i have a Trans Am GTA.. its 1991 or 1992 definitely cz all the exterior body and look affirm that (bumpers,spoiler, ground effects, rear light....) by the way the rims looks painted in black... under the black it is obvious that the color is gold. paint looks to be superficial. the Main vin plate (under the windshield at the front) is missing. is there any place in that thing for any additional vin number ??

Are you trying to register the car? Every body panel should have a vin sticker inside of it, not always obvious. The engine if original along with transmission i believe should have the Identification number as well. There is no clean cut easy number to get like the one in the windshield, but there should be on the hood, fenders, front bumper, front bumper brace bar, doors, rear fenders, rear hatch, rear bumper brace bar, rear bumper along with the engine and tranny if original.

i have no problem in registration or paper work (by the way i live in Beirut - Lebanon, Middle East)

i bought this car 4 months ago... i registered the car back then and the previous owner (owns the car since 1994) said to me that he register the car as 1989 firebird to reduces fees (he removed the vin number and pay a small cash as bribe)... its file at the administration mention it as a 89 firebird and the registration number is a partial vin number for another 1989 firebird.

No 89 firebird will look or even perform as my car.


all that this stupid owner did was reducing the money need to be paid for registration from maybe 1200 $ back then to about 700$ and lost the ID of the Car.

i think all the parts are original .. the car is in great condition and the owner tells me that he didn't do any major fix to it all these years and i believe him

of course every part has a Serial number but there isn't any way to find.. or order... or identify the VIN number??

If he just filed that letter than you could do the math to get that letter/number back, but if it's been filed, you need to find the vin sticker in another place on the car. The easiest normally to find is the doors or hatch, otherwise the easiest to find on my car was the front bumper brace underneath the front cover, as the sticker was underneath the bar and easily seen, otherwise inside the fenders there should be a vin sticker unless they were replaced.

That just sounds fishy as all hell that someone would take a 2 year old car, remove the windshield just to save a couple hundred bucks...isn't a newer car cheaper because of air bags and day time running lights?!

mine is missing from there as well. but its stamped in the drivers jam(on the car, not the door) Carfaxed it...supposidely a theft recovery at somepoint... so thats why i figured it was missing.

For a quick answer to 84redta. In other countries as well as some of the states here, the cost to register a car is based upon the value of the car not the safety items. The older/cheaper the car the less it is to register it.

gotchya, makes much more sense, thank you

To the best of my knowledge, 91-92 cars don't have VIN stickers. That started in 87, and went away sometime after 89. I don't know if 90's have them or not, but my 3 91's don't.

I'd be looking for the SPID, or maybe a build sheet (probably not, since it'd be impossible to verify it's correct to the car). I'm sure there are partial VINs stamped in various locations on the car, but I'm not sure exactly where they are. Of course if the last 6 digits of any VIN that can be found also match the partial VIN on the engine, it'd be an educated guess, but still not 100%.

the best way to find the corect VIN is to look on the inside of body panels as told erlyer, i removed the spair tire panel and the sticker was on the inside of the 1/4 panel, hidden from view and protected from the elements....still looks new....thats how i got the VIN to run for a carfax because the plate in the windsheild was all messed up and you couldnt see it, the whole plate was a powdery gray color........