98+ CAMARO “LS1” Brakes: Bigger & Better Period

[Z03Z28]

First let me say don't get mad.I didn't want to read
every post.Is anyone making a complete kit for Vette or 4th gen brake swap,If so how much annd from who?


Thanks To all
Pepe:rockon: :rockon:

[KagA152]

i think you can get a complete kit from ed

does anybody have the aluminum spare that could test fit with these brakes?

[ebmiller88]

I've got that spare in my Iroc and can test fit it for ya, but I'll bet it won't clear. I'll have results by Tuesday, I'm installing SFCs on the RS at the moment.

Ed

[novass]

Does anyone know if a 4th gen spare will fit our cars? If so it should fit on the LS1 Swap.

I am almost ready to do the full swap front and rear.

Here is a pic of the preped rears

[ebmiller88]

Yeah, you know the 4th gen spare will have to work, and from my understanding, the alum spare Kevin posted won't even clear brakes on 1LE cars as that's NOT a "1LE" spec spare.

Nice parts...

Ed

[V6canvas]

will the "ls1" rear brakes work on the 9 bolt the same as the 10 bolt?

BTW novass, those are some really sweet looking parts

-Steve

[Justins86bird]

Originally posted by V6canvas
will the "ls1" rear brakes work on the 9 bolt the same as the 10 bolt?

BTW novass, those are some really sweet looking parts

-Steve

Yes, its been done before. You need to fab up some stuff to retain the axles. Check on the Suspension board for details.

[ebmiller88]

There's a few guys out there with LS1 rear brakes on a 9 bolt but IMO it's not worth it when the LT1/1LE style PBRs will bolt on easier and give you the same performance, and like Justin said, you have to make the backing plates fit the 9 bolt axle flanges and it's a decent amount fo work. I think DynoDon has them on his 9 bolt.

Ed

[SinthetikIroc]

but the ile pbrs calipers and rotors cost alot more than the ls1 stuff. to me the money i save is worth dickin around with a bracket

but thats jus my opinion

[GTA91]

Ok, I've been following this thread forever and I have all the rotors/calipers from a LS1 car, a spare set of 3rd gen spindles/rotors to cut on, and I even have a set of caliper brackets from Ed Miller so I believe I have pretty much everything to do this swap.


*PROBLEM, I'm getting ready to cut on my spindle and have my rotors machined down and have longer studs pressed in but after re-reading these 7 pages, its seems there is some confusion on some things. Can Ed or someone make an entire new post stating EXACTLY what to do? I'm a little confused on the spindle mod (where exactly to cut) and I'm not real sure what bolts to use to hold the caliper bracket on. Someone please help, I want my 4wheel LS1 disc swap done soon!!



Thanks!

[ebmiller88]

Sure, I'll chime in. As for the spindle mods, the BEST pictures of it are in AndyZ28's 1LE Plus CD offered by Spohn and also found at www.andyz28.com. It's a great tool and I'm sure you'd like to have it but I also understand that you may not want to buy a CD just for one piece of info. In that case, look on Dan Burke's 1LE brake page. The LS1 mods are almost exactly like the cuts for the 1LE install. I cut my spindles exactly like that on the top but I cut a bit closer on the bottom. For the upper cut, look down from the top of the spindle. Make your cut parallel to the dust bolt hole. Try to leave about 1/8" of metal by the upper dust bolt hole and the inside edge of the cut needs to run next to the face that the strut sits on....I hope that is clear. As for the lower cut, just make a straight cut down just past the lower hole. I made that hole in your bracket for a 7/16" bolt IIRC, please check this to be sure. The best way to do it is: Drill and tap the upper hole for either a M12 x 1.75 bolt or a 1/2" standard bolt, and drill and tap the lower bracket hole for 7/16"-14 bolt. I drop down a size on the bottom to leave as much metal as I can around that lower hole for strangth, that 7/16" bolt is plenty down there. After you make the upper cut, bolt the bracket on and scribe a line on the lower part and that will show you where you need to cut and what you need to trim.

Here's Dan Burke's page:

http://www.ws6transam.org/1LEbrake.html#1LEfront

Let me know if that helps...Ed

[novass]

Lock or ED,

What type of hoses are used when the rear LS1 Swap is done? Will the original rear disk hoses work? I plan on going with braded stainless and I know that ed had mentioned that the 1LE front hoses are a good choice because of their length. (because they are sold as a whole kit front and back would it be a good choice to purchase this kit and will it fit on the rear application of a LS1 brakes)?

Thanks,

Tom

[ebmiller88]

Lock's running a stock 4th gen rear so I'd assume he has kept the stock lines on it but I'd agree with what you mentioned...run a 1LE kit and it'll work fine.

Ed

[GTA91]

Originally posted by ebmiller88
Sure, I'll chime in. As for the spindle mods, the BEST pictures of it are in AndyZ28's 1LE Plus CD offered by Spohn and also found at www.andyz28.com. It's a great tool and I'm sure you'd like to have it but I also understand that you may not want to buy a CD just for one piece of info. In that case, look on Dan Burke's 1LE brake page. The LS1 mods are almost exactly like the cuts for the 1LE install. I cut my spindles exactly like that on the top but I cut a bit closer on the bottom. For the upper cut, look down from the top of the spindle. Make your cut parallel to the dust bolt hole. Try to leave about 1/8" of metal by the upper dust bolt hole and the inside edge of the cut needs to run next to the face that the strut sits on....I hope that is clear. As for the lower cut, just make a straight cut down just past the lower hole. I made that hole in your bracket for a 7/16" bolt IIRC, please check this to be sure. The best way to do it is: Drill and tap the upper hole for either a M12 x 1.75 bolt or a 1/2" standard bolt, and drill and tap the lower bracket hole for 7/16"-14 bolt. I drop down a size on the bottom to leave as much metal as I can around that lower hole for strangth, that 7/16" bolt is plenty down there. After you make the upper cut, bolt the bracket on and scribe a line on the lower part and that will show you where you need to cut and what you need to trim.

Here's Dan Burke's page:

http://www.ws6transam.org/1LEbrake.html#1LEfront

Let me know if that helps...Ed

Ed, you're the man. I'll have more questions along the way though. LOL So, if I'm getting this right, the hols in the caliper bracket need to be tapped, but no tapping of the spindle is required??

[ebmiller88]

Nope...turn it around...the bracket holes are left alone and the spindle holes get drilled and tapped. Just make sure you use the right bolt for the size of hole that has been drilled. Half inch hole up top, 7/16" hole down bottom.

Ed

[lock]

Originally posted by ebmiller88
Lock's running a stock 4th gen rear so I'd assume he has kept the stock lines on it but I'd agree with what you mentioned...run a 1LE kit and it'll work fine.

Ed

Exactly.

[GTA91]

So does anyone have the stainless/braided brake line kit for a 3rd gen that will work with LS1 brakes on ALL 4 corners? Let me know what it is, where to get it, and how much.


Thanks!

[TransAm12sec]

Originally posted by novass
Does anyone know if a 4th gen spare will fit our cars?

The 4th gen wheels(including the spare) have a different offset, so you would need to have a 2 spare adapters to use one. One for the front and one for the back.

[ebmiller88]

GTA, I'd just get the Earls' set P/N 28A190 for the 1LE cars. Should it not work like you want, I'll buy it from you so you won't be out anything. I know the fronts will work and the rear PBRs are just like the 3rd gens and the banjo bolts are the same, so I'm 99% sure you will be fine.

Ed

[novass]

Originally posted by ebmiller88
GTA, I'd just get the Earls' set P/N 28A190 for the 1LE cars. Should it not work like you want, I'll buy it from you so you won't be out anything. I know the fronts will work and the rear PBRs are just like the 3rd gens and the banjo bolts are the same, so I'm 99% sure you will be fine.

Ed

Ed I am going to be getting the kit. Do you know off hand if it is a 4 or 5 line kit (the 5th line being the one that goes from the body to the rear axel)?

[ebmiller88]

5 piece kit, 2 front and 3 back.

Ed

[HaroGt14]

Kinda bringing this post back from the dead.

Got a question. Is anyone making the brackets to bolt of to the front brakes for our cars? I am not yet mechanically inclined to make a bracket and spindle. If so how much are they asking for them?

Thanks,

Sean

[KagA152]

i had ed mod my spindles and i got brackets from him too:hail:

[KagA152]

a page or two back the lines were being discussed. the stock ones work, but it was a stretch. so i figured id buy 1LE ones. heres a pic, stock left, new raybestos 1LE right:

[KagA152]

rusty

[KagA152]

and the back:

[ebmiller88]

Nice!!! I really love the look of the LS1 setup.

Ed