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12-27-2006, 01:11 PM
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Car: 1987 T-top Formula Color: Yellow Gold #51 Engine: 312 LB9 (was LG4) Transmission: 700R4 Auto 1st Place Class K '04 T/A Nats Axle/Gears: Saginaw 3.73 ······································· Car: 1987 T-top Formula Color: Yellow Gold #51 Engine: 305 LB9 Transmission: Manual 5sp Axel/Gears: Australia 3.45 ······································· Car: 1987 Formula 350 Color: Bright Blue Metallic Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: Australia 3.27 | Original Decals location. I want to make a record, if any one has an all original car, and it has the decals on the original parts, say under the hood on the engine, or on the wheels in one thread, I want to make a record of them
1) Where is the Decal
2) Take a pic,
3) What is on the decal,
4) Make note of any Codes on the decal, is it listed on the SPID sheet.
It would also help to have the Year of the car and whether its a Camaro or Firebird.
This might make a nice sticky
thanks
__________________ John okfoz[awk-foz] LAW OF LOGICAL ARGUMENT: Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
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12-27-2006, 03:34 PM
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Car: 1989 Camaro IROC Engine: 5.0l LO3 Transmission: Automatic 700r4 Axle/Gears: STOCK | 1) Correct, Permissable, dependable, trustworthy, finder of information in unusual places. He is very okfoz about his information
What does your name mean? Lol.
Oh and try this.
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12-27-2006, 10:17 PM
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Car: 1983 Camaro Z/28 Engine: LU5 305 CFI Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: J65/G80/G92-3.23 | The pictures Midwest has posted of his TTA is an excellent start for referencing decal style/placement.
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12-28-2006, 12:15 AM
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Car: 1989 Camaro IROC Engine: 5.0l LO3 Transmission: Automatic 700r4 Axle/Gears: STOCK | HERE YOU GO http://www.iroczone.com/techartspottersguide.html
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12-28-2006, 05:26 AM
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| Thanks Coolram - My wife thought I was nuts for taking pictures of stickers on a car, but what does she know?! I'll see if I can do the same for my '85 IROC as I did for the TTA ...
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12-28-2006, 07:42 AM
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Car: 1987 T-top Formula Color: Yellow Gold #51 Engine: 312 LB9 (was LG4) Transmission: 700R4 Auto 1st Place Class K '04 T/A Nats Axle/Gears: Saginaw 3.73 ······································· Car: 1987 T-top Formula Color: Yellow Gold #51 Engine: 305 LB9 Transmission: Manual 5sp Axel/Gears: Australia 3.45 ······································· Car: 1987 Formula 350 Color: Bright Blue Metallic Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: Australia 3.27 | Quote:
Originally Posted by I H8 WWD | Thats a really nice page, well organized, and a lot of good information. unfortunately thats not the stuff I want, what is on that page is good for someone who really knows little or nothing about the car and wants to get a feel for them.
What I am wanting is the nitty gritty, its the little things that go unnoticed by owners, or removed by dealers before they are sold. What really started this was I was gauking over an 87 Trans Am at the Dayton TA nats which appeared to have most of the decals in place under the hood, the little tags that label to the assembly line which part to install. Midwest Muscle added to this with his pics of the decals on the Rims showing the part number and the RPO.
For example did you know that there is suposed to be little decals wrapping the throttle cable, and the cruise cable. Also did you know that on each of the springs there is a label, also with the sway bars, On the Cold Air box there is alos a decal with a code. Thats what I am looking for.
Here are some pics, now that I had time to do them:
The first pic you can clearly see the 2 decals wrapping the throttle linkage and the Cruise linkage. If look closer you also find a part number which appears to be attached to the FUel rail supply tube.
The second pic I would be surprised if any one has missed this one, its for the AC unit, by the blower motor. THere is one on the AC compressor too, but I chose not to post that one.
The third pic you can see the date stamp on top of the radiator core end. Kind of interesting, but the Upper and lower Radiator tubes also have a date stamp... I had one for my 87, which had a late 86 stamp, but it had been crushed due to an accident when I bought my parts car. I could have used it but I did not figure it was long for life.
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12-28-2006, 07:45 AM
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Car: 1987 T-top Formula Color: Yellow Gold #51 Engine: 312 LB9 (was LG4) Transmission: 700R4 Auto 1st Place Class K '04 T/A Nats Axle/Gears: Saginaw 3.73 ······································· Car: 1987 T-top Formula Color: Yellow Gold #51 Engine: 305 LB9 Transmission: Manual 5sp Axel/Gears: Australia 3.45 ······································· Car: 1987 Formula 350 Color: Bright Blue Metallic Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: Australia 3.27 | Here are some more...
The first pic you can spot a decal hiding behind the Left relay, also there are some stamped numbers (part number) on top of the realays
The second pic, the Brake Master cylendar has a decal on the front, and hiding behind it there is one on the booster.
The Third pic, there is a decal on the Air box, hiding behind the Charcoal cansiter.
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12-28-2006, 07:52 AM
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Car: 1987 T-top Formula Color: Yellow Gold #51 Engine: 312 LB9 (was LG4) Transmission: 700R4 Auto 1st Place Class K '04 T/A Nats Axle/Gears: Saginaw 3.73 ······································· Car: 1987 T-top Formula Color: Yellow Gold #51 Engine: 305 LB9 Transmission: Manual 5sp Axel/Gears: Australia 3.45 ······································· Car: 1987 Formula 350 Color: Bright Blue Metallic Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: Australia 3.27 | And the last one.
I am kind of skeptical about this one, BUT the company that made the altinator was either Reime, or later called Delco Remie (not sure about spelling). Unfortunately thats the best pic of the decal I have.
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12-28-2006, 01:34 PM
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Car: 89 FORMULA 350 Engine: 4++cubic inches Transmission: built 700R4 3600non lock.. up now b Axle/Gears: 9" ford aluminum center chunk | Quote:
Originally Posted by okfoz And the last one.
I am kind of skeptical about this one, BUT the company that made the altinator was either Reime, or later called Delco Remie (not sure about spelling). Unfortunately thats the best pic of the decal I have.
John |
I believe that is a reman alt.. Mine just had the 2 letter code from the build sheet on it no decal.. my powersteering had a little sticker on it.. no code just a info decal about not prying on the unit..
There is also stickers with codes on them behind the dash, on the instrument cluster and one on the top of a auto trans.. the BW rearend had metal tags along with a paper type decal (stuck to the cover)with the build sheet code. shocks, springs and wheels had a code .. even the dizzy cap had a paper bar code on it.. Ill try to find all my old pics of low low mile TTAs
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12-28-2006, 01:55 PM
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Car: 1989 Camaro IROC Engine: 5.0l LO3 Transmission: Automatic 700r4 Axle/Gears: STOCK | I HAVE A DIGI
So I'll take pictures of EVERYTHING.....literally. Any sticker writing anything I find....I'll post up. Even if it doesnt look original....you never know.
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Originally Posted by okfoz And the last one.
I am kind of skeptical about this one, BUT the company that made the altinator was either Reime, or later called Delco Remie (not sure about spelling). Unfortunately thats the best pic of the decal I have.
John |
HERE THEY ARE http://www.delcoremy.com/Alternators.aspx
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12-28-2006, 04:25 PM
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Car: 1987 T-top Formula Color: Yellow Gold #51 Engine: 312 LB9 (was LG4) Transmission: 700R4 Auto 1st Place Class K '04 T/A Nats Axle/Gears: Saginaw 3.73 ······································· Car: 1987 T-top Formula Color: Yellow Gold #51 Engine: 305 LB9 Transmission: Manual 5sp Axel/Gears: Australia 3.45 ······································· Car: 1987 Formula 350 Color: Bright Blue Metallic Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: Australia 3.27 | THe logo Might be a D & R combined, therefore Delco Remy would apply. Obvously Delco Remy could have changed their logo since 1987,
If you look close at the Alt, the First word could be Delco, there appears to be 5 letters, but with small caps. The second word might be Remy as I can see the Y dip down at the end of the word, and there appears to be only 4 letters. It might be the original Alt.
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12-28-2006, 04:37 PM
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Car: 1983 Camaro Z/28 Engine: LU5 305 CFI Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: J65/G80/G92-3.23 | Okfoz it's amazing the number of stickers/labels/tags that come on a vehicle from the factory.But then every part has to have an inventory/tracking history.Once upon a time dealers did the prep before vehicles went on the lot,or especially for customer pickup,a lot of these were removed or washed off(now you're lucky if a car on the lot is clean).My '83 Z28 has the remnants of the paper code tags still.I'll have to look closer to see what is left on her.My '95 Jimmy has a label with a bar code on the firewall.And my '73 CST has a SPID on the top inner fender(at least it's more permanent than the console lid).It's odd how GM used them,at least on trucks,then quit using them.And in mid '84 they start using them again.
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12-28-2006, 06:44 PM
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Car: 89 FORMULA 350 Engine: 4++cubic inches Transmission: built 700R4 3600non lock.. up now b Axle/Gears: 9" ford aluminum center chunk | The main reason I think it might be a reman is because I bought a reman alt from the dealer with those markings.. that decal is warranty info I believe.
The ink stamp on the alt is a 2 letter code like DA,TY just like on the booster or master cyl . But like you said mine is a 89 not a 87 and things change LOL
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12-29-2006, 11:07 AM
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Car: Race car Engine: Internal Combustion Transmission: Static | Thats a reman alternator, no question. |
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01-02-2007, 01:14 PM
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Car: 1987 T-top Formula Color: Yellow Gold #51 Engine: 312 LB9 (was LG4) Transmission: 700R4 Auto 1st Place Class K '04 T/A Nats Axle/Gears: Saginaw 3.73 ······································· Car: 1987 T-top Formula Color: Yellow Gold #51 Engine: 305 LB9 Transmission: Manual 5sp Axel/Gears: Australia 3.45 ······································· Car: 1987 Formula 350 Color: Bright Blue Metallic Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: Australia 3.27 | Welll.... does any one have an original Alt to take a picture of? |
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01-02-2007, 01:27 PM
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| I have the original alternators on my 3,800 mile IROC-Z and the 1,200 mile TTA. I can snap pictures of either/both next time I'm over at the car storage facility if that would help ...
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01-02-2007, 06:38 PM
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Car: 87 IROC-Z Engine: L98 350 Transmission: 700-R4 Auto Axle/Gears: BW 3.27 | Here ya go John. You made me take the car cover off just for this pic. If you need more, let me know. |
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01-03-2007, 11:40 AM
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Car: 89 FORMULA 350 Engine: 4++cubic inches Transmission: built 700R4 3600non lock.. up now b Axle/Gears: 9" ford aluminum center chunk | yep thats the stamp I was talking about.. It matches the code on the build sheet... I have had rubber stamps made for redoing that kind of stuff.. |
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01-03-2007, 05:23 PM
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| Axle assembly tag from a 1992 Z28, L98, GU5 3.23 gear ratio (noted on tag as 13 X 42). |
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01-03-2007, 06:37 PM
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Car: 89 FORMULA 350 Engine: 4++cubic inches Transmission: built 700R4 3600non lock.. up now b Axle/Gears: 9" ford aluminum center chunk | WOW I have never seen a tag like that !!! nice work
I think I might have a adhesive backed paper sticker that was used on the 9bolt rearend cover in 89.. Ill have to do some digging |
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01-04-2007, 09:35 AM
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Car: 1987 T-top Formula Color: Yellow Gold #51 Engine: 312 LB9 (was LG4) Transmission: 700R4 Auto 1st Place Class K '04 T/A Nats Axle/Gears: Saginaw 3.73 ······································· Car: 1987 T-top Formula Color: Yellow Gold #51 Engine: 305 LB9 Transmission: Manual 5sp Axel/Gears: Australia 3.45 ······································· Car: 1987 Formula 350 Color: Bright Blue Metallic Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: Australia 3.27 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel Axle assembly tag from a 1992 Z28, L98, GU5 3.23 gear ratio (noted on tag as 13 X 42). | I guess it should be obvous, but to explain 42 divided by 13 = 3.23, the Ring has 42 teeth and the Pinion has 13 teeth.
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01-04-2007, 01:15 PM
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| A few for today, all of which are from a 1992 1LE Z28.
1. Transmission cooler line at the radiator.
2. Hose to secondary air injection bypass valve.
3. Cable to under hood light. |
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01-04-2007, 01:19 PM
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| More from the 1992 1LE Z28.
1. Positive battery cable.
2. Windshield washer motor.
3. Evaporative emissions hose at the charcoal canister. |
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01-04-2007, 01:21 PM
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| Last one for today. A small sticker on the blower motor assembly housing cover. |
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01-04-2007, 04:20 PM
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Car: 1987 T-top Formula Color: Yellow Gold #51 Engine: 312 LB9 (was LG4) Transmission: 700R4 Auto 1st Place Class K '04 T/A Nats Axle/Gears: Saginaw 3.73 ······································· Car: 1987 T-top Formula Color: Yellow Gold #51 Engine: 305 LB9 Transmission: Manual 5sp Axel/Gears: Australia 3.45 ······································· Car: 1987 Formula 350 Color: Bright Blue Metallic Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: Australia 3.27 | Very Cool |
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01-15-2007, 12:30 AM
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