kwikgta

I have been considering getting a SuperRam for the GTA.Anything I should know about before getting one: installation problems? Quality? Other?

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92 GTA(only 226 made)ort matched sportsman heads with 2.05 valves,64 cc,milled .015,.028 head gaskets,port matched Accel runners,port matched plenum,port matched edelbrock intake,flow matched injectors,jet hot headers and 2.5" mandrel bent exhaust,Flowmaster muffler,underdrive pulleys,slp cam,1.6 rockers,slp cold air induction,52mm throttlebody,performance resource custom chip,Dyna module,Screamin Demon coil,Accel 8.8 wires,Bosch platinum plugs,timing at 10 degrees,tb bypass,relocated map sensor,shift kit,Fairbanks billet servo,pump vane kit & 2400 stall,Torque converter lockup switch,3.42 posi with welded axle tubes,Zexel Torsen HD diff.,Summit rearend girdle,solid pinion spacer,& alloy axles.Boxed panhard bar,lakewood lca's & edelbrock strut tower brace,Jeg's torque arm,Jegs welded in subframe connecters.Performance friction pads,turbo slotted front rotors,stainless braid brake lines.Roh ZT 17x8.5 front wheels with 255/40ZR/17 tires. 17x9.5 rear wheels with 275/40ZR/17's on the street.Hoosier 26x9.5 slicks on the strip.

MikeH

iTrader: (10)

I Havent installed mine yet but have been told by many its a bear to install. I think getting to the inside runner to plenum bolts is the biggest pain. Mine had the inside runner bolt holes tapped into the runner flanges themselves that way you can run them in from the top. But they need to be safety wired so they dont get sucked into the motor.

There is a guy on the Corvetteforum AKA (Beach bum)running the DartII heads with a SuperRam. He has run a mid/high 11 with a N/A 383.

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Black 90 IROC, L98, A4, 323 gear. SuperRamed 406 in the works!

kwikgta

Thanks for the reply Mike,when you get it installed would you be kind enough to email me(kwikgta@hotmail.com) & tell me everything you ran into.
Also,I thought I remembered reading something a few month ago aout it hitting the wiper motor box on Formula/TA third gens,anyone know?

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92 GTA(only 226 made)ort matched sportsman heads with 2.05 valves,64 cc,milled .015,.028 head gaskets,port matched Accel runners,port matched plenum,port matched edelbrock intake,flow matched injectors,jet hot headers and 2.5" mandrel bent exhaust,Flowmaster muffler,underdrive pulleys,slp cam,1.6 rockers,slp cold air induction,52mm throttlebody,performance resource custom chip,Dyna module,Screamin Demon coil,Accel 8.8 wires,Bosch platinum plugs,timing at 10 degrees,tb bypass,relocated map sensor,shift kit,Fairbanks billet servo,pump vane kit & 2400 stall,Torque converter lockup switch,3.42 posi with welded axle tubes,Zexel Torsen HD diff.,Summit rearend girdle,solid pinion spacer,& alloy axles.Boxed panhard bar,lakewood lca's & edelbrock strut tower brace,Jeg's torque arm,Jegs welded in subframe connecters.Performance friction pads,turbo slotted front rotors,stainless braid brake lines.Roh ZT 17x8.5 front wheels with 255/40ZR/17 tires. 17x9.5 rear wheels with 275/40ZR/17's on the street.Hoosier 26x9.5 slicks on the strip.

MikeH

iTrader: (10)

I think its the 88- cars that had the problem with the wiper motor hitting the plenum. from what ive been told you have to unbolt it and place the rubber bushings on the outside of the wiper motor. Then bolt it back down it pushes the wiper motor closer to the firewall.

It will probably be a few more months before i install it. I will let you know how it turns out.

Mike

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Black 90 IROC, L98, A4, 323 gear. SuperRamed 406 in the works!

Alpine406

biggest pain in the *** to install.
but i still love mine

KevinP92Z

This was some advice I gave to a fellow thirdgenner a while back. Some of this is also what others have experienced or stated.

"Hints - read instructions several times first. Some suggest drilling plenum box to make them through-holes, then tapping runner's holes so that the screws thread down from inside the box down into the runners (You'll have to use bigger screws, not included). This is ok as long as they are safety wired, otherwise 1 loose screw could go down into your engine easily.

I instead opted to still thread the screws in from the bottom, up into the box. As many have suggested, have a wide variety of 12 point 1/4 wrenches & ratcheting box wrenches to help. I had a small 3" polished 1/4 inch ignition wrench, a long 8" polished 1/4 com, and a craftsman ratcheting box wrench with both straight and bent handles.

To make it easier to thread the screws, I drilled the holes in the runners out about 2-3 drill sizes (but small enough the screws couldn't pull into the aluminum. Doing this allows for the maximum mis-alignment between the two runners, and the box. I could get all but 3-4 started and did a lot of sweating until I drilled the holes.

Obviously, the 2 screws on each side back in by the middle 2 fuel injectors are the hardest. An inspection mirror and the wrenches I listed above will help.

Also, I have a ton of tools, but None would allow me to attach the runners without removing the valve covers AND the rockers on 2 cylinders per side. Now with my Trick Flow heads, I even had to remove the rocker studs on those cylinders.

Next couple of IMPORTANT HINTS!!!!!

1. The tranny TV cable MUST be routed BEFORE plenum box is bolted on, otherwise, it will not thread under fuel rails, regulator cross tubes, EGR valve etc and endup in the right position to attach to Accel's throttle bracket that bolts onto the side of the plenum box. There is not any room between the shortrunners, fuel rails, injectors and the bottom of the plenum box. The TV cable runs under the plenum box on the Supperram, not over it like the TPI system runs.

2. Also, depending on the injectors you use, the connectors should already be passed between the runners on the middle two positions on each engine side and connected before the plenum box is attached. My Ford SVO injectors are slightly taller on the top than the old GM ones, so the connectors were very hard to do afterwards. Rotating the injectors didn't really help in my case.

3. Be prepared to jack with the wiper motor. It will nearly always contact and require removal of the rubber bushings. Mine is still too close for my liking.


Hope this makes sense and helps.


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KevinP92Z
92 Z28 383 SLP cam,SLP headers,SLP 2ontheLeft,Trick Flow TW heads & pistons,Edelbrock base,Accel SuperRam,52mmTB,Scat Crank & forged ConnRods,MSD 6AL,SLP convertor,Baer 13/12" Track,Moser axles,Hotchkis,Genuine GM 3.42s,SLP HD Torsen,17x9" chrome SS rims
96T/A w/SLP Ram Air,SLP 2ontheLeft, Bilsteins, Baer, Hotchkis, Genuine GM, Torsen
76 4X4 Blazer 400TPI project

kwikgta

Thanks a bunch Kevin,are you pleased with the performance diff.

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92 GTA(only 226 made)ort matched sportsman heads with 2.05 valves,64 cc,milled .015,.028 head gaskets,port matched Accel runners,port matched plenum,port matched edelbrock intake,flow matched injectors,jet hot headers and 2.5" mandrel bent exhaust,Flowmaster muffler,underdrive pulleys,slp cam,1.6 rockers,slp cold air induction,52mm throttlebody,performance resource custom chip,Dyna module,Screamin Demon coil,Accel 8.8 wires,Bosch platinum plugs,timing at 10 degrees,tb bypass,relocated map sensor,shift kit,Fairbanks billet servo,pump vane kit & 2400 stall,Torque converter lockup switch,3.42 posi with welded axle tubes,Zexel Torsen HD diff.,Summit rearend girdle,solid pinion spacer,& alloy axles.Boxed panhard bar,lakewood lca's & edelbrock strut tower brace,Jeg's torque arm,Jegs welded in subframe connecters.Performance friction pads,turbo slotted front rotors,stainless braid brake lines.Roh ZT 17x8.5 front wheels with 255/40ZR/17 tires. 17x9.5 rear wheels with 275/40ZR/17's on the street.Hoosier 26x9.5 slicks on the strip.

Jarod87IROC

That's exactly how I did mine. It made installation and removal a lot easier. Now the only difficult part is getting the lower runner to manifold bolts in and out. That's tough to do even with the valve covers off. Other than that the rest is just really time consuming but not too difficult. Also I didn't have any clearance problems with the wiper motor.



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87 IROC
350 TPI 5-speed

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kwikgta

Thanks Jarod,
Now,can I use my 52 mm throttle body for now (will it mount up ok)until I can afford a 58mm or does the SuperRam require a 58mm?
Will I have any trouble removing my tall aluminum valve covers to adjust my valves & such AFTER the SuperRam is installed?

Jarod87IROC

Nah, I think you'll be fine with a 52mm. The 58mm might even be overkill for a naturally aspirated 350. The only reason I went with a 58mm is because I picked up my Accel unit for $100 at a big sale at Lingenfelter in Decatur.

I forgot to mention the fun you'll have removing your valve covers with a super ram. The lip of the covers will hit the runners and that makes it a serious pain, especially when you're trying to get the valve cover gaskets to stay in place. I had to use a rubber mallet on my brand new chrome covers just to get them to fit down in there.

quickL98

iTrader: (2)

i'm getting ready to purchase a super ram myself...like i said earlier slp runners seemed to have worked ok for me but they slowed my bud's car by .2

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87GTA 355TPI,A4 shooting
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kwikgta

Two more questions & thats it!
1)Will it interfere with my Edelbrock strut tower brace.
2)Where is the cheapest place to get one?

Thanks again for the help guys.

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92 GTA(only 226 made)ort matched sportsman heads with 2.05 valves,64 cc,milled .015,.028 head gaskets,port matched Accel runners,port matched plenum,port matched edelbrock intake,flow matched injectors,jet hot headers and 2.5" mandrel bent exhaust,Flowmaster muffler,underdrive pulleys,slp cam,1.6 rockers,slp cold air induction,52mm throttlebody,performance resource custom chip,Dyna module,Screamin Demon coil,Accel 8.8 wires,Bosch platinum plugs,timing at 10 degrees,tb bypass,relocated map sensor,shift kit,Fairbanks billet servo,pump vane kit & 2400 stall,Torque converter lockup switch,3.42 posi with welded axle tubes,Zexel Torsen HD diff.,Summit rearend girdle,solid pinion spacer,& alloy axles.Boxed panhard bar,lakewood lca's & edelbrock strut tower brace,Jeg's torque arm,Jegs welded in subframe connecters.Performance friction pads,turbo slotted front rotors,stainless braid brake lines.Roh ZT 17x8.5 front wheels with 255/40ZR/17 tires. 17x9.5 rear wheels with 275/40ZR/17's on the street.Hoosier 26x9.5 slicks on the strip.

Hank Brote

Just one little tip. To easy the installation on the bolts into the plenum I took a die gringer and made slots for a screwdriver. Once I got the bolts up into the holes I just used a screwdriver to seat them. Then it was just a matter of tightening themwith a 1/4" 12 point wrench. Got one just long enough at Ace Hardware. I've had mine on and off a couple time now and it just takes some time.



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Hank
87'IROC Z28

Hank Brote

Jarod,

How is the performance with the 219 cam. I just installed mine and haven't gone to the dragstrip yet......What kind of times are you running. I've got pretty much the same setup as you have.

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Hank
87'IROC Z28

ZBRA

My dyno results are with a super ram ,a LPE 219/219 cam, and a Accell 58mm TB.

I recently pulled the super "pain-in-the-a$$-to-install" ram in favor of a much simpler mini ram. It should be running again in a few weeks.

The super ram is made of extremely poor quality (soft) aluminum. Be very careful with all of the bolts. The slightest overtightening, and they will forever spin freely.

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'91 Z28 Blue/Silver ZZ4/ZF6
335.9 rwhp 374.9 rwtorque

MikeH

iTrader: (10)

LPE has the plenum/runners for 699.00. IM not sure but i thought that rich at cruzin performance had them for 675.00.

Mike

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Black 90 IROC, L98, A4, 323 gear. SuperRamed 406 in the works!

kwikgta

If anyone has a SuperRam they want to trade,I would be very interested.
Here are a couple of things I have to trade: 1)Brand new 383 SCAT crank for 1 piece seal motor.
2)Brand new full floating 6.0" rods,4340 material,weiht matched.

lock

Al great tips. I used them all when I did mine. Although I swore Id never take it off, I had to. The second time was so much easier. Tom Casey wrote up a nice list of tips, I followed these when I did mine. One thing id add is to install you fuel injector wires on the injectors after you get the runners mounted and before you put the plenum on. Its real hard getting them to pop on a few of the injectors.
http://home.sprynet.com/~ragtop88/SRTips.htm

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Mark Lock
- 86 IROC-Z - My car, mods and ET's
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Todd91SS

Once again, I'm not sure where all these problems are arising. It's not a hard install. At least on my car (91Z) there is no interference with the wiper motor. True, it's close but no actual problem. The TV cable just needs to be run the same as stock, which on my car at least was under the plenum already. The cruise and throttle cables are the ones on top. And if you forget, you can still run it outside the runners but it will be more in a bind that way. Even running it under the plenum, it's still in a bind partially. But now with the 6 speed that's no longer an issue.

On mine, the only thing that I didn't expect was having to take off a rocker arm or two on each side to access the middle bolts on the lower part of the runners.

The only way you're going to get the plenum/runner bolts in without killing yourself or family and friends is to grind screwdriver slots in the ends of them like was stated before and draw them upwards. Makes it very easy.

I've had it on and off plenty of times and it's really no big undertaking.

Todd

The cheapest place I found them was Jegs. At the time, Summit was having trouble getting them in stock.

[This message has been edited by Todd91SS (edited September 18, 2000).]

PROCHARGED89Z

Lots of good tips here,heres 1 more for you.There is a way to tighten the bottom bolts on the runners without removing the rocker arms.On factory headed cars if you use a bench grinder and get the right allen key a long one,I cut one from one of those t handle allen sets,and grind down where it passed over the rocker arm it will work but you have to mock it up,this is a lot easier then taking off the rocker arms.You can get a small socket to fit over the end of the allen keys head to tighten it down.On heads with aluminum rockers it might not work on the much fatter rocker,but its worth a try,anythings worth trying to get this manifold in faster and easier.

kwikgta

Thanks for the help everyone!!!!

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92 GTA(only 226 made)ort matched sportsman heads with 2.05 valves,64 cc,milled .015,.028 head gaskets,port matched Accel runners,port matched plenum,port matched edelbrock intake,flow matched injectors,jet hot headers and 2.5" mandrel bent exhaust,Flowmaster muffler,underdrive pulleys,slp cam,1.6 rockers,slp cold air induction,52mm throttlebody,performance resource custom chip,Dyna module,Screamin Demon coil,Accel 8.8 wires,Bosch platinum plugs,timing at 10 degrees,tb bypass,relocated map sensor,shift kit,Fairbanks billet servo,pump vane kit & 2400 stall,Torque converter lockup switch,3.42 posi with welded axle tubes,Zexel Torsen HD diff.,Summit rearend girdle,solid pinion spacer,& alloy axles.Boxed panhard bar,lakewood lca's & edelbrock strut tower brace,Jeg's torque arm,Jegs welded in subframe connecters.Performance friction pads,turbo slotted front rotors,stainless braid brake lines.Roh ZT 17x8.5 front wheels with 255/40ZR/17 tires. 17x9.5 rear wheels with 275/40ZR/17's on the street.Hoosier 26x9.5 slicks on the strip.

Jarod87IROC

Hank, I'm still waiting for custom chip to arrive before I can get some numbers. I've still got my 305 chip in at the moment.

Paul Riccioli Jr

iTrader: (1)

I will be installing my Super Ram in a month or two on my new motor. Do you think I will have the problems with getting the plenum bolts in from the bottom is the engine is out of the car? Also would it be beneficial for me to hold off on putting it on after I drop the engine in the car to prevent the cable problems?

lock

Hey Paul, You definetly want to put the plenum on once its in the car, not while on a stand. There are vacume lines, wires, TV cable etc that need to be run under the plenum. You can do the intake and runners with no problem but Id stop there.

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Mark Lock
- 86 IROC-Z - My car, mods and ET's
- -= IROC Online =- - The site dedicated to the IROC-Z