O.K. boys & girls , this question is bugging me to no end . i have a 91r/s with the hi rise wing . getting my car ready for club meet a young neighbor commented " i thought only the iroc/z had the hi-rise wing " ? he seemed to know camaros pretty well . i told him as far as i know my car is original . was the hi-rise wing installed on r/s or only on the iroc/z ??? it is a 305 TBI , T-5 , F41 rpo code . it is a low option car , and did not have the spoiler replaced . all vin #s match as , i check all i find . any thought's or info ???

im not entirely sure how to answer this. the hi rise was continued all the way to 92, and the iroc stopped production in 90. so there if that helps >.>

Hey tom, To my knowledge that spoiler was made for Z28s only. Your neighbor needs to know last IROC was in 90. Guess answer leads to more questions then.

Only the 91/92 Z28 had the Hi rise.
as said above IROC was discontinued in 90 and went back to the Z28 name in 91

i understand that the iroc name was taken away . i was not sure what year . that said , why do i have an r/s with a hi-rise wing when only the Z's should have them ? is it because of the F41 rpo code ? thank's in advance .

"All 1991 Camaro's had redesigned ground-effects panels. Z28 Coupes were equipped with a new, much taller rear spoiler. RS Coupes had the same spoiler style as 1990" From camarosource.ca
great site with a lot of info.
the previous owner must have changed it.

hey u can look up what the code means just google like 1984 camaro code breaker/decoder or something. theres plenty of websites out there that can tell u. or you know it coulda been a custom manufactory add on through a dealer or something...

Only 91-92 Z28's got the tall spoiler. If your RS has it that means somebody added it at some point.

+1 to what Denny said. Somebody added it at some point. One way you could check is look signs of holes being filed on the rear quarters. Take a look inside the spare tire well at the back, my guess is you'll find either welding marks or something like that.

Post of a pic of your wing. I suspect there is a miscommunication between the taller spoiler of the later years & the "F40 wing" of the later years.

The earlier cars had shorter lip spoilers than the later years. Is he calling the tall lip spoiler a "Hi-Rise"? Or do you have the tall, 4 pedestal, "F40 wing", that was only on 91/92 Z28s?

Are you sure that's his car? Check out the ground effects, that's not a '91.

Also the 91-92 had the third brake light in the window, not in the spoiler...

He mentions the "Wing" so I suspect that is not his car. As for the originality... who knows at this point, it could be argued that the hatch was changed, or it could be argued that the spoiler had been changed. Of course if he has the original VIN decal on the hatch and it matches his VIN and the extra holes for the regular spoiler are absent, it may have been a production mistake... Anything can happen...

John

Now I'm questioning where in the world I found that last night. Can't find it this morning!

If that turns out NOT to be his car, I will Edit my post above & remove the pic to avoid any future confusion. Hopefully Thirdgen Ranch will do the same to his reply quotation post.

that is not my car in the pic. . i have had an 83z , 89r/s , 88s/c , and now an 91r/s . 83z - low lip spoiler , 89r/s - higher lip spoiler , 88s/c low rise wing , 91r/s high 4 pedestal rise wing . that being said , i am a bit aware of the differences in year and model . thats why i am a bit puzzled and the reason for my question . today i finished putting interior back together after paint . i had removed tailights for paint so yall know the covers inside that had to be removed . no holes filled from possible spoiler to wing conversion . all paint colors match , all vin# tags i have found match , 3rd brake lite inside top of hatch glass , leading edge of hatch approx. 4" from metal to center of wing , trailing edge approx. 5" to center . it seems my car might be some sort of a mutant . any other thoughts ??? thanks , will try and post some pics. when i can get some to show me how . ( i'm an old phart , ck. my profile ) thanks ..... P.S. that is my car in post # 15 , thanks brian .

Just to clarify it is the bigger spoiler of the last two years of production as seen in the picture. I had always thought that it was an add on Tom. Thought occurred to me today since you have all the codes. Does anyone know the code for the supposed only spoiler for the RS's in 91 and 92? D80 perhaps?
I still gotta agree with most, and that the most plausible explanation is the most obvious. Maybe whole back hatch was swapped?

well yes this has bugged me . i was ready to call PO , looking through paperwork i found dealer invoice . yes it is an r/s , yes it did come from the factory with the hi-rise wing . code D80 , looked it up on my parts CD and showed hi-rise wing . SO SOME R/S MODELS DID HAVE THE HI-RISE WING from factory . maybe i can call it rare , some people on ebay call rare for less . oh well , she is my last baby so you won't see me doing that . i will continue to drive and enjoy , thanks to all for response and comments . i'm happy to know that my baby is the real deal . thanks again .

D80 does not mean the High Rise. Do a little search for D80 and you'll find plenty of RSs with that RPO code.

Here is a B4C with the D80 RPO: http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/hi...c-non-1le.html

lol i love your signature

.....I'll be the first to congratulate you on having a rare factory optioned car

well i did a little more research . my parts CD shows "SPOILER , Compt L/Wdo Air (W/D80 ) (*1 ).........part# 20240406" . that shows the HI-RISE WING . i have the dealer invoice that lists D80 SPOILER , all things point to my car's hi-rise wing being factory installed . i'm by no means trying to start an argument , but to me it appears i am correct . thanks.............

just wants to point out i was right lol

In 1988, the only other year that had two spoilers, the D80 was the standard spoiler, the D81 was the wing spoiler... What does the RPO sheet say for the Z28?

You keep saying that the VIN decal on the rear hatch is still there...

John

What can I say, I showed you a B4C RS with the D80 RPO code and obviously not a High-rise spoiler. I am willing to bet that every 91 RS on this board has the D80 RPO code. Like okfoz said, D80 only differentiated anything in 88 when there where 2 spoiler options, D80, and D81. D80 for the RS was the wrap around, for the Z28 it was the high-rise.

If you look around everywhere they list no RPO code for a spoiler of any sort:

http://www.iroczone.com/specs/camaro/camaro91.html

D80 isn't even listed because it was on every car. That list comes from the Camaro White Book as far as I can tell under "1991 Options". Every sign I see points to that the RS was not available with that wing. Also, do you really think you'd be the only member to ever show up on this board with that option? I personally would think it would of been a rather popular option.

Is anyone with a 91-92 Z28 willing to speak up about what RPO they have on their SPID? If it has D80 then it may not matter, the Z28 may have overridden the regular spoiler to go with the high rise.... Just curious.

I mentioned that the D81 was used in 1988 on the SC's with the low wing spoiler...

John

A copy of Leonard's build sheet for his 1992 Z28 shows D81.

NO RS came with the Z28 spoiler. Take your rear side plastics off and post some pictures of the inside area. Id put $ on it the holes are filled. 99.99999% the previous owner had it done at some point. Your gonna have deck lid holes and quarter panel holes filled.

They wouldn't hold up one RS on the assembly line from getting holes punched in just to put a Z28 hi rise on it. Let alone take a RS off to the side. Fill the holes and put a Z28 Hi rise on it either.

Either way whats done is done. You have a Z28 hi rise on your car and thats cool.
Now post up some pic's of the car.

check all my previous posts , i have done/checked all of the above . this thread started as just a curious question . seem's it has turned into a debate . i did not intend this to happen . so i have an "E BAY SUPER rare car" , does not make that much difference to me . i just plan to drive & enjoy . ( i still feel , from the paper work & research that it came from the factory this way . ) lets let it die . if you do ck. all my previous posts on this thread , this car is not my first 3rd gen. rodeo . thanks for all the comments . cheers , it's happy hour .

You don't. The RPO for the High Rise is D81, as posted earlier. D80 is just the low normal spoiler.

Well you can think all you want you have a super ubber dubber secret 1 off mystery rare 3rdgen 1 of a kind car. fact is NO RS EVER came from the assembly line / factory with the AERO WING.

No DOCUMENTED car.....yet. But there is always a first! Let's remain skeptical without bashing him.

Is the VIN # sticker on underside of the hatch & on the inner part of the quarters? Do all the VIN #s match?

He already said he has a D80 RPO code. The High-Rise is D81, as per Leonards 1992 Z28.

OK...But if he has the "F40" wing, yet no filled holes in the quarters, how do you explain that?

Hatch could easily be swapped, so the lack of filled holes could be explained, but who's gonna swap the VIN stickers too? Chances are, they wouldn't even stay in 1-piece, much less re-stick.

I don't think he has said there are no holes filed, which is one thing we've been asking for all along.

It comes down something like until I see a SPID sticker that doesn't have Z28 and does have D81, it isn't a factory option. Same as until we have a SPID that says L98 and MK6 (I think that is the T5 RPO) we will stand behind no 350s with 5 speeds ever left the factory.

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/po...84-post14.html

That post summarized.......
"i had removed tailights for paint so yall know the covers inside that had to be removed . no holes filled from possible spoiler to wing conversion . all paint colors match , all vin# tags i have found match"

Ah, thanks I missed that part. I still stand by no RPO code, no factory option.

I think we often forget that there were Camaros with Firebird interiors, and Firebirds with Camaro interiors. It may have been a production mistake, while going down the line someone grabbed the wrong hatch, so instead of someone pulling the car from the line and installing the correct hatch, they went with it. There may have been a shortage for a day or two during production that one of the pieces for the regular spoiler was not available, so they used the high rise. These scenarios are NOT far fetched, there will be many instances of this that we will find. Is it technically correct? no, but is it possible, yes. Living in a GM town gives me an interesting point of view from talking to workers, engineers, designers, etc.

We cannot forget that these cars were not put together by computers but people, people are not infallible. With that said, and according to Uncle Tom there is no evidence to show that the car was any other way, who are we to argue that it did not come that way? The hatch is easily changed, the rear quarters are a little harder to fill in. I do know that there was a RS locally with the high rise spoiler, I always thought it odd, and thought that someone put it on from a wrecked Z28... It may not have been. It is hard to say without really going into the car and looking for evidence of a change, tom said there is no evidence of it, who are we to argue?

My 84 Berlinettas got a D80 Spoiler.

Show me pics of the inside of the rear quarters,..... then maybe I will believe it was a screw up at the factory. We are talking an 80's assembly line here; I highly doubt someone got an RS out the door with a Z spoiler on it. ( but I'll also admit that stranger things HAVE happened !)

A complete Z28 hatch could have been swapped onto the car and there would be no obvious changes from "factory" appearence. But if there are no holes for the 'duck fin' D80 rear spoiler in the rear quarters - that will be hard to dispute. ( If the rear quarters were welded-in than it would be pretty hard to hide that kind of work ! )

Pull off your spare tire cover, take the Spare tire out and show us some pics and PROOVE it !!

Verbatim from the "Camaro White Book" 1993

If his RPO code is D80 than the car originally got the same spoiler that most 82-92 camaro's had - Period.


Well - we are the real world "experts" so we are the ones to argue ! He came to us with the question. It's up to him to Proove the claim that he is making based on our collective knowlege. So far I have read more to support the fact that it was NOT factory equiped than it was. I believe that if it was an RS than it's got holes in the rear quarters ot would take 2 minutes to take pictures to proove me wrong. ( unless there's a coat of paint on the back of the quarter ! )

Well - we are the real world "experts" so we are the ones to argue ! He came to us with the question. It's up to him to Proove the claim that he is making based on our collective knowlege. So far I have read more to support the fact that it was NOT factory equiped than it was. I believe that if it was an RS than it's got holes in the rear quarters ot would take 2 minutes to take pictures to proove me wrong. ( unless there's a coat of paint on the back of the quarter ! )



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i have no claim to prove . it has no holes in the real quarters . i'm not going to take rear panels off again for pics. unless i have some reason to do so . ( damn i'm 70 yrs.old ) at this point i'm sorry i asked the "QUESTION" . it is what it is . i feel it may well be a factory " goof up " , o.k. ? lets let it die .

As far has RS had holes before assembly, Zs didn't.....

I wouldn't be at all surprised, like the replacement quarters you can buy, if ALL the Camaros started with no holes, then bodies that became RSs, got holes drilled. I almost can't imagine the assembly line having 2 different quarters in stock. Probably just 1, no hole, quarter. Then a robot arm came in & drilled the holes for an RS.

If no holes were drilled, it is hard to imagine that a Z wing ended up on there.

Easy computer error could ID'd that body as a Z, during body assembly.

You could easily take off the RH panel for the spare tire and take a pic from inside there...

It would put a lot of this to rest...

John

jesus the mans 70, i dont think its as easy for him. as everything else all these ppl argueing,why? he came to us for our positive input not to be bashed. im from the south and it may just be me but here we respect our elders, and i feel some of u need to pm this man and appologize,

No one else is making claims that their car is a 1 of 0 optioned car. It isn't disrespect, it's purely we REALLY want to get to the bottom of it. If you come here and say "I have this" and it isn't something that has EVER been seen before expect to get completely grilled on it. It the same anyone ever comes forward with what they think is a legit 350 5-speed, it get torn down to the most minute detail to find out what it really is or what happened.

1) What does Jesus have to do with it?
2) Like AmorgetRS said, we just want to get to the bottom of it... For me personally I am interested in it because it would show or not that mistakes on the line happened. I know that so many people do not want to believe it, but things like this could and did happen on the line. I have brought it up before, but I know of times at Buick in the 60's where they would run out of a screw and go ot a local hardware store to get them through the day... sure it was not like all of the other 364 days, BUT it did happen... I think it would be Awesome to have a car like this if it is legit. If he got us pictures then we could say Awesome, that is a one of a kind car... Of course assuming that it is as he said. We are not trying to bash him, just understand. UncleTom started that he wanted to get to the bottom of it, we are trying to help...

John

Unfortunately, this is how so many stories get started. Somebody claims to have a car with some "rare" option and some people will believe him with no proof at all. Until there are pictures posted of the inside of the quarters showing there are no filled spoiler holes along with the factory VIN stickers still in place I'll believe the spoiler was swapped at some point.

Mistakes can and do happen. It's possible that his RS got built with a Z28 spoiler and a Z28 behind it on the line got built with a RS spoiler but until I see some pictures I'm not going to believe it.

Is is possible the car left the factory with that spoiler? Yes

Is is likely? Not even close

Until we get some pictures, I cannot judge one way or another. It is not like he is claiming that he has an opiton from another year, like having 90 or prior ground effects. I would like some pictures before I go off the handle and say no way, living in a GM town, I know things happen... I hear about bottles welded in a car that rattled and until they torched the car they never found it. I guess that would be a factory option too...

John

I am willing to believe that the car might have been incorrectly tagged as a Z while being built. The holes I've seen are stamped, not drilled. Did the 1/4s get missed? who knows. Once the car got down the line and the rear hatch was to be installed, the assembly worker made the determination that the wraparound spoiler cannot be installed and had a high rise installed instead. Do I believe this is possible? You bet. We've all seen similar. Here's a SPID from a 91 Z28 with the D81 RPO. I recently read on a silverado forum that someone's windowsticker and rpo sheet said his truck had the Driver Information Center and something else. His truck didn't have either option. The something else was a major component that I don't recall, but wasn't something the dealer could easily swap. he bought the truck new and made GM install those options since he paid for them.