Go Back   Third Generation F-Body Message Boards > Tech Boards > Engine Swap > LTX and LSX

LTX and LSX Putting LT1's, LS1's, and their variants into Third Gens is becoming more popular. This board is for those who are doing and have done the swaps so they can discuss all of their technical aspects, including repairs, swap info, and performance upgrades.

Welcome to ThirdGen.org!
Welcome to ThirdGen.org.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, at no cost, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, join the ThirdGen.org community today!


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 08-16-2009, 12:15 PM   #1
Member
 
FlippindaBird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: The Pocono Mountains, PA
Posts: 176
Car: 1987 firebird
Engine: 5.7 LG4, soon TPI Vortec 5.7L
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 2.73 lol soon to be 3.23 posi

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to FlippindaBird
5.3 to 5.7 Question

i just purchased a 02 silverado ext cab z71 w/ a 5.3L and i was wondering if its possible to get an LS1 or LS2 bottom end with the 5.3 top end (heads intake etc...) to increase the cubic inches has anyone done this???

I know everyone is thinking "why wouldnt he get an LS1 or 2 and put it in his car??" but i was just thinking i could get more towing capacity and power with the truck and then id have a 5.3 bottom end for when i get more money to do a swap in the car and just have to piece the rest together cause im not rich yet
This ad is not displayed to registered members.
Register your free account today and become a member on ThirdGen!
__________________
u call it "drifting"? i call it a lack of proper traction, the fastest way around the track isnt sideways with the tires smoking (well, most of the time). oh yeah japan makes the best race bikes, but the cars are for transportation.
and thats, your new opinion!
FlippindaBird is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Registered users do not see this ad.
Click here to register for free!
Old 08-16-2009, 02:23 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Kansas City
Posts: 736
Car: 1991 Trans Am
Engine: L98
Transmission: T56

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to 1bdbrd
Re: 5.3 to 5.7 Question

Ls1 bottom end will fit if you pull the internals out and have the cylinders bored to the correct size. Only two major parts you need are rods and pistons since the cranks are the same on the 5.3s and above.

LS2 internals won't fit due to the larger bore. They would fit in the 6 liter blocks but there's really no need to as it doesn't gain you much.

My advice would be to get a set of stock ls1 rods and then a set of aftermarket ls1 pistons. This way you end up with a bottom end that can hold up to anything.
__________________
1991 L98 Trans Am-Corbeau, SLP, Bassani, Trueforged, Spec, Doug's, Flowmaster

Best time: 14.35@94mph, 2.0 60' (catback and cutout only)
1bdbrd is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2009, 11:16 AM   #3
Member
 
FlippindaBird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: The Pocono Mountains, PA
Posts: 176
Car: 1987 firebird
Engine: 5.7 LG4, soon TPI Vortec 5.7L
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 2.73 lol soon to be 3.23 posi

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to FlippindaBird
Re: 5.3 to 5.7 Question

so i cant just bolt up the ls1 shortblock?
__________________
u call it "drifting"? i call it a lack of proper traction, the fastest way around the track isnt sideways with the tires smoking (well, most of the time). oh yeah japan makes the best race bikes, but the cars are for transportation.
and thats, your new opinion!
FlippindaBird is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2009, 11:57 AM   #4
Senior Member
 
xpndbl3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Orland Park, IL
Posts: 11,048
Car: 1984 Z28
Engine: 346
Transmission: TH350
Axle/Gears: moser 9" 4.11

Classifieds Rating: (2)
Send a message via AIM to xpndbl3
Re: 5.3 to 5.7 Question

you can remove your shortblock and put a ls1 shortblock under it, or there's a sponsor on ls1tech who sells 5.3L shortblocks bored out to ls1 piston bores and sells them complete brand new for $1600 IIRC. Honestly just do some headers and an intake along with a few supporting mods and it'll make more power for less.
__________________
my car thats never done
"I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6"
First Place Camaro Modified Thirdgenfest '05, Second Place Camaro Modified Thirdgenfest '06, Best Modified Camaro Thirdgenfest '07 , Second Place Camaro Modified Thirdgenfest '08
MFBA March 2008 Featured Calendar Vehicle
xpndbl3 is online now vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2009, 09:52 PM   #5
Member
 
FlippindaBird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: The Pocono Mountains, PA
Posts: 176
Car: 1987 firebird
Engine: 5.7 LG4, soon TPI Vortec 5.7L
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 2.73 lol soon to be 3.23 posi

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to FlippindaBird
Re: 5.3 to 5.7 Question

yeah i know the bolton route is easiest but then id have nothing for my bird
__________________
u call it "drifting"? i call it a lack of proper traction, the fastest way around the track isnt sideways with the tires smoking (well, most of the time). oh yeah japan makes the best race bikes, but the cars are for transportation.
and thats, your new opinion!
FlippindaBird is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2009, 08:30 AM   #6
Senior Member
 
Klortho's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Kingston, Tn
Posts: 2,549
Car: 1987 GTA
Engine: LT1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt 3.70 posi

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: 5.3 to 5.7 Question

Well, first off.... a shortblock is exactly that....a block with crank, rods, pistons, cam, lifters...pretty much everything but the heads, intake and accessories. To bolt up an LS1 shortblock in your 'bird the same way you would do a 5.3.

Now if you are asking if you can put an LS1 rotating assembly in a 5.3 you have the cylinders bored for the LS1 pistons.
__________________
1987 GTA, LT1/T56 BW 9bolt 3.70 posi
1 of 372 Midnight Russet Metallic
Klortho is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2009, 11:22 AM   #7
Member
 
FlippindaBird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: The Pocono Mountains, PA
Posts: 176
Car: 1987 firebird
Engine: 5.7 LG4, soon TPI Vortec 5.7L
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 2.73 lol soon to be 3.23 posi

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to FlippindaBird
Re: 5.3 to 5.7 Question

... i dont want to "build" a shortblock using my block, nor do i wish to purchase a rebuilt one for over a grand... my plan is to have my junk dealer find an LS1 shortblock for pretty cheap to increase the cubic inches on my truck... then keep the left over 5.3 "shortblock" for use in my bird later on.
maybe i will have the 5.3 built with an LS1 bore and low compression for use with a supercharger in the bird but for the truck i wanna get more power and tq cheap, and have parts left over for the bird
if i just buy headers and boltons for the truck... the bird will have no hand me downs...
i basically did this post because i was not aware if the 5.3 heads and LS1 block would work together and vice versa, but after everyones help here, and a little more research ive found my answer...
next question, which Factory "LS" heads flow best?? and are they all interchangeable as long as you start with an LS engine... such as LS1 LS2 LS6 LS7 LQ9 etc... and is there a code for the 5.3??
__________________
u call it "drifting"? i call it a lack of proper traction, the fastest way around the track isnt sideways with the tires smoking (well, most of the time). oh yeah japan makes the best race bikes, but the cars are for transportation.
and thats, your new opinion!
FlippindaBird is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2009, 12:05 PM   #8
Moderator
 
five7kid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Littleton, CO USA
Posts: 33,342
Car: 82 Berlinetta(2)/57 Bel Air
Engine: 86 LG4-> ZZ3(LS1)/mild 396
Transmission: TH700(T56)/TH400
Axle/Gears: 10-bolt 3.23(4.10)/8.2" 10-bolt4.11

Classifieds Rating: (3)
You're thinking too small.

You can get a complete LQ4 6.0l for next to nothing. Unbolt the 5.3, bolt in the 6.0.
five7kid is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2009, 12:45 PM   #9
Member
 
FlippindaBird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: The Pocono Mountains, PA
Posts: 176
Car: 1987 firebird
Engine: 5.7 LG4, soon TPI Vortec 5.7L
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 2.73 lol soon to be 3.23 posi

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to FlippindaBird
Re: 5.3 to 5.7 Question

now thats what im talking about... the LQ9 cheaper then a LS!?
__________________
u call it "drifting"? i call it a lack of proper traction, the fastest way around the track isnt sideways with the tires smoking (well, most of the time). oh yeah japan makes the best race bikes, but the cars are for transportation.
and thats, your new opinion!
FlippindaBird is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2009, 02:06 PM   #10
Moderator
 
five7kid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Littleton, CO USA
Posts: 33,342
Car: 82 Berlinetta(2)/57 Bel Air
Engine: 86 LG4-> ZZ3(LS1)/mild 396
Transmission: TH700(T56)/TH400
Axle/Gears: 10-bolt 3.23(4.10)/8.2" 10-bolt4.11

Classifieds Rating: (3)
Typically. But, LQ4's are cheaper than LQ9's as well.
five7kid is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2009, 03:18 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Kansas City
Posts: 736
Car: 1991 Trans Am
Engine: L98
Transmission: T56

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to 1bdbrd
Re: 5.3 to 5.7 Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlippindaBird View Post
now thats what im talking about... the LQ9 cheaper then a LS!?
I would hurry because the prices have doubled within the last 6-12 months. Now people are realizing that they are just as good as the ls1s and soon they will be going for close to ls1 prices.

I bet 5.3s will be doing the same eventually as well.
1bdbrd is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2009, 03:55 PM   #12
Moderator
 
five7kid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Littleton, CO USA
Posts: 33,342
Car: 82 Berlinetta(2)/57 Bel Air
Engine: 86 LG4-> ZZ3(LS1)/mild 396
Transmission: TH700(T56)/TH400
Axle/Gears: 10-bolt 3.23(4.10)/8.2" 10-bolt4.11

Classifieds Rating: (3)
After my original post I saw one LQ4 on eBay for $525 plus freight, 2 others for $700 plus freight. Over 100k miles, but my 134k severely oil-change-neglected 2003 LQ4 still showed crosshatch in the cylinders.

The "cash for clunkers" Obomination is sure to cause the price for used engines to skyrocket.
five7kid is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote


Reply

Go Back   Third Generation F-Body Message Boards > Tech Boards > Engine Swap > LTX and LSX

Tags
53, 57, 60, assembly, bore, cranks, engine, ls1, rotating, swap, transmission, truck
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 






1982 Camaro '82 || 1983 Camaro '83 || 1984 Camaro '84 || 1985 Camaro '85 || 1986 Camaro '86 || 1987 Camaro '87 || 1988 Camaro '88 || 1989 Camaro '89 || 1990 Camaro '90 || 1991 Camaro '91 || 1992 Camaro '92


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:08 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0
All content copyright © 1997 - 2009 ThirdGen.org. All rights reserved. No part of this website may be reproduced without the expressed, documented, and written consent of ThirdGen.org's Administrators.