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I found an lsx, not sure what it is, but is stamped with the 6.0L engine size, and it has the front driver's side block casting removed. It looks like an information plate or something was removed from the block, and now the water jacket is exposed. can this be welded? if so, does anyone know how it must be done? if it can't be done that's fine, but the engine over all besides that one hole is in excelent condition. I will post pictures of the hole later but curently don't have a picture of it. please any help will be great. I would like to buy this for an lsx swap
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If it's what I'm thinking of, the hole is supposed to be there. There should be 4 holes on the front of the block for the water pump. 3 of them look "normal" and the other one looks like it was cut at an angle, that's the only way I know how to describe it. Get a picture and I'll see if that's what I'm referring to.
Seriously man, don't even waste your time - it's not like 6L engines are ultra-rare!
How much would you be buying it for?? If the guy isn't giving you a couple hundred bucks to take it off his hands, I'd bet that it's not worth the hassle/time/expense involved...
he would be sellin it for a few hundred, maybe cheaper. but it's almost a long block just no heads. it's in good shape just that one square hole cut into it... would it be weldable? and if it was could I just have a friend weld it for me, he has a complete tig welder and he can weld aluminum pretty good
but it's not the point of the 6.0L being rare, it's the point of it's price. if I can get it for way cheaper than somewhere else if I can have that hole welded up, then why not? If I do keep the engine it's not going to see over 700 hp cause I wanna keep it mild anyway but still
He means you can get a GOOD 6.0L for cheap at most places. No sense buying a junk motor for 300 bucks or w/e and finding out it isn't gonna be repairable after all. Especially with all the other expenses you'll have trying to swap it into a 3rd gen.
If its not a factory hole then the block is scrap and all internal parts suspect. The cost of repairing a hole, esp when you dont have the missing piece is well beyond the price of a new block. Im speaking of doing the job correctly though
Gm Made 6.0l trucks genIII, in aluminum too... rare'er, in CAddy's and SS's... but you can get a new block from GM for around 1000 bucks NEW. Iron is like 700 bucks
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If its not a factory hole then the block is scrap and all internal parts suspect. The cost of repairing a hole, esp when you dont have the missing piece is well beyond the price of a new block. Im speaking of doing the job correctly though
from what I can tell on those pictures, is that the hole in the block I want to get is the factory casting number on the front of the block... so I don't think it's worth it but the block with the internals is in a crate right now so I beleive he was going to have it shipped, maybe to gm to get a replacement one. and yes, the block is aluminum. I guess if he ships it to get a new block I'll be buying the new block from him, pics still coming but not till tuesday
Why the heck would anyone CUT that out unless it was a CFC car and the engine MUST be rendered useless
Even that really doesn't make sense - here's the procedure they were supposed to use for that CFC bullcrap (written by one of my local F-buds)...
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No, No, No... I work at a salvage yard, and I can tell you EXACTLY what is happening with these cars:
When it is bought into a dealer for the trade in, they are required to add a Sodium Silicate solution to the crankcase, and run the engine until it seizes. Then they affix a tag to the engine noting that is has been done and the engine is no longer good. The dealer then transfers the vehicle to a salvage auction or directly to a salvage yard for "scrap value".
So cutting a hole in the block is a lot more work than would be required. Something's REALLY screwy with that engine...
Why the heck would anyone CUT that out unless it was a CFC car and the engine MUST be rendered useless
well like v8 rumble said, that's not true for the cash for clunkers cars, and plus this engine has been there at his shop for a while, I beleive it's been there since before the cash for clunkers thing started. like I said pictues on tuesday, but he might be shipping it out to get a brand new one, in which case he would sell me that new block instead of the one that's currently sitting in the crate right now
yeah, I know. I dont know what happened, a few people have said maybe they were trying to change that number and while they were tapping it it cracked, so they cut it out and maybe were going to reweld something onto it. but I can't tell since I have no idea
It would make a good mock-up though, but thats all
well, i don't exactly have lots of money, so if I were to buy an ls block it would have to be one I could use not a mock up. I'm no drag race team that has the money to test several different types of pistons or different cams for just a couple of races
There was probably something wrong with it anyways or else they wouldn't have cut the hole in it. They probably wanted to make a keychain from the 6.0L badge lol.
Not worth attempting to repair. The reason for the cut was to remove the badging and also rendor the block useless. This was probably a development or test engine thats could also have other issues...
There was probably something wrong with it anyways or else they wouldn't have cut the hole in it. They probably wanted to make a keychain from the 6.0L badge lol.
It wasn't the 6.0 badge, it was the vin thingy... and now that you mention it. maybe I will make a keychain out of the 6.0 badge. haha. then make a coffe table with it
maybe it was stolen tryin to hide info about where it came from
eh, I doubt it. a lot of these explinations are a lot of wierd things. I honestly dont know why it was done or what happened or what but I do know that there's a ruined ls2 block at that shop thats crated up ready to be shipped somewhere... I'll try and see if he gets a brand new ls2 block cause I'll buy that, then buy a car to put it in
Maybe, but why steal a motor if you are gonna render it useless anyways? At least grind off the numbers or something lol.
there was an explination a guy gave me. that they were trying to restamp numbers and they cracked it, so they were going to fix it after they cut it off
there was an explanation a guy gave me. that they were trying to restamp numbers and they cracked it, so they were going to fix it after they cut it off
Makes as much sense as anything else, I guess... But even with that, trying to re-stamp a block is a bit suspicious...
there was an explination a guy gave me. that they were trying to restamp numbers and they cracked it, so they were going to fix it after they cut it off
still odd to me y cut a big a$$ hole when you can just weld over the crack instead of all the bs cuting and weldin a big hole and y would you re stamp a motor to begin with
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still odd to me y cut a big a$$ hole when you can just weld over the crack instead of all the bs cuting and weldin a big hole and y would you re stamp a motor to begin with
well, that's exactly why I was asking if it's repairable. cause I don't know what happened to it
it prob could be fixed but your gonna need someone who is a damn good welder might be cheaper just to find another
well, I'm not so sure, if I can get this block off the guy for like 50 bucks, and how much would a welder charge me? cause I know a guy that's been welding almost since he was born, and he's damn good. He's a good friend of mine and if it is weldable I can probably get him to do it for a case of beer. Is it weldable? that's probably what I shouldve titled this thread ''Is it weldable''
Ive known some people that if they discover a block or transmission case has something seriously wrong with it that isnt very repairable, they purposely render it very obviously unusable (like by putting a hole in it). This prevents anybody who may run across it before it gets scraped from using it not knowing about a less obvious flaw.
I still remember how loud it was when my friends dad took a ballpin hammer to a th350 case, ouch.
Ive known some people that if they discover a block or transmission case has something seriously wrong with it that isnt very repairable, they purposely render it very obviously unusable (like by putting a hole in it). This prevents anybody who may run across it before it gets scraped from using it not knowing about a less obvious flaw.
I still remember how loud it was when my friends dad took a ballpin hammer to a th350 case, ouch.
well i've inspected the block as thoroughly as I could while it still in the crate, and the rotating assembly still turns, and from what I can tell the only thing is that damned hole. I'll ask the guy again but i don't think it's something like that.
well I'm going to first see if I can get it repaired. if there's a machine shop crazy enough to. if not, I'll sell the bolts, the crank, rods maybe, and any other usable parts and I'll clean up the block and make my table or grill or whatever out of it
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