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That may be a tall order for a third gen. With the hub mounting hole where it is, one jusy cut out all of the strength for the struts...If you notice the mounting places for upper control arm for a fourth gen are much higher/different than a third gen strut mount. Exactly where the 2.75" hole is for the fourth gen. hub mount, that is where the strut mount wants to be for a third gen. This puts the engineering of the spindle system in a dizzy, now trying to solve ten other strength, and shear problems.

my two centavos (less than two cents at the current exchange rate - ha ha.)

~Ed~

Im in

Updated dropped Spindle list, Rev. 3.0.3

Acescarrs
Firedawg 225
Duron Clocker
Oil Pan 4
MikeB85TA
Cocacolakidd
See Ya
Tom P
Texas LT1
88 IROC ZZ4
OneBad Z4U
Whitecamrs
V6Toy
XCeleratemaro
Dewey 316
Inwo
Swiftshifter87
Scooter
Blyth-18md
CDH67
87CIZ
XaviarRahl
budMcManus
dwright
mightymaro94
noianr0413
kandied91Z
MrDude_1
vejatabul
11 Flat
Icecold
Super_kev
IROC-Z28_Camaro
CrimsonDragon
MikeyDZ28
Super_kev
C Murda
88IROCZ24
86LG4T56
KhaotikRaje
911RSQ
Fast377
Maroon-IROC-Z
irocstang
Badboy
1986LT1Boy
john8169
bud mcmanus (two sets)
David Auster
LT1LE
Joe87Vert

Thanks every one, this puts out list over the 50 mark, at 52 - Let's keep up the work and spread the word...
~Ed~

these should compensate for the lift if you do an LSx swap that's the reason I'm in I've got a prokit and the car will still sit almost stock in the front after i swap engines. but with these they will lower it an additonal 1.8 inches. Which comes out to be about what an LSx engine raises the front end of the 3rd gen so these would be great for people that don't want to cut springs. just an observation

Great news here! I just got off the phone with Anthony Jones of AJE Racing Ent. He is stating that the Dropped Spindles will go into production around the middle of March - Hurray. It's been a long wait, and search, but the spindles are on their way.

What we are going to wind up with is a Dropped Spindle (1.8" drop) that will accept our stock/OEM struts, steering, and brakes. For those of us that want to use the LS1, C5, or C6 braking systems - because the stock/OEM caliper mounting holes are smaller, and this smaller size is what they will be produced with, we will drill out the holes to 12mm x 1.75 for the caliper mounting brackets, and be able to add a backing/lock nut on the reverse side for extra strength, or security. These spindles actually are stronger than the stock/OEM spindles. All struts, including some of the racing strange struts will fit... Stock/OEM steering will fit.

These struts are also lighter by 3.5 lbs over the stock/OEM strut, and made of better/stronger metal, and with the weld filler material/process the tensile strength goes way up also.

Anthony says he has produced his spindles for over four years now with no problems. Even with 10 second, wheel standing, ground pounding, monster cars. Some of these cars were even Mustangs - but we can forgive him for those...ha, ha.

So I hope for all this is great news - I know I have waited a long time for them...~Ed~

Any news on GP price? I know you were unsure of because of the list of people but since you just talked to him what are we looking at. If it's under 300 then I am in.

When can we see exact brake mount diagrams. Before I am will to say I am for sure, I NEED do know my brakes will be workable with this setup. Since the 1LE spec modifications, use 1 of the dust shield holes, Knowing and seeing the exact mounting of the brake system is a must for me, before I buy.

Have you seen the price of replacing a hub? That is a stupid idea. With the modified rotor, cut into a hub for brake swaps, we can change bearings. The LS1 hubs are crazy expensive, and you have to replace the whole hub for new bearings.

The OEM/stock hole location is the same for standard brakes, 1LE system, LS1 system, C5, and C6 - only because there is a size difference, stock/OEM brake mounting holes being the smaller, that is what the spindles will come with. We then can drill & tap to a larger size on these existing holes for our different systems...See attached pic. of the 1LE high performance upgrade...same holes on all. Instead of drill&Tapping the 3/8"x24 UNF, we will go with the 12mm x 1.75 - The holes are there we just need to enlarge them...If we were able to get the old Bell Tech p/n 2200 Dropped Spindles we would have to do the same thing, and maybe more...

~Ed~

I know, but in the pictures a couple of pages back, they was not the cutaway near the ears. With that cutaway, the brackets and calipers will not clear properly.

Why not? Mine clear, as does all who have upgraded to the bigger brake systems

If one had the Bell Tech Dropped Spindles how would one mount the 1LE, LS1, C5, and C6 if they didn't fit?????

Notice it is a solid plate. It is not shaped at all like the stocker is. So long as I can verify that the spindel will work with my adaptor plate, and brakes. I am all for it. But the pictures provided, look like the mounting would be no where near what is needed for the aftermarket kits.

Hopefully they will provide is more detailed info on the pieces going into productions. Since they are already at the production stage, it is not unreasable for them to have a finished prototype. I hope they would post pictures, and more detailed specs, before we all commit to paying them.

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That awsome until you have replace wheel bearings. Then you are looking at $160 vs $30.

The LS1 Hub assembly is a mute point, as they will not fit any way - The strut mounts are in the way...~Ed~

I must also know which brake conversions will work before I'll commit to these spindles. Also, some real world feedback by some folks actually using this product may sell me. For now I'll sit back and watch.

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count me in for a pair. As soon as they are available!

Updated dropped Spindle list, Rev. 3.0.4

Acescarrs
Firedawg 225
Duron Clocker
Oil Pan 4
MikeB85TA
Cocacolakidd
See Ya
Tom P
Texas LT1
88 IROC ZZ4
OneBad Z4U
Whitecamrs
V6Toy
XCeleratemaro
Dewey 316
Inwo
Swiftshifter87
Scooter
Blyth-18md
CDH67
87CIZ
XaviarRahl
budMcManus
dwright
mightymaro94
noianr0413
kandied91Z
MrDude_1
vejatabul
11 Flat
Icecold
Super_kev
IROC-Z28_Camaro
CrimsonDragon
MikeyDZ28
Super_kev
C Murda
88IROCZ24
86LG4T56
KhaotikRaje
911RSQ
Fast377
Maroon-IROC-Z
irocstang
Badboy
1986LT1Boy
john8169
bud mcmanus (two sets)
David Auster
LT1LE
Joe87Vert
Fast377

Thanks every one, this puts out list over the 50 mark, at 53 now - Let's keep up the work and spread the word...
~Ed~

I have a couple of suggestions. One is to alphabetize the list to bring up double listings. I didn't have word or excel handy so the list may not be complete, please recheck.

Also, I think more people like me would join in if some of the different brake set ups were actually installed on sample spindles to show that they will indeed work.


11 Flat
1986LT1Boy
86LG4T56
87CIZ
*88 IROC ZZ4
*88IROCZ24
911RSQ
Acescarrs
Badboy
Blyth-18md
*bud mcmanus (two sets)
*budMcManus
C Murda
CDH67
Cocacolakidd
CrimsonDragon
David Auster
Dewey 316
Duron Clocker
dwright
*Fast377
*Fast377
Firedawg 225
Icecold
Inwo
irocstang
IROC-Z28_Camaro
Joe87Vert
john8169
kandied91Z
KhaotikRaje
LT1LE
Maroon-IROC-Z
mightymaro94
MikeB85TA
MikeyDZ28
MrDude_1
noianr0413
Oil Pan 4
OneBad Z4U
Scooter
See Ya
*Super_kev
*Super_kev
Swiftshifter87
Texas LT1
Tom P
V6Toy
vejatabul
Whitecamrs
XaviarRahl
XCeleratemaro

Is the steering arm still for the rack system? How is the standard steering linkage going to be fitted?

When is the cut off date to join in on the group purchase?

Thanks,
Terry

so when are these things supposed to be available?

I am going to contact A. J. in the next day or so to see when production will start. hopefully soon. I do remember when we at TGO made a group purchase for some 9bolt Girdles. Six months rocked by before they were ready for sale, but it was worth the wait, they were beautiful.

~Ed~

The new Dropped Spindles will have adaptors that will make them ready for our standard steering, or without the adaptor for Rack & Pinion, which ever one you want.

I do not have a program to alphabetize the list - So I cut & Paste, with a little editing, and we have list 3.0.5 -

11 Flat
1986LT1Boy
86LG4T56
87CIZ
88 IROC ZZ4
911RSQ
Acescarrs
Badboy
Blyth-18md
Bud McManus (two sets)
C Murda
CDH67
Cocacolakidd
CrimsonDragon
David Auster
Dewey 316
Duron Clocker
dwright
Fast377
Firedawg 225
Icecold
Inwo
irocstang
IROC-Z28_Camaro
Joe87Vert
john8169
kandied91Z
KhaotikRaje
LT1LE
Maroon-IROC-Z
mightymaro94
MikeB85TA
MikeyDZ28
MrDude_1
noianr0413
Oil Pan 4
OneBad Z4U
Scooter
See Ya
Super_kev
Swiftshifter87
Texas LT1
Tom P
V6Toy
vejatabul
Whitecamrs
XaviarRahl
XCeleratemaro

With the editing it puts us at the 49 set mark. This is good as more will probably want them when they become available, and are already on several of our rides...

~Ed~

So you can get them to work with stock steering, or with a rack? I wonder if it is possible to get one with BOTH options. I'm going to be using the stock steering, but my kmember is set up for a rack. It's just going to be a while before I get a rack...so both options on the same spindle would be nice..for me anyway.

I am still waiting for a more defined answer on the brake mounting. They don't seem to be very forthcoming with information.

The Dropped Spindles will handle our stock steering with the OEM Steering adaptor. If then you take off the steering adaptor one can use a Rack & Pinion Steering with the same dropped spindles...So again, use either system with this Dropped Spindle.

On the different brake set ups it will be like OEM/Stock spindles. The holes are there but they will need to be drilled larger for the different brake systems. The holes are made for the smaller sized OEM Brakes, or 1LE. To adapt for the LS1's, or C5's,or C6's the hole is enlarged to the approperate size. This has been stated a couple of times before.

~Ed~

So, my stock 1le brakes will fit without drilling?

This is the way I understand it - They are custom built to mount the 1LE type brake systems. Because the other brake systems use larger mounting bolts/hole sizes, the spindles are pre drilled for the 1LE,or the smaller size. (i.e. one can always go to a larger size, but not visa-versa). I'm hoping to be in contact with Mr. Jones on Monday to see when production will begin ...Soon.

~Ed~

Man, that is perfect!!! I can use my gearbox for now, my rack later, and pretty much any brake setup. Perfect!!

was going to go in on this but its taking forever. I still might if it ever goes through. For now im going in on the Umi weld lca relo bracket gp going on in the gp area. Hope this comes to reality one day soon

irocstang.

Our Dropped Spindles for Third Gen cars is definitely under way. Anthony Jones is getting all setup to start production in the next four to six weeks. Machines are being set-up, and materials are being ordered. When production starts a 50% down for the order will be placed, and then the final amount to be paid at shipping. Soon, soon we will have them. It's been a long road of searching, and talking to many manufacturers, but finally they are going to be the real thing.

There have been many questions about the different braking systems that we use. These dropped spindles are not going to be any different than if we found a set of the old Bell Tech Dropped Spindles. We can use stock/OEM brake systems, also known as the 1LE system. For the other systems, LS1, C5, or C6 we will drill the smaller holes out to fit with our particular brake system (Correct position, correct plane). My self I'm running the LS1 system with C5 Calipers. So I would drill out the smaller holes to, and tap to 12mm x 1.75, and then mount my brake system. I would re-use the same hubs, Calipers, and discs that I have now. Another interesting thing that was discovered with these dropped spindles is that one can add backing/security lock nuts on the back side of the mounting bolt. In other words, when one mounts the adaptor plate for the calipers, make the mounting bolts appropriately longer to allow a backing nut (Allot of engineering studies tell us that two revolutions of threads beyond the backing nut is sufficient strength) - This is added security for our brake systems.

On the use of our sock/OEM steering there will be an adaptor for this use. So we can use our standard steering, or dismount the adaptor and use a rack system. So either way one can choose what type of steering system they want.

Well there we have it - They are under way. ~Ed~

What is price?

Also when do we have to put the 50% down?

The absolute final price has not been determined yet. Machine set up, material costs, and cnc parts quantity orders are a determining factor - We will know soon what the final price is. I am hoping to get them very close to the $300.00 mark for the set. That is if we are able to order close to the 49 to 50 sets mark that we have on the list. Some may place their orders right away, while others may lag behind to see what is happening with every thing. We will see what we see at that time.

I still think that price is obscene.

How was belltech able to offer them so much cheaper? Would the price of these go down after start up costs have been recouped?

This may be a stupid question, but what type of springs would I need to run with these spindles?

Right now I'm running 1"3/4 drop springs all the way around, and I'm thinking of going with a set of Bilstein HDs as well.

Would I have to run stock springs?

Would I still want to go with the Bilsteins?

I wanted to buy a set of dropped spindels three years ago, but had no luck finding any. If someone can answer my questions, and help me choose the right suspension setup, then I'm a definate buyer...just another drop in the bucket!

With these Dropped Spindles they will put your car at 1.8" drop in front with stock springs. With your 1 3/4" drop spring, and the dropped spindle both at the same time, that would put your car at about 3 1/2" down in front. This is close enough to the pavement to roll a beer can in front of the car. One would be going around the block to avoid any speed bumps often. Look up the word ""Slammed" in the Hot Rod Dictionary, .he, he. Stock springs in front with the dropped spindles, and the lowering springs in the back to even it up. Unless one is into a big rake in the front (High in back, and low in front), then it would be stock springs all the way around. With the stock springs, and the dropped spindles in the front then lowering springs in the back gives the car a very slight rake that is almost unnoticeable - hard to measure even. The dropped spindles put the steering geometry back to where it was supposed to be, along with better alignments also.

Billsteins are good with, or without the dropped spindles...some of the best!

~Ed~

What kind of difference in geometery are we talking about?

Also, I've heard that alot of people have had clearence issues with the air dam when dropping 2" in the front. With the drop I have right now, I NEVER have problems with scraping, would the spindles cause possible issues?

Finally, I thought that the spindles gave a 2" drop, if they only give .05" more of a drop than what I have now, then would they really be worth the trouble of swapping?

I'll buy a set either way, so if I don't use them I can still sell them, just wondering...

Drop spindles shouldnt change any geometry, that is one of the appeals of getting them. Granted any suspension/steering change should call for an alignment.
As far as scraping, my exhaust scrapes more with my drop springs than the air dam, I would still try and avoid speed bumps either way.

I was referring to the geometery change from the drop springs to the dropped spindles.

As stated I don't currently have any clearence issues, I have read in other threads that people with the 2" dropped spindles did however have cleareance issues.

so you would need an alignment again, and 2" should be 2" whether it is springs or spindles. But with spindles you dont lose the strut travel

with springs you gain negative camber when lowering. With spindles you retain factory camber settings. It may be possible to correct the lowing spring camber with camber/caster plates, I'm not sure though. But this is good for anyone who has thought about lowering but don't want to mess up the suspension.

It also lets you retain your stock bump-steer geomitry, along with stock roll-centers...

Could someone elaborate on bumpsteer and roll-center???

Never mind , I found answers to those questions.

I guess the only questions that I have left are:

1 - Who makes the best front springs to go with this setup?

2 - What "stock" springs should I go with? I've heard that certain models have different ride heights, like the irocs for instance.

just got on the forum today.

was actually wondering about spindles. i'd be down for a set. as i have some crazy plans for my '86