Double Rod Ended On-car Adjustable PHB-UMI Performance Adjustable Control Arms with Off-Set Bushings - Ground Control Weight Jacks, Eibach Springs 9.5"-600lb/10"-150lb


To be Installed:
UMI Performance Tie Rod Adjusters-Kenny Brown Double Diamond SFCs

Home of the STS (Sequential Turn Signal) mod
Parting Out - 1989 Pontiac Trans Am GTA


GOD Bless America
Stephen is online now vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2009, 04:53 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
//<86TA>\\'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Central NJ
Posts: 5,444
Car: 86 Trans Am, 92 Firebird
Engine: 408 stroker, 3.1L of raw power
Transmission: Tremec TKO600, 700r4
Axle/Gears: Moser 9", 3:70 trutac, open 3:23

Classifieds Rating: (6)
Re: widening front wheels?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen View Post
I had mine rear 9" widened to 11" each by http://www.wheelsamerica.com and their cost quote to me was "150.00 if you provide donors. 200.00 if we provide donors. takes 2-*3 working days" and I paid another $100 each for the "custom" (what & were i wanted it done) layout of the black powdercoating I wanted.




i see one weld bead, what di you do, use 2 wheels, cut both and make a single wheel out of the two?

My work was 500bux for both wheels. Widened 4"
//<86TA>\\ is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2009, 05:08 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
Stephen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 8,197
Car: 87 GTA
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Dana M78 3.27 posi

Classifieds Rating: (12)
Send a message via AIM to Stephen
Re: widening front wheels?

Quote:
Originally Posted by //<86TA>\\ View Post
i see one weld bead, what di you do, use 2 wheels, cut both and make a single wheel out of the two?

My work was 500bux for both wheels. Widened 4"
Yep, only 1 weld bead. I felt the single weld bead offered by Wheels America was better & stronger than what Weldcraft offers.

They used my Snyper outers & the inners from other 17" wheels, so only 1 weld bead instead of a 3" strip inserted & 2 weld beads.

Only 1 weld bead (instead of 2 like yours) & woulda only been $400 (instead), had I not gotten the powdercoating.
Stephen is online now vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2009, 06:50 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
//<86TA>\\'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Central NJ
Posts: 5,444
Car: 86 Trans Am, 92 Firebird
Engine: 408 stroker, 3.1L of raw power
Transmission: Tremec TKO600, 700r4
Axle/Gears: Moser 9", 3:70 trutac, open 3:23

Classifieds Rating: (6)
Re: widening front wheels?

that neat how they did it, never really though about doing it that way.

I see no issues with strength between one or 2 beads, so long as the welding was done properly.
//<86TA>\\ is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2009, 07:36 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Ogden UT
Posts: 256
Car: '88 Camaro
Engine: 2.8 swapped to 355
Transmission: G-Force T5 w/ straight cut gears
Axle/Gears: Stock 3.42's

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: widening front wheels?

Huh, never thought of doing it with one bead and putting 2 wheels together, nifty.

Probably not worth spending that much moolah on stock wheels though... I suppose I would be better off spending that kind of money on a forged wheel that's going to be much lighter. Oh well, maybe the "sleeper" look is overrated . Still a cool idea though, wish I knew how much weight difference it would be
Primetime91 is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2009, 07:51 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
Stephen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 8,197
Car: 87 GTA
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Dana M78 3.27 posi

Classifieds Rating: (12)
Send a message via AIM to Stephen
Re: widening front wheels?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Primetime91 View Post
Huh, never thought of doing it with one bead and putting 2 wheels together, nifty.

Probably not worth spending that much moolah on stock wheels though... I suppose I would be better off spending that kind of money on a forged wheel that's going to be much lighter. Oh well, maybe the "sleeper" look is overrated . Still a cool idea though, wish I knew how much weight difference it would be
You are not limited to stock wheels to do this.

If you find a wheel you REALLY like (like the ROH Snypers) but only come in a narrower width....Get them & have them widened. My Snypers were only available in 9", so I guess you might say....I have maybe I have the ONLY 2 11" Snypers in the WORLD!

And it was SOOOOO worth the effort to make them fit!
Stephen is online now vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2009, 10:53 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Ogden UT
Posts: 256
Car: '88 Camaro
Engine: 2.8 swapped to 355
Transmission: G-Force T5 w/ straight cut gears
Axle/Gears: Stock 3.42's

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: widening front wheels?

I know I'm not limited to stock wheels, just debating out loud whether it would be better to widen my stock wheels (I admit I do love them), or just go aftermarket. (Weld prostars, or something similar)

Stephen, did you have to mod anything besides the wheels to get those 11" rims to fit? Those tuck in too nicely
Primetime91 is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2009, 11:42 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Stephen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 8,197
Car: 87 GTA
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Dana M78 3.27 posi

Classifieds Rating: (12)
Send a message via AIM to Stephen
Re: widening front wheels?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Primetime91 View Post
Stephen, did you have to mod anything besides the wheels to get those 11" rims to fit? Those tuck in too nicely
They tuck nicely because I spent MONTHS researching it, came to a dozen different "truths" & decided "SCREW IT! I'll make them fit, how I WANT to make them fit!"

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/su...els-315-a.html
Stephen is online now vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2009, 01:03 AM   #13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Chino, Ca.
Posts: 1,050
Car: 92 Z-28
Engine: Super Ram 350+++
Transmission: Pro-built with a Yank
Axle/Gears: 9 inch with 4.11s

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: widening front wheels?

Quote:
Originally Posted by //<86TA>\\ View Post
So my question is, has anybody here ever widened front wheels? and info or know of any issues with other cars?
No problem for a good shop to do inside or outside.

I just did some 92 front wheels, stock is 16 X 8 (the one in front of picture) and now i have 17 X 9.5 with a 5 1/2 backspace. (the four in the back of the picture)

Jerry
Attached Images
File Type: jpg MVC-001F.JPG (57.4 KB, 41 views)

Last edited by JERRYWHO; 10-19-2009 at 01:54 AM.
JERRYWHO is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2009, 01:42 AM   #14
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Macon, GA
Posts: 1,456
Car: 1992 Camaro RS
Engine: Vortec headed 355, xe262
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 9-bolt 3.27

Classifieds Rating: (3)
Send a message via AIM to InfernalVortex
Re: widening front wheels?

Quote:
Originally Posted by JERRYWHO View Post
No problem for a good shop to do inside or outside.

I just did some 92 front wheels, stock is 16 X 8 (in front) and now i have 17 X 9.5 with a 5 1/2 backspace. (the four in the back)

Jerry
The back wheels are 17s? Where did you find 91-92 wheels in 17 inch diameters?
InfernalVortex is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2009, 02:00 AM   #15
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Chino, Ca.
Posts: 1,050
Car: 92 Z-28
Engine: Super Ram 350+++
Transmission: Pro-built with a Yank
Axle/Gears: 9 inch with 4.11s

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: widening front wheels?

Quote:
Originally Posted by InfernalVortex View Post
The back wheels are 17s? Where did you find 91-92 wheels in 17 inch diameters?
I made them.

Not to hijack this thread see the post in the So Cal area.

"New wheels 17X9.5 91-92 style"

Link

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/so...-17x9-5-a.html (New wheels 17X9.5 91-92 style)

Jerry
JERRYWHO is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2009, 05:08 AM   #16
Member
 
camarozz383's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: newfoundland
Posts: 234
Car: 1989 camaro rs
Engine: zz383
Transmission: 5 speed
Axle/Gears: 3:73

Classifieds Rating: (2)
Re: widening front wheels?

that looks sweet! you had new outer rings added to get 17" right? and as long as there is good welding done you wont have to worries, rim will break before the welding do.
camarozz383 is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2009, 05:16 AM   #17
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Enschede, Netherlands
Posts: 760
Car: 1987 IROC Z28
Engine: 5.7
Transmission: TH700R4

Classifieds Rating: (1)
Send a message via AIM to Twin_Turbo
Re: widening front wheels?

Looks like he simply cut down the entire wheel and fit it in a spun wheel rim like most billet wheels (a machined center is press fit into a heated rim section and then welded on the back side) I like that!!!
__________________
Twin_Turbo is online now vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2009, 09:40 AM   #18
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Chino, Ca.
Posts: 1,050
Car: 92 Z-28
Engine: Super Ram 350+++
Transmission: Pro-built with a Yank
Axle/Gears: 9 inch with 4.11s

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: widening front wheels?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Twin_Turbo View Post
Looks like he simply cut down the entire wheel and fit it in a spun wheel rim like most billet wheels (a machined center is press fit into a heated rim section and then welded on the back side)
You got it right.
JERRYWHO is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2009, 07:00 PM   #19
Senior Member
 
//<86TA>\\'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Central NJ
Posts: 5,444
Car: 86 Trans Am, 92 Firebird
Engine: 408 stroker, 3.1L of raw power
Transmission: Tremec TKO600, 700r4
Axle/Gears: Moser 9", 3:70 trutac, open 3:23

Classifieds Rating: (6)
Re: widening front wheels?

thanks guys for the input, i have had the rears widened, and am quite happy with them. My questioning was more on the question of strength in a front wheel application. The stresses are much different on the front because of turning ect vs. the rear wheel that just goes straight, most of the time.
__________________
"with a big enough hammer, anything is possible"
"The one who dies with the most tools wins!"
//<86TA>\\ is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2009, 07:24 PM   #20
Senior Member
 
Stephen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 8,197
Car: 87 GTA
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Dana M78 3.27 posi

Classifieds Rating: (12)
Send a message via AIM to Stephen
Re: widening front wheels?

Quote:
Originally Posted by //<86TA>\\ View Post
thanks guys for the input, i have had the rears widened, and am quite happy with them. My questioning was more on the question of strength in a front wheel application. The stresses are much different on the front because of turning ect vs. the rear wheel that just goes straight, most of the time.
I agree that fronts do have to survive more of & different types of stress, but the rears have to withstand the engines torque.

Not nearly a 50/50 stress between the fronts & rears, but the rears do have to withstand a really different type of stress.
Stephen is online now vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2009, 07:31 PM   #21
Senior Member
 
//<86TA>\\'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Central NJ
Posts: 5,444
Car: 86 Trans Am, 92 Firebird
Engine: 408 stroker, 3.1L of raw power
Transmission: Tremec TKO600, 700r4
Axle/Gears: Moser 9", 3:70 trutac, open 3:23

Classifieds Rating: (6)
Re: widening front wheels?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen View Post
I agree that fronts do have to survive more of & different types of stress, but the rears have to withstand the engines torque.

Not nearly a 50/50 stress between the fronts & rears, but the rears do have to withstand a really different type of stress.
true, but in the rear, all the stress is in the same direction as the weld, on the front you will have stresses across the weld, and im sure the wheel's hoop deflects a little to as it turns, so a littel twisting too? I know that aluminum fatigues much differently than steel.

But in all reality, with the amount of time i drive the car every year, i doubt i will even have and issue.
//<86TA>\\ is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote


Reply

Go Back   Third Generation F-Body Message Boards > Tech Boards > Fabrication

Tags
aluminum, fabrication, ga, gen, hoop, ls1, steel, stock, tuckin, turning, wheel, wheels, widen, widening, works
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 






1982 Camaro '82 || 1983 Camaro '83 || 1984 Camaro '84 || 1985 Camaro '85 || 1986 Camaro '86 || 1987 Camaro '87 || 1988 Camaro '88 || 1989 Camaro '89 || 1990 Camaro '90 || 1991 Camaro '91 || 1992 Camaro '92


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0
All content copyright © 1997 - 2009 ThirdGen.org. All rights reserved. No part of this website may be reproduced without the expressed, documented, and written consent of ThirdGen.org's Administrators.