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04-07-2003, 05:23 PM
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Car: 90' Camaro RS/03' Chevy S10 Engine: 5.0L 305 TBI/2.2L of FURY! Transmission: T-5/T-5 Axle/Gears: 3.23/?? | Open Element on 305TBI
Ok guys, I'm not sure how this message forum works, but from reading other peoples messages I guess we just ask a question. I want to put an open element air cleaner on my 90' RS with a 305, but i'm not quite sure how to, and what I should do about the air sensor. Hopefully before too long I am getting a cowl-induction hood to go with the open element, but when I do, is there a different type of open element that works better with the cowl opposed to the stock hood? Apreciate any advice you can give me.
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Open Element Questions. ALL GO HERE
Ok, if you have a question/comment/problem/anything etc about an open element aircleaner - POST IT HERE.
DO NOT START A NEW THREAD.... After a while thissingle post will have every answer/comment you could ever need.
If you find the answer to your question in another post, or know the answer is in another post POST A LINK TO IT HERE.
This will sort of be the "sub-board" for open el's. Eventually I will combine all info and add it to the article... If you would like something added to the article NOW, email snflupigus - snflupigus@hotmail.com or 90RS305 - rockhard84@hotmail.com
Thank you for helping to make Thirdgen better.
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04-07-2003, 05:57 PM
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Car: 2002 Z28 Engine: LS1 Transmission: 4L60E Axle/Gears: 3.23 | welcome to the boards!!!!!
the best tool on here is the "search" button, usually if you have a question it has been asked before. Also, there is a tech article on installing an open element http://snflupigus.tripod.com/tech/op...tep1/step1.htm
this was also the first mod i did to my car and the tech article that i followed, very easy and straight forward.
good luck!
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04-08-2003, 09:05 PM
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Car: 1990 RS, 1992 RS Engine: 305 TBI LO3, Carbed 350 Transmission: 700R4/700R4 Axle/Gears: 3.08 posi/3.42 posi | Ditto ... welcome! I also have a '90 RS LO3 TBI and I'm starting the mod process myself. And although I'm a newbie - I've learned tons from this board in the last 9 months of reading.
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04-08-2003, 11:09 PM
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| welcome to the board........its a good way to find out parts and stuff you can do to your lo3....i have an edelbrock 14" by 3" and it was a simple process......all you really need to do is purchase it at the store and cut one of the wires that goes into the throttle body to plug up a hole, and then put it in.....also if you going to get an open air element you might want to concider the k&n air filter with the xtream air filter lid.......is your camaro stock or does it have some stuff done to it.....i have done my exhaust, cat back only......hollowed out my cat, dynomax muffler, hei coil, 350 engine, knock sensor, ecm, chip, and more to come during the summer......hope this helped............. | |
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04-09-2003, 02:59 AM
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Car: 90' Camaro RS/03' Chevy S10 Engine: 5.0L 305 TBI/2.2L of FURY! Transmission: T-5/T-5 Axle/Gears: 3.23/?? | Thanks guys, especially that link with the step-by-step for the open element switch, that will help a lot. About any mods I have right now actually when I bought it 7 months ago it was COMPLETELY bone stock, all original e.q., and all I have done to is is a flowmaster 40 series muffler and a K&N filter. (Funny thing is, with only those 2 mods AND H rated tires, I run a 15.3) I also had to put a higher powered alternator for my sound system, got quit the setup there. But other than that nothing. My near future plans are hopefully true dual (cat-free), some hooker headers, chip, and a functional cowl-induction system. Eventually I want the richmond 6-speed, but that won't be for a while. If anyone that reads through this has a working cowl-induction and they have a diff. setup than just an open element that they find works better I'd like to know, because hopefully I'm getting the hood soon. Thanks guys! | |
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04-09-2003, 10:35 PM
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| hello again.....with the hooker set up you can get a cat free system with hooker part number 2210, 1 3/4" by 3" collectors....you can hook that up to a mufflex system of you choice...that is what i am doing with mine....they have the 3" y-pipe with no cats into a 3-4" cat back system either spintech or flowmaster......this i think is a very good setup if you want to put more mods onto your car...mufflex-performance.com is the web site...to get the whole system done like this with 4" cat back system is close to $1500 just for parts......i think that it is worth it but if anyone has a better place in which then can get a 4"cat-back system please feel free to tell us...i would like to know before i spend that money..... | |
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04-10-2003, 02:26 AM
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Car: 1989 Chevrolet Camaro Engine: 305 Transmission: WC T-5 Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt | http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~mforma/ol...penelement.htm
doesnt get any more discriptive than that hope that helps.
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04-10-2003, 02:41 AM
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Car: 90' Camaro RS/03' Chevy S10 Engine: 5.0L 305 TBI/2.2L of FURY! Transmission: T-5/T-5 Axle/Gears: 3.23/?? | Wow, I just looked at the page DevilsAddvocate posted and that was huge! Both links that I've gotten will work great but those of you that are like me and work better with picture books will like DevilsAddvocate's link. Thanks! I'm still wondering about the cowl-induction system, I have an idea for it myself, but it's just too hard to put into words, I'll try to draw it sometime.... | |
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04-10-2003, 11:43 AM
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Car: 1989 Chevrolet Camaro Engine: 305 Transmission: WC T-5 Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt | Sure no problem, I just had a problem with removing the IAT sensor just unplug/screw (dont rememeber lol) it from the houseing, pull the houseing away and the end that was inside the houseing put it back onto the IAT sensor and put it twoards the back of the firewall. um... Just look at the pictures lol hope it helped.
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04-10-2003, 06:15 PM
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Car: 89 camaro w/t-tops Engine: lo3 | Wow advocate,good timing!Im getting ready to install an open element from autozone too!
I do have some questions though. After taking off the old snorkal I plug up the hoses and slap the open element on?Nothing needs to plug into it (pvc)?And whats this on "Snuffy's" site about car fires?If it can be scewed up I'll do it so I want to know what to look for! | |
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04-10-2003, 11:32 PM
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Car: 1989 Chevrolet Camaro Engine: 305 Transmission: WC T-5 Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt | Ya just goes right on top, i really cant explain it better than that link it should be good to go, just make sure it doesnt rub against ur coil dont want that thing 2 short ull hear it if it does, and thats how a fire might start. You shouldnt have any problems tho more of something 2 scare people with.
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04-11-2003, 02:22 AM
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Car: 89 GTA Engine: 350 TPI Transmission: 5 speed | Quote: Originally posted by 90RS305
I'm still wondering about the cowl-induction system, I have an idea for it myself, but it's just too hard to put into words, I'll try to draw it sometime.... | Do a search for "cowl induction". I'd just give you the link, but it's more satifying to find it yourself.
BTW 15.3 is pretty darn good for basically stock w/o gears. What was your mph? Headers, cam, gears/posi, and chip tuning and you have yourself a mid 14 sec car.
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04-11-2003, 02:48 AM
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Car: 90' Camaro RS/03' Chevy S10 Engine: 5.0L 305 TBI/2.2L of FURY! Transmission: T-5/T-5 Axle/Gears: 3.23/?? | Quote: Originally posted by Beast5spdGTA
Do a search for "cowl induction". I'd just give you the link, but it's more satifying to find it yourself.
BTW 15.3 is pretty darn good for basically stock w/o gears. What was your mph? Headers, cam, gears/posi, and chip tuning and you have yourself a mid 14 sec car. | Huh, guess I forgot to tag my signature to any of the posts I put. My bad! It was at 87.00 mph. I wish I could do all that fun stuff right now, getting the cowl induction hood keeps slipping further and further away. Funds just ain't where they were at before. I'm lucky if I can even get the parts for the open element anymore. Maybe I can start a "Rally Sport Comemerative Upgrade 10K" or something..... 
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Only mods Flomaster 40series muffler... --1/4mile = 15.3 @ 87.00mph--  See Her In All Her Beauty Here!! | |
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04-17-2003, 12:08 AM
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| Pony, I bought the Edelbrock #4207 (14x3) open element and installed it, it has places for your PCV to attach to the housing just as it did before, but you will have to punch the indentations out. I left my PCV hanging out as it did before, just pointed it away, I will put some sort of breather cap on it eventually.
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91 RS, Primer, Ttop, 4in cowl hood, MSD 8.5's, open air element (Edelbrock Elite Series 14")K&N air filter, yokos on the front and back, RAM clutch, Jet Stg 1 chip, full exhaust (done before i got the car, no-name brand, but a new edelbrock muffler)and Spohn Torque arm, panhard bar, and sway bars.
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05-01-2003, 04:56 AM
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Car: 90' Camaro RS/03' Chevy S10 Engine: 5.0L 305 TBI/2.2L of FURY! Transmission: T-5/T-5 Axle/Gears: 3.23/?? | DONE!! (finally...)
WOOHOO!! I finally got that d*mn thing on there! For some reason I thought it was going to be more than $30 dollars, and that the installation was going to be more of a pain in the @$$, but I was way wrong!  I'll be getting ahold of a digital camera before to long hopefully so I can take some pics of my car and take a couple of my engine. Show off my shiny Edelbrock for the whole world to see. Thanks for all the help you gave me guys!!
(Now if I could just afford the new hood....)
__________________ "The INFAMOUS Bruce" Gun-Metal Grey 1990 Camaro RS L03' 305 TBI 5 speed One Of Only 2,787 Produced!!
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05-04-2003, 04:46 PM
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Car: 1991 RS Engine: 305 TBI Transmission: auto | Devilsadvocat,
What exactly does the AIT do, and why away from heat sources?
That is the one thing that has been nagging at me since my open element change.
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05-04-2003, 07:21 PM
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Car: 2002 Z28 Engine: LS1 Transmission: 4L60E Axle/Gears: 3.23 | The IAT sensor lets the computer know the temperature of incoming air. I believe if the computer senses hot incoming air, it will lean out the fuel mixture a bit. | |
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05-05-2003, 02:35 AM
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Car: 1991 RS Engine: 305 TBI Transmission: auto | Thanks, maybe if I move mu AIR sensor it might run a little better. | |
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05-05-2003, 08:57 AM
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Car: 90' Camaro RS/03' Chevy S10 Engine: 5.0L 305 TBI/2.2L of FURY! Transmission: T-5/T-5 Axle/Gears: 3.23/?? | ALRIGHT!! The whole reason I started this post is finally a reality. And here it is...
__________________ "The INFAMOUS Bruce" Gun-Metal Grey 1990 Camaro RS L03' 305 TBI 5 speed One Of Only 2,787 Produced!!
Only mods Flomaster 40series muffler... --1/4mile = 15.3 @ 87.00mph-- See Her In All Her Beauty Here!! | |
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05-05-2003, 09:00 AM
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Car: 1991 RS Engine: 305 TBI Transmission: auto |  :rockon: | |
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05-05-2003, 09:09 AM
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Car: 2002 Z28 Engine: LS1 Transmission: 4L60E Axle/Gears: 3.23 | looks good man | |
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05-05-2003, 11:49 AM
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Car: 1990 RS Engine: 305 Transmission: T-5 | Template for coil bracket
If anyone needs it, I have a template for the bracket I made to reposition the coil when I added the open element to my TBI.
It bolts directly to the existing location, and then mounts the coil to the side of the distributor....eliminates the risk of contact and fires.
I don't have a scanner, but am willing to mail a template at no cost if you send a stamped addressed envelope (pm me for the address), or if you like, I can fab bracket up for you for $20.00 ea plus s&h. | |
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05-07-2003, 12:05 AM
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Car: 91 Camaro RS aka Project Darkhorse-Currently on life support awaiting to be reborn. Until then a 93 Pontiac Sunbird LE Engine: Almost stock L03, 2.0L Transmission: 4L60, Carppy Slushbox Axle/Gears: 2.73 | Something that's been bugging me
What about the gaping hole in the exhaust manifold? | |
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05-07-2003, 05:39 AM
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Car: 90' Camaro RS/03' Chevy S10 Engine: 5.0L 305 TBI/2.2L of FURY! Transmission: T-5/T-5 Axle/Gears: 3.23/?? | Re: Something that's been bugging me
Quote: Originally posted by darkhorse91
What about the gaping hole in the exhaust manifold? | The what?
__________________ "The INFAMOUS Bruce" Gun-Metal Grey 1990 Camaro RS L03' 305 TBI 5 speed One Of Only 2,787 Produced!!
Only mods Flomaster 40series muffler... --1/4mile = 15.3 @ 87.00mph-- See Her In All Her Beauty Here!! | |
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05-07-2003, 05:59 PM
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Car: 1990 RS Engine: 305 Transmission: T-5 | The hole is simply a stove...there is no flow of air or gas other than from convected heat rising from the manifold.
You can just leave it open as many do, or make a custome plate to fit, which is what I will be doing. | |
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05-08-2003, 06:23 AM
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Car: 90' Camaro RS/03' Chevy S10 Engine: 5.0L 305 TBI/2.2L of FURY! Transmission: T-5/T-5 Axle/Gears: 3.23/?? | Still don't know what hole your talking about, can you see it in the pic I posted?
__________________ "The INFAMOUS Bruce" Gun-Metal Grey 1990 Camaro RS L03' 305 TBI 5 speed One Of Only 2,787 Produced!!
Only mods Flomaster 40series muffler... --1/4mile = 15.3 @ 87.00mph-- See Her In All Her Beauty Here!! | |
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05-08-2003, 08:45 AM
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Engine: slowtacular L03 305 Transmission: slushem 700r4 | He is talking about the heat riser that comes out of the heat shield over the exaust manifol and with a tinfoil tube or what ever it is, runs up to the stock airbox and is supposed to help the car warm up faster in cold weather.  | |
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05-10-2003, 05:05 AM
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Car: 90' Camaro RS/03' Chevy S10 Engine: 5.0L 305 TBI/2.2L of FURY! Transmission: T-5/T-5 Axle/Gears: 3.23/?? | Ohh ok, lol, I got it. I'd like to take that little piece off, kinda pointless now, and it looks bad...
__________________ "The INFAMOUS Bruce" Gun-Metal Grey 1990 Camaro RS L03' 305 TBI 5 speed One Of Only 2,787 Produced!!
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