'82 Z-28 - Factory Color Scheme? - Page 3 - History / Restoration - Third Generation F-Body Message Boards

kboehringer · 12-30-2005, 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by camaro430sut
......... what color is the inner quarter on the pass side? .... matt

Matt,
The opposite side (Pass) is gold.

She must have been smacked pretty good! It looks like it was welded in just above and behind the Top of the Driver's Door Window, down the Door Edge, and all the way to the Bumper.
The welds look crisp and clean. The welder was pretty good.
Whomever did the repairs they were halfway decent as I didn't notice anything wrong from a performance or appearance standpoint previously. The only damage we ever found was on the Pass. Side Rocker and that was definately a result of running over something like a curb.

Now that I think about it...... one of the axle cross links(?) DR, Side had a little ding/bend it in and we replaced it. I though it looked like it was jacked improperly or something had been run over/backed over.... Maybe it was a result of whatever accident the vehicle was in?

Sincerely,
Kurt

camaro430sut · 12-30-2005, 09:03 PM

hmmmm, thats really interesting. i like workin on cars and findin out all the lil details about it. sounds like the work preformed on it was a real quality job.
matt

Lo-tec · 12-30-2005, 10:10 PM

Sounds like they replaced the whole quarter (unlike the a-holes that replaced 1/2 of mine the first time). The right way to do it.

FWIW, when I had my car painted:

-we removed the hatch and weatherstripping and painted the hatch separately.

-removed the strikers and other crap in the door jambs. My painter did the jambs and door cut-in while painting the car. We rigged up something to hit the doors so they didn't hit the jambs when closed.

-painted all the gfx, mirrors, spoiler, etc off the car.

-taped/papered off the interior/t-top opening to limit overspray.

-be prepared to remove the door glass when you're done. You will be amazed at the overspray that gets on it, especially at the belt line and below. You can clean it up with some 0000 steel wool.

I can't wait to see the results.

coolram62 · 12-30-2005, 10:36 PM

If you're taking her that far down to paint why not remove the windows from the doors and the windshield.This way you could clean/polish the side windows completly while they're out.With the windshield out the channel can be check for any rust spots(my '95 Jimmy had a couple the glass shop repaired when the y replaced the windshield).And you can install new weatherstrip and maybe think about a new windshield.it does make for a world or difference unless your's is very good and can be cleaned/polished.The hatch glass can be taped/masked inside and out if you don't want to remove it.

sellmanb · 12-30-2005, 11:07 PM

The quarter panel needing replaced sucks. I hope it got the frame fixed in the process (If it needed a whole new replacement quarter panel then chances are very good it bent the frame).

The damage was probably done in the 80's when the car was still newer, most quarter panel replacement jobs would definetly total out a 3rd gen camaro in the condition you picked it up in, so it had to have been the original, or 2nd owner.

Have you ever ran a carfax report on the Camaro? Or do you not have the right VIN numbers either?

The carfax report might come up with some interesting information!

Great job so far, you guys make me jealous... I havent even bothered touching my camaro for the last eh... month or two atleast lol.

kboehringer · 12-30-2005, 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by coolram62
...why not remove the windows from the doors and the windshield....

TGO Guys,

I sure wish we could remove the windshield. This is one serious problem area we should address.....The windshield was installed improperly and should be removed and re-installed. Apparently, it moved/slipped to the Pass. Side after it was installed. There is a large gap at the DRSide and NO GAP on the Pass.Side. In addition, the plastic trim was never installed. I may yet pull the windshield but Im trying not to get tooooooo carried away.

Really, we were hoping for a DECENT paint job. Heck, anything would be an improvement over what she looks like now. But this was not planned to be the FINAL live with it forever paint job. Derek and I thought we might get a little crazier in a year or two maybe even pull the motor back out and do the engine bay and every hidden nook & cranny.

According to the Painter Guy the better we do the prep....The Better the paint (OBVIOUSLY!) We are on a pretty limited budget so I can't ask the guy to get toooo carried away. I know the painter will do a final wash and wet-sand but he's not prepared to fix/repair anything major we missed. Because we are doing a pretty decent prep. we should end up with something much better than the $250 Ambassador Paint Job from MAACO..... We're not expecting a $3000 paint job...... Just something Derek can be proud of.

So far we've removed and prepared....
Door Window Sweeps & Seals
T-Top Seals & Center Trim (Blasted Primed & Painted)
All GFX (Front, Sides, Doors, R.Qtrs. - Primed &Wet Sanded)
Antenna (Rust Damage Repaired)
Turn Signals & Side Markers (Painted & Polished)
Mirrors (Sandblasted, Primed, Wet Sanded)
Fuel Door (Primed & Wet Sanded)
Front Inner Fender Splash Guards
Functional Cross-Fire Scoop (Cleaned Plastic Welded & Painted)
Emblems (Nose, GFX, Tail)
Wipers & Cover Screen
Grills & Plate (Cleaned & Painted)
Plastic Cover (in front of Hood Latch - Cleaned and Painted)
Rear Spoiler Pieces (3) (Need a little attention yet......)

Tomorrow we get:
Door Handles & Locks (Both! Thanks LO-Tec)
Remainder of the Interior.
Complete Wet-Sand (Bow to Stern - Port to Starboard)
MAYBE the windshield...... You got me thinking about that one.....
Headlamps, Tail Lamps & License Plate will be removed at the Painter's Shop.

For now....we have to deal with a budget.....AND WE'RE WAY OVER! I have been EXTREMELY tight-wad and still we're over $4000. We could buy a ThirdGen in decent shape for about 1/2 of that. We still need to purchase New Molded Carpet, Tires, & Center Caps for the Stock Rims. Regardless of the Budget..... Father & Son have been having a great time and that's made it worth every cent we (I've )

spend so far.

Sincerely,
Kurt

P.S. We're even cleaning & painting the LUG caps for the new wheels!!

scottmoyer · 12-31-2005, 06:52 AM

http://www.ecklerscamaro.com/winternational.asp

sellmanb · 12-31-2005, 12:10 PM

Kurt and Derek,

I wouldnt bother taking off the windshield this time around. It is a MAJOR pain to get to go back on. I'm not even sure if you can get the proper adhesive at many shops.

Effort, Time, Money > Effect in this case.

Any trim around the windshield should be removed for sure though. Just mask up the windshield good when you drop her off.

Just a thought... if you still have your original seat, you should probably put that in there with a big trash bag over it instead of a cover for your nice 4th gen ones.

kboehringer · 12-31-2005, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by sellmanb
I wouldnt bother taking off the windshield this time around. It is a MAJOR pain to get to go back on. I'm not even sure if you can get the proper adhesive at many shops.

We purchased the Sealer (2-Tubes) and a "UNIVERSAL" seal as well as two pieces of Piano Wire for the removal. Seemed a little stupid to let this ugly crap go (see photo). We have to install the seal with the window as it clips around the edges. I think we may have gotten the wrong seal although the guy assured me this is what they use on all the Camaros.

Window is almost out...... more stories later....

Anybody got a close-up of the edge of their window????? We gotta check this seal.......

Sincerely,
Kurt & Derek

camaro430sut · 12-31-2005, 04:25 PM

there are two different types of factory seals. the 82's used a much smaller seal that ive heard isnt as good as the 85(?) and up seals. i just had my windshield replaced and the seal the glass company used it identical to my factory one and looks very nice. ill get ya a pic tomorrow. as far as replacing it yourself make sure you do some reasearch. i do colision repair and ive talk with the window guys and this is definatly something id leave up to them. youve go to make sure it seals right and theres special adhesion (sp) promotors you need to put on the glass and the car. im sure you guys could do it just take your time and research it. once you have the glass in the car with the seal on it tape down the corners on the top so te seal wont lift where it makes the curve. the glass guys had me do that to mine and then just pull the tape off once the urethaine dries.
matt

kboehringer · 12-31-2005, 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by camaro430sut
there are two different types of factory seals. the 82's used a much smaller seal that ive heard isnt as good as the 85........make sure you do some reasearch.......

Matt & TGO Guys.....
WELL.....It's DONE! As soon as I made the decision to remove and replace the seal we raced over to the Window Place to get the supplies before they closed for the Holiday. The seal is definately a little different than those we have seen on 82's but it's such a major improvement we could care less. We (mostly I) were SOOOOO scared we were gonna break it getting it out... but it wasn't that bad. Probably because it was not installed correctly to begin with!

I've replaced a windshield or two in the past but we asked the guy at the Glass place to give us a few pointers. He told us not to put anything on the window or the car except the sealant. He told us to scrape off everything we could and clean it with a dry (no chemicals) cloth. Apparently some cleaners or chemicals could screw up the special sealant. He also mentioned that we needed to place the glass on within 3 minutes of dispensing sealant from the tube. The seal actually came with a bit of sealant INSIDE the groove that fits over the window. As soon as it was attached to the window it was STUCK on there....

It looks really really good...... There was absolutely NO evidence of rust or corrosion under the window....That was a surprise! The rubber seal even covers some of the little chips the previous owner put into the under side of the glass (The window was probably used when it was installed the last time).

We are pretty confident that this new seal will be less prone to leaks and it was pretty darn easy to install the thing. THANKFULLY WE DIDN'T BREAK THE WINDOW!! and We Saved $200 doing it ourselves!!!!!!

Sincerely,
Kurt & Derek

kboehringer · 12-31-2005, 06:22 PM

This area is finally finished.....

Asdfga3 · 12-31-2005, 07:05 PM

Nice job, guys.

Any idea when the paintjob will be finished and ready?

coolram62 · 12-31-2005, 07:18 PM

Windshield job looks great guys.I'm glad you didn't find any problem with the lip area,especially since the windshield wasn't installed properly.The glass shop finding the problem with my Jimmy is why I asked in the first place(I waited while they installed and had to wait for 2 hours after for it to cure before they would let me leave).T-top bar looks very good too.Mine has some surface rust that can be repaired but I'm leaving everything as is until it can be done right.I keep her covered except when she goes out to stretch her legs.I have to repair her right quarter behind the door.I hopefully say repair but more than likely have to replace as there's damage in the jam too.

And thankyou scottmoyer I had completly forgotten about Ecklers.

kboehringer · 12-31-2005, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by Asdfga3
Any idea when the paintjob will be finished and ready?

We really don't know. The guy doing the work made a point of mentioning to us when he took a look at the car....."Drop if off and don't call me... I'LL CALL YOU"! He wanted us to drop the it off during the first week of Jan (post-holiday).

I can only assume he's had some Pain-In-The-Butt customers in the past. The guy is a line Manager at the Ford Assembly Plant in Atlanta. He does painting on the side. He has a pretty decent booth & workshop and was painting a two-tone '56 Chevy and a '65(+/-) Mustang when we were at his shop. The Old Chevy looked fantastic, the Mustang was primer only.

I think we can expect to get it back in about 2-weeks from the time we drop it off. He painted my friends Pick-Up truck and it was done in less than a week. He knows this is not a daily driver so we may wait a little longer..... We hope to drop it off on Monday Afternoon if we get everything ready......

Sincerely,
Kurt & Derek

sellmanb · 01-01-2006, 03:04 PM

Superb job guys! That windshield install looks fantastic! In my autobody shop it took me several times to get down the whole part of laying down the sealant correctly before I got it, sounds like you guys got it on your first try!

Really freshens up the look of it.

Curious why you guys didnt want to leave the windsheild off and just mask it up for when it was going to get painted? The rubber strip will have to be pulled back a little and taped for paint now, right?

kboehringer · 01-01-2006, 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by sellmanb
.....Really freshens up the look of it......Curious why you guys didnt want to leave the windsheild off ....

Bobby,
We thought about it briefly but we do need to drive the car about 15 miles to the painter's place. I don't think it would be legal to drive without it. It's also probably a lot safer (for the glass) if it's installed. I guess I was just plain uncomfortable leaving it out...

I am concerned about the painter getting any paint on it... It's nice and clean and soft... I hope it doesn't get any paint on it

!

BACK TO HISTORY AND RESTORATION:....
We have tried everywhere for GOLD emblems for this car. NO ONE and I MEAN NO ONE is offering GOLD emblems. If you want Silver or Gray.... NO PROBLEM! [GOLD .... FORGET IT! I'm now going to double-check every company ANYONE has ever mentioned ONE MORE TIME.... ANY IDEAS???

Sincerely,
Kurt

P.S. We missed it on the list posted above but we WILL be buying the reproduction stickers for the Lower Body.... No point spending the money today.... We'll wait till the car is back and mostly re-assembled.

coolram62 · 01-01-2006, 03:58 PM

I've looked thru most companies mentioned and you're right Kurt about the Gold emblems.I'm lucky mine are in good shape.The one emblem I haven't seen yet,or the decals for the side GFX,is the Crossfire Injection one for the back bumper.
Also the shade of black on the stripe on the tail lights.Would you say that's a low gloss black?Or would it be safe to say the black should match the end caps where the license plate lights are?The original ones on her are fading out but I got an excellent pair of Sport Coupe lights that I'm going to paint the stripe on.
On the stripes a lot of companies carry them.When scottmoyer mentioned Eklers I looked there and they carry the complete kit.

scottmoyer · 01-01-2006, 05:30 PM

The original lustre of the black stripe is about the same as black electrical tape. It's also about the same as the trim around the rear window.

Asdfga3 · 01-01-2006, 05:31 PM

Guys, have you looked through the part classifieds on this forum to see if anyone is parting an 82 you can nab the emblems off of?

coolram62 · 01-01-2006, 05:46 PM

Thankyou scottmoyer,I've started prep on the lights but wasn't sure of the right shade of black.I have a couple bulbs out so i would have to take the lights out anyhow so might as well do the swap.With me it's one little thing at a time.

kboehringer · 01-01-2006, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by coolram62
..... the end caps where the license plate lights are.....

Plate Lamp Brackets....
Hope you don't ever break one because there are some difference in these brackets. We found one (lucky day) to replace a broken one. We also purchased an additional newer set to prep for the restore. A previous owner put a couple stickers on the originals and cleaning and light sanding couldn't repair the damage the adhesive did to the plastic. Unfortunately, we could not find a "Plastic Compatible Paint" in a low gloss/matte finish. Ours are gonna be a little too glossy but it's better than sticker damage. We're still on the lookout for a set of '82/83's in real nice shape. I think the factory made the design change (see photo) as the hard plastic bumpers won't put up with much abuse.

TGO Want to Buy....GOLD Rocker Emblems
I've posted to the want to buy section and I usually send an e-mail to anyone parting out a early ThirdGen and mention my needs. I've also posted to Want-It-Now on E-bay. Still NO LUCK

Sincerely,
Kurt

coolram62 · 01-01-2006, 10:45 PM

That's good info on the plate lamp brackets.The set on her now are in good shape but the lights themselves having spidering in the lens.The ones I was kindly given when I bought my gold wheels are in better shape but the lights themselves are off a SC(maybe look for a set of these for better brackets for Derek's car).That's why I asked about the shade of black for the stripe.Scottmoyer said it's similar to black electrical tape in color which makes it a similar shade to the plate lamp brackets.I'm going to look around for likely matching paint then do some test cards to see.It may take some time to find the right one.May have to go to model paint to find a match but not sure how durable this will be.I have a low gloss engine paint that I believe is very close(Dupli-Color # DE1634 - Low Gloss Black)if you want to give it a look Kurt.It is an engine paint so i'll have to try it on my old lights first.Also make sure the water plugs are in the tops of each light section - soak them in silicone spray before you install them.