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Are you planning on using 1 set on your 89 formula? Was your 89 produced before or after Jan 89? Let me know what you find out when you get them!
O-yeah, does anybody have any diagrams or info on disassembly? Our GM service manuals say replace as necessary with no helpful info.
If you read the instructions there is a slight change in mid 1989 HOWEVER it does state that the procedure is used for all of the cars thru 1990. Ref Page 5 in the posted images. (thats the 2nd page in the 2nd post. It gives the day and month that the change was made and how to determine what parts to use.
On my 82 Berlinetta, the (front) seat belts are not anchored to the floor anymore, is that what this is about, or something different? Thanks!
No, It is about the crappy plastic pieces they put the receivers together with. The red buttons are all faded and evidently fell apart on many.
OKFOZ, Thanks a bunch for the diagrams. With more research I found that there was a GM viss still available for my car. I printed the campaign which gives a special tool number to be used for the procedure. I just found out that this special tool (which we don't have) came with an instructional video (which we also don't have). I had my parts man work with SPX special tools and my cost on the special tool is $64. I am not sure if that comes with the instructional video but your diagram should help. One of my mechanics worked down the street at our competeing Chev garage when this recall took place. It has been many years since he did one but with everybodys help and assistance I'm sure this won't be too bad.
Thanks againg for the help! I am really happy to finally be getting this thing fixed!
Well I looked up my 89 RS and it said that was recalled for the plastic piece, but I looked up the 82 also and it said that the seatbelt may pull through the floor or something like that, I just am not sure if they are talking about front seat or back seat, I know it is different though for the 82 and the 89.
Well, I have the 90c22 bulletin on the computer on an old GM disk, but I can't copy and paste from the program. Check back later tonight and I'll print it out and scan it, then post it. Probably not a good way to put it on the BBS but it's the best I can do I think. Maybe I can scan as text and make it work. But the bulletin covers thru 1990 and serial numbers thru 134987 California cars.
And here I thought I'd already posted it above a couple years ago.
I was talking to my service manager friend a few days ago. He told me the district manager told him to order the parts and do the recall on my IROC. I was gearing up for a big fight...just gotta dig up the numbers and get the ball rolling. Gonna fix the seat belts and parking brake!
I freakin gave up on my local dealers, I had all the proof but the just kept blowing smoke up my hinney. I got smart and orderded the kit from moderndaymuscle.com for $17 and saved myself the time and hastle of the back and forth BS and had brand new seat belts.
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So I stopped by the dealership a couple of weeks ago to see if the seat belts came in. They couldn't repair them using the "button kit". So..they "found" complete black seat belts at a dealership and got them sent in.
I go to the parts desk and the parts manager drops 5 boxes on the counter. I'm thinking WTH????
He says sign here..see ya later.
I pick up the boxes and go out to my truck and look in them. I have 2 brand new buckles for the rear seat and 3 for the front!
i just found out about this when i called GM customer service, the woman said that i should go to thea dealership, i went and they inspected it and now im gettin the front belts replaced. so sweet because mine are all torn to sheite. itll be a couple of weeks b4 they come in but i cant wait, i love dealerships, they do a dam good job of washing my car.
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Either you make it yourself or you might be able to buy one from GM. Of course if you havea friend at a Chevy dealership you might be able to borrow one.
Here's a twist on this theme.
Sometime in early '87 a dealer told me about the recall. "We'll get the parts and call you." They never called. I checked with pontiac in the '90s and my car had been "done". The dealer went out of biz in the late '80s. The guy on the Pontiac 800 line was the opposite of helpful. 2007 and my car has a new 383 and is back on the road. The shoulder belts have never retracted right. It would be great to get them fixed, but will take finding the right folks to talk to. ANY SUGGESTIONS of how to approach G?. I tried the local dealer the other day and the Serv. dept proved to be very good at their job - paid butt holes.
Thanks-
Apparently there is a limitation of 10 years where a safety recal HAS to be honored.
With that said, there are a few options,
1) you can buy the parts and install them yourself
2) You can continue to argue with representatives and people who really do not give a crap and maybe eventually get soneone who cares.
3) You can leave it alone.
4) buy a cheep camaro which the recall had not been done, take it into the dealership and have them do THAT car, then transfer the hardware to YOUR car.
In any case it will take either Money or time to get it resolved. Since Pontiac decided not to keep their records on hand it makes this whole thing a PITA. I resolved to getting the new buttons for $3.00 for the whole set. You can order them thru GMpartsdirect, & some other online GM dealerships.
Apparently there is a limitation of 10 years where a safety recal HAS to be honored.
John
They tried that line on me John. If you read all the bulletins, inter office memo's, etc you will see in black and white where GM tells the dealerships that (my words) "the buckles might not be broken now, but when they do..fix them." There is nothing in any of the information I have that mentions a 10 year time limit.
that's where I got my info from. I might have missed it but after they tried the 10 year thing I went through all the info again and found nothing that mentioned 10 years.
They have a 10 year limit on recalls for non safety equipment is my understanding.
well i got the seatbelts, they are tan but im currently looking to sell those ones and trade with some black or red ones. i cannot believe how well the guys at GM customer service are, they phone me just about every day and give me an update, they make sure the dealership knows about it, and they even give me options for trading the tan ones for other colours. they are just an all-around great group of ppl and im glad to own a GM.
. i cannot believe how well the guys at GM customer service are, they phone me just about every day and give me an update, they make sure the dealership knows about it, and they even give me options for trading the tan ones for other colours. they are just an all-around great group of ppl and im glad to own a GM.
Are you sure this was a GM dealer? I've sure never dealt with one that came anyways near that!
oh this was canada GM, but even the US GM customer service was helpfull in getting me information and helping in locating some belts.
you know, from what i can tell, i must have a very flirty voice on the phone because when i phone anywhere, im always treated with great respect. so maybe if you phone them in a pleasant manner, they will be happy to accomodate you.
OK...For all those stealerships the claim they don't have to do the recall...I went to the source!
From me:
"I'm looking for documentation, that shows if there is a set expiration date, for safety equipment. Some friends have had their equipment replaced, with no questions asked, others have been told no, not even with a newer year, of the same model car.
Any assistance you provide, would be greatly appreciated."
NHTSA response:
"No. There is no such documentation nor any such expiration dates.
Notice it is from the CHIEF of the Recall Management Division?
Print this out, and dare a stealership to dispute it! I included his email address, so they can verify that this is true!
I contacted NHTSA online through the website, and the question was passed up the chain of command, to get the answer. I think I know where I'm going today!
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Stopped by a Chevy place today. The parts guy hunted & hunted...
"I don't have the campaign #s."
I had the NHTSA page printed out, with the campaign #.
I can't look it up by campaign #. Too bad for him, I had already done my homework. I had a copy of a GM reciept, with the part # on it. Then he tries to charge me for it. Sorry dude, it's a recall. It's free. And I had word, straight from NHTSA, and recalls don't expire, so don't try that line. He ended up saying he couldn't give me the part to install myself, I had to go through Service, set up an appointment, and they would do it. He sure was trying like hell to get out off giving me free parts.
"You'll need the VIN #."
He didn't realize, I was in the GTA, so it was in the parking lot! Fine, I don't even have to turn a wrench!
I get some "car taker" guy....He BARELY even spoke English! Combined with my disabled voice, it was a no win/no win situation. He gets the Assistant Manager.
"Oh, for a Recall, you'll have to set up an appointment."
So...I talk to HER (keep in mind, she makes the 4th person now, and a hour has passed!). After another half hour..."We are a Chevrolet dealership. You have to take it to a Pontiac dealership." WTF? I told her in minute 1, this was a PONTIAC anyways!
What BS!!! GM is GM. They wouldn't tell a Caddy owner, to go somewhere else! Hell no.
By this time, I had lost it! I told her EXACTLY how I felt, about the lack of service! Why did the Parts guy send me to Service, then the Assistant Manager, of Service, tell me to set an appointment!
I have half a mind to go back up there tomorrow, and tell them NO! GM IS GM...YOU FIX IT!!!!!!!!!!
We'll see what kind of crap Pontiac tries tomorrow. I've already got my bases covered, so they can't squeeme out!
Depending on what your car needs, click on the above links, print out the GM TSB and take to a dealer. Hard (but not impossible) for them to argue with their own bulletins.
Well, Pontiac was...different! Only took ONE guy to get me worked up!
I gave my VIN...No recalls.
Then what is this NHTSA printout?
"Oh, they are just a website. They don't mean anything. Tat is just a Generic thing. Call GM and dispute it."
OK, I BARELY have a voice, and even in person, it sorta works to be understood. I tol him 3 TIMES, that wasn't possible. Why doesn't HE call then?
"I don't have anything to ask them."
Then, what in hell, am *I* supposed to ask them???
Blank stare....
I REALLY began to get upset at this point, then asked me to leace "his office"...hehe...His glass booth in the drive, is "an officer". LOL
I took a seat...Now what?
So, he calls his Manager (I guess that is who he was) who gave me the same song & dance.
"No Campaign exists."
WTF??? I guess, according to him, NHTSA doesn't know squat, and just some teenager sitting at home, making stuff up!
I SO wanna prove him wrong, and go shove the papers up...well, you know the rest!
When he says dispute it with GM, that's exactly what you should do. And then shove those papers is his face. What's he going to do, not fix it now. Yea right.
Depending on what your car needs, click on the above links, print out the GM TSB and take to a dealer. Hard (but not impossible) for them to argue with their own bulletins.
Ya got those for Firebirds though? Those specify Camaros, nothing about Firebirds.
I had a copy of an invoice showing an IROC was done this year, but they were like "So? An IROC is a Chevrolet, not even a Pontiac."
It would be SO MUCH FUN, to show up..."Hey a******...Dispute THIS!
Besides, like I said, I can't call. No friggin' voice! (accident), so he knows I'm screwed. I can't call and check.
Depending on what your car needs, click on the above links, print out the GM TSB and take to a dealer. Hard (but not impossible) for them to argue with their own bulletins.
OH...Those only cover the VIN ranges. They could still claim the your VIN was already done.
For the Firebirds, the buckles did have the same recall, different number.
Here is what I could find, real rough draft but it should do.
CAMPAIGN: SEAT BELT BUCKLES BUCKLES MAY NOT LATCH/RELEASE
Bulletin Number: 90-C-03A Issued: 28-feb-1991
Subject: PRODUCT SAFETY CAMPAIGN 90-C-03A SEAT BELT BUCKLES
MODELS AFFECTED: 1984-90 PONTIAC FIREBIRD
TO: ZONE MANAGERS
THIS BULLETIN CANCELS CAMPAIGN BULLETIN 90-C-03 ISSUED JUNE, 1990. THE DEFECT INVOLVED, PARTS INFORMATION, SERVICE PROCEDURE AND CLAIM INFORMATION SECTIONS HAVE BEEN REVISED. ADDITIONALLY, A SPECIAL TOOLS SECTION HAS BEEN ADDED. ALL COPIES OF THE ORIGINAL BULLETIN SHOULD BE DESTROYED."
The National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act, as amended, provides that each vehicle which is subject to a recall campaign of this type must be adequately repaired within a reasonable time after the owner has tendered it for repair. A failure to adequately repair within sixty (60) days after tender of a vehicle is prima facie evidence of failure to repair within a reasonable time.
If the condition is not adequately repaired within a reasonable time, the owner may be entitled 'to an identical or reasonably equivalent vehicle at no charge or to a refund of the purchase price less a reasonable allowance for depreciation.
To avoid having to provide these burdensome solutions, every effort must be made to promptly schedule an appointment with each owner and to repair their vehicle as soon as possible. As you will see in reading the attached copy of the letter that is being sent to owners, the owners are being instructed to contact the Pontiac Customer Assistance Center if their dealer does not remedy the condition within five (5) days of the mutually agreed upon service date. If the condition is not remedied within a reasonable time, they are instructed on how to contact the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
DEFECT INVOLVED
General Motors has determined that a defect which relates to motor vehicle safety exists in some 1984-90 Pontiac Firebird model vehicles. Some seat belt buckle assemblies in affected vehicles may not latch, or may not release, due to fracture of the red push button which can occur during seat belt connection or disconnection. These buckle malfunctions would prevent a person from using his seat belt system, and the risk of injury to an unbelted person in an accident would be increased.
To correct this condition, all involved vehicles will have the pushbutton assemblies replaced and have a button protector shield added (except for certain 1989 and all 1990 vehicles which have revised lower cover ramps and as a result do not need protectors). Also, any buckle assemblies which are found not to function correctly, or which have fractured pushbuttons, will be replaced.
VEHICLES INVOLVED
Year Plant Beginning Up to and including:
1984 Van Nuys EL200001 to EL277542
1984 Norwood EN200001 to EN250762
1985 Van Nuys FL200001 to FL654874
1985 Norwood FN200001 to FN241006
1986 Van Nuys GL200001 to GL259110
1986 Norwood GN200001 to GN251373
1987 Van Nuys HL200001 to HL235610
1987 Norwood HN200001 to HN253013
1988 Van Nuys JL200001 to JL262467
1989 Van Nuys KL200001 to KL264406
1990 Van Nuys LL200001 to LL220555
Plant
OWNER NOTIFICATION
Owners will be notified of this campaign on their vehicles by Pontiac Division (see copy of example Owner Letter included with this bulletin).
This second mailing to owners will be scheduled as parts become available.
BUT, unless I can that, on paper, from GM it does me no good. Besides...even then, it covers a range of VIN #s. We need a way to look up by a SPECIFIC VIN #. Anybody got an inside line? Maybe a buddy at a stealership?
hey stephen,
i saw u were getting the ringer in the loop of GM. i kinda got thrown around, when i went in earlier this year. i have an 89' firebird took it to the local Elk Grove Pontiac they found the recall, printed out an invoice and were gonna look at it. BUT an hour later i get a call saying "We couldnt do it because we dont have the right tools you will need to take it too an older dealership like Maita Chevrolet" i was kinda pissed so i went to a different chevy cuz i hate maita. i went to a dealership were my dad bought his truck and they gave me lip. i showed the paper, they shut up and ordered the parts. then i didnt hear from em for 4 weeks i called once a week and finally on the 4th week they said they had em. i went there and they said its been there for almost a month!. i wa s pissed then i made an appointment. to get it done they replaced the back 2 and the front driver one ? i was all WTF !! why is the passenger side not replaced? and they guy service was all "maybe they tested it and it withstood the test?" and im all it was for ALL and so i was pissed anyway i have the service invoice receipt. and so now my good friend has a family friend working at a stealership so now im gonna talk to him about getting me my passenger!! buckle and btw the buckles were grey to match my mint grey interior!
hope this helps!
if anyone would like a censored copy of my reciept i wil post it for the 3 seat belts replaced and/or possibly my front passenger! when it is done!
OVERALL SO FAR I HAV 3 BRAND NEW SEAT BELT BUCKLE ASSEMBLYS
Where did it all go on the the nhtsa.dov.gov site?
I can't find Pontiac AT ALL, and nothing on the seat belts, not even under Chevrolet!
I have this saved on my computer...but can't find it on the site!
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CAMPAIGN: SEAT BELT BUCKLES BUCKLES MAY NOT LATCH/RELEASE
Bulletin Number: 90-C-03A Issued: 28-feb-1991
Subject: PRODUCT SAFETY CAMPAIGN 90-C-03A SEAT BELT BUCKLES
MODELS AFFECTED: 1984-90 PONTIAC FIREBIRD
TO: ZONE MANAGERS
THIS BULLETIN CANCELS CAMPAIGN BULLETIN 90-C-03 ISSUED JUNE, 1990. THE DEFECT INVOLVED, PARTS INFORMATION, SERVICE PROCEDURE AND CLAIM INFORMATION SECTIONS HAVE BEEN REVISED. ADDITIONALLY, A SPECIAL TOOLS SECTION HAS BEEN ADDED. ALL COPIES OF THE ORIGINAL BULLETIN SHOULD BE DESTROYED."
The National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act, as amended, provides that each vehicle which is subject to a recall campaign of this type must be adequately repaired within a reasonable time after the owner has tendered it for repair. A failure to adequately repair within sixty (60) days after tender of a vehicle is prima facie evidence of failure to repair within a reasonable time.
If the condition is not adequately repaired within a reasonable time, the owner may be entitled 'to an identical or reasonably equivalent vehicle at no charge or to a refund of the purchase price less a reasonable allowance for depreciation.
To avoid having to provide these burdensome solutions, every effort must be made to promptly schedule an appointment with each owner and to repair their vehicle as soon as possible. As you will see in reading the attached copy of the letter that is being sent to owners, the owners are being instructed to contact the Pontiac Customer Assistance Center if their dealer does not remedy the condition within five (5) days of the mutually agreed upon service date. If the condition is not remedied within a reasonable time, they are instructed on how to contact the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
DEFECT INVOLVED
General Motors has determined that a defect which relates to motor vehicle safety exists in some 1984-90 Pontiac Firebird model vehicles. Some seat belt buckle assemblies in affected vehicles may not latch, or may not release, due to fracture of the red push button which can occur during seat belt connection or disconnection. These buckle malfunctions would prevent a person from using his seat belt system, and the risk of injury to an unbelted person in an accident would be increased.
To correct this condition, all involved vehicles will have the pushbutton assemblies replaced and have a button protector shield added (except for certain 1989 and all 1990 vehicles which have revised lower cover ramps and as a result do not need protectors). Also, any buckle assemblies which are found not to function correctly, or which have fractured pushbuttons, will be replaced.
VEHICLES INVOLVED
Year Plant Beginning Up to and including:
1984 Van Nuys EL200001 to EL277542
1984 Norwood EN200001 to EN250762
1985 Van Nuys FL200001 to FL654874
1985 Norwood FN200001 to FN241006
1986 Van Nuys GL200001 to GL259110
1986 Norwood GN200001 to GN251373
1987 Van Nuys HL200001 to HL235610
1987 Norwood HN200001 to HN253013
1988 Van Nuys JL200001 to JL262467
1989 Van Nuys KL200001 to KL264406
1990 Van Nuys LL200001 to LL220555
Plant
OWNER NOTIFICATION
Owners will be notified of this campaign on their vehicles by Pontiac Division (see copy of example Owner Letter included with this bulletin).
This second mailing to owners will be scheduled as parts become available.
ok, so this post is telling me that i hav a safey recal for my 88 rs on the seat belts and e-brake? and gm dealerships are giving run arounds about them...hmm explains why my seat belts dont work good, also explains why my e-brake is crap...but this is va so i should be ok to go to a dealership, but incase they try, wheres the bullition thing i print and take in? im sorry i couldnt find them
well I called the chevy dealer today and they said they never heard of such a recall and couldn't find it in there system. So they told me to call GM customer service, I called them and got some guy from India or something, he said they had no record of such a recall, then asked me for my vin number, then tryed to look some more and didn't find anything, he asked where i got the recall info, and I told him the NHTSA website and he said oh, I will check again, once again nothing, he said the recall doesn't exist. So I was getting kinda pissed off, he had put me on hold two times. He asked for my vin again, then said he would have to look that up to see if there was a recall for it, nothing, he asked for the recall number, I asked the campaign number?, he said yeah, I told him the number, and he said he couldn't find anything, he then asked for my vin again and said he would have to check into it further, then said he would have to call me back. It was about 10:30 am and I had stuff to do, so i told him to call at 5 pm, I was home around 5 pm and my Dad said someguy he could barely understand called and said he couldn't find any recall info for my LUMINA!!???? My dad said he said you mean his Camaro, and the indian guy said yeah uh I mean the camareoo. So I think that is a bunch of BS, I looked at my seatbelts and the back ones have the metal clip and the front ones say they are from 91 so I guess my car is ok and I did'nt have to waste my time dealing with those you know whats.
I was a member of alldata.com (I think that was the name of the website). Anyway, they had all the information on every recall my car ever had (84 T/A) and the seat belt recall was one of them. I'll see if I can't find it, scan it in and post it for everyone.
Well I didn't know about any seatbelt recall until yesterday when I was scrolling thru these threads. Got an '88 Bird, so I went to the local Pontiac dealer an asked about a seatbelt recall, they took my vin# and within a couple minutes found the buckle recall so they had a mechanic look at them. He said they have to order the buckes from Michigan and would take about a week, so we'll see. My front retractors also don't work as tight as they should but I was told there is no recall on my year for those, they can order them though for $218. ea. (are they crazy). Just wish the new buckles were gray, they said all that was available was tan, wont match but o well. Later.
I did some searching and found some interesting info.
Go to this site and put in your info: http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr...ls/results.cfm
I have a 1991 z28 and found a PDF file "RC-91V067-NN.PDF"
that is 66 pages long. It contains letter to owners and letter to dealers.
Hope this helps.
I am looking to see if my seatbelts are recalled. My 1984 camaro z28 h.o. was manufactured at the norwood plant. The local dealership says they have no record of the car being produced. I called another dealership and they said they don't work on cars over 10 years old because parts are no longer available. Does anyone have the chevrolet number for the recall? I was told they could look that up if I called Chevrolet. Or does anyone know which camaros are recalled if not all of them? I'm not positive mine is one of them.
Rich,
Sounds like a line, throw them money and they will work on it... You can find the recall and print it out... I have read where people have done that and the dealership does the work... Personally I would never let a dealer touch my car...
. i wa s pissed then i made an appointment. to get it done they replaced the back 2 and the front driver one ? i was all WTF !! why is the passenger side not replaced? and they guy service was all "maybe they tested it and it withstood the test?" and im all it was for ALL and so i was pissed anyway i have the service invoice receipt. and so now my good friend has a family friend working at a stealership so now im gonna talk to him about getting me my passenger!! buckle and btw the buckles were grey to match my mint grey interior!
