Quote: Originally Posted by ZONES89RS He didnt get flow numbers any after i ported the intake, it ended up cracking around the intake ports anyways, so when he sent it back and got the new on he was in a hurry to get the intake back on so it would run, it is his daily driver. they are pot metal...... buddy has a flow bench on order and plans to flow both the super victor and the victor jr, so ill have some results in a few weeks once he gets it setup and running.

Okay, NOW i have a HUGE PROBLEM....

YOU are porting other people stuff, and YOU DONT have a flow bench to monitor your progress to see WTF your doing, how the cutting of material is improving or HURTING performance???!!!! I'm very bitter about this since i know what it takes to do ANY sort of port work correctly and make it worthwhile time and money wise since i just paid decent money to have my heads fixed from a hack like you without a clue...WOW, this thread gets better by the post

i cant believe someone swapped out a ported(modified) intake for a new one.
for sure porting would void the warranty of the intake.
in an ******* "thats business" kinda way so they dont have to eat the product they made that sucks.....
ive seen SEVERAL vic jr's crack.

Is that a common thing for Vic Jr only or all the vic series manifolds?

They have recently improved the area that cracks by making it thicker.





I just apply what i know from research and observing other port jobs. Can i make it better without a flow bench? Yes, and i peak a set of heads without on, hell not. I have learned from my mistakes and know pretty much how far i can go without hurting and gain some flow, but yes, you are in the dark trying to optimize a set of heads without a flow bench.


Hack these nutz.

Hey, i'm just calling a spade a spade. What your doing is possibly ruining somebody's hard worked for parts and not even know it. Think of you trying to be a head porter with no way to measure port size, shape of runners to make them identical throughout, and then not having a flow bench to test flow in each runner as you port to see what kind of improvement/damage your doing....it'd be like you telling somebody, "hey, I'll tune your car at the track for ya" and the catch to your king tuning....the track does'nt give out timeslips, they have no way to show you if you made and improvement or made a mistake.

Good job slim, your posts make absolute sense now....i was holding out hope, giving you the benefit of the doubt, but your just a clueless wanna be trying to fit in by spewing sheeot you read in those ridiculous magazines. And the worst part, your buddies are obviously either idiots or your a great snake oil salesman if they allow you to experiment on their dime.....as you said:

josh tell me how you really feel now

also did you still want to come to the track rental on may 9th? just figured I'd ask since it's in 3 weeks, my car still hasn't even left the lift yet, still have about a weeks worth of wiring and welding before I can street drive it finally.

That guy is a focking tool, like i said, i kept holding out thinking he'd suprise me and contradic all his ridiculous claims and BS, but after reading he has no equipment to tell him weather he's doing any good, and mostly likely ultimate harm i lost all respect...in the construction industry, we call these idiots, low ballers, hacks, jack legs, etc....dont have a clue and take pride thinking they're smarter than they really are the whole time they're ruining people's equipment for their own self experimentation.....i got burnt from a hack like this tool and had to spend alot of time and money making it all right again...worst part, the guy that screwed me HAD all the test equipment but did'nt use it obviously...or was just as out in space as Zones89RS. but hey, he's researched and SEEN alot of port work, so that qualifies him to do it with no way to see if he's actually doing more harm then good...he's been digging his own grave, and after that last ridiculous post of his, the flowers are on the lid as far as i'm concerned.

Steve, now that i've had the car out and beating on it, my convertor is waay too loose. I had my guy call BTE to see if i could have them spec me a convertor and mail it up and i'd just swap them mine since it's waaay too loose with the new found power. But they did'nt have the core i needed layng around to tweak on, so i'm running this weekend T&T to dial in, see what's going to happen with the loose convertor, and then if all's good i'll race next weekend at our first points event, then the convertor is coming out and getting shipped to Tennese for a spit and retune to tighten it up, and oncei get it back together it's going in to get a new exhaust system put on and an X pipe installed so time table wise, i think it's pretty safe to say my junk wont be operational that weekend. not to mention I mandated 7 day work weeks for awhile until we start catching up...i'm so backlooged with work right now it's stupid....we even worked today because i have no choice, falling further behind everyday, but i dont want to hire a bunch of guys and then have it slow down and have to get rid of them...would rather pay the OT for now and keep overall overhead lower then try to train a new bunch of idiots and then turn around and lay them off.

only the ls series victor jr.
my super victor is a pig. i didnt weigh it, but i bet its every bit of 20 pounds.
its got some MEAT in it. overkill. way overkill. maybe thats why its 500 bucks.
lot of aluminum.

Cool, i'm considering going to Victor EFI on my turbo motor. Hoping it will provide best air distribution compared to the stealth ram i have now plus the victor fuel rails are larger

Well, simply bowl blending, cleaning the casting flash and making the intake ports match the intake closer is usually going to improve 99% of the time.

I understand what you are saying, HEAVY port work, yes, i wish i had a flow bench, so no i dont do in depth full blown port work.



As i said before, the 6.0 aluminum truck heads went from 228 stock to 278 after i was done, so i guess that is proof enough that i know something. Not bad for my first LS heads.

You just seem like an ******* anyways.

Typical type that many people bitch about that post on TGO.

Why because i called you out for exactly what you are, a HACK, WANNA BE??? I just call it exactly as i see it, i'm sure everybody on this forum will back me and say i'm more than fair, give HONEST advise/opinions from REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE. You can cry all you want, but the fact of the matter is TRUTH HURTS, your a hack with no clue, everything you've claimed and stated thus far in just this thread backs that 100%. Go ahead and keep living in your clueless dilusional life, and i just pray that more fools are'nt sold on your BS and allow you to experiment with their equipment.

I understand, i would ****ing hate myself too if i was stuck in the 10s with a 427 on a 150 shot if gas in one of the lightest F bodys ever built.

No hard feelings.

i really don't think i'd consider josh's car light. his car is definitely full weight, full street trim, beautifully done car. not a gutted race piece. if he took that motor and put it in my 3100-3200 raceweight car that motor would be well into the 9s on the juice. and i'd bet now that he's got the head fixed after getting ****ed over by someone that nearly ruined a good set of heads, it'll be in the 9s on the spray. not bad for a 3700-3800 pound street car swilling pump gas.

Not to defend IHI, as he will do so himself but his car isnt light

3700 lbs is light? someone doesn't realize how hard it becomes to lower your e.t., especially in a heavy car.

are you in the 11s or 10s yet at all? I see you posting a lot of crap up but nothing to back it up with yet. Everyone runs faster until they see what they do on the 1320. Also my buddies monte just dyno'd 305 rwhp on a dynojet and he runs 10.80s on motor. Stalls eat up power readings on a dyno, but that doesn't mean the motor isn't making a ton of power.

My buddys street car 86 IROC went 9s at 4200 lbs, pump gas, 408 ci. I dont wanna hear 3700 lbs as the excuse.

I am callin bullshit. Give combo for 9sec pump gas 408 NA. in a 4200lbs F body. Where did the weight come from?

how in the f*ck did he get a 4200 lb third gen.

haha x2

this guy is awesome!

So know you understand why i'm so bitter because a hack like you literally ruined my heads that had me stuck in the 10's running like crap, along with a cam installed 10.5* advanced...now that i got my hands dirty again and found all the problems and fixed them, this little 427 will still be in the 10's NA as it's ALWAYS been and should be well into the 9's now that we got it sorted out...shooting for 9.5-9.6's on the 150 shot. But clueless hacks like you are the reason i was so slow last season.....but guess what, news flash for you, I could give two chits about being impressively fast, i bracket race, i only care about seeing the same time slip all day and all night.

I'm glad YOUR FRIEND has such a beast of a car how he managed to get it to weigh 4200lbs is beyond me since that's as much as a full framed 1970 chevelle, i still dont see what you got?? probably since your just another magazine reader, clueless, and have no money to build anything but have sold all your clueless buddies into your verbal BS that you think you know what your doing...which since your gracious enough here to never know when to shut up, you just keep digging your hole deeper and deeper with how clueless you really are.

Is my car fast, does it matter, there is ALWAYS somebody faster-ALWAYS. Does my junk, and will my junk run pretty good now that we have the engine problems sorted out, you bet it will. Predicting 10.30's this weekend if i dont blow completely through the convertor with the new found power (currently goes right to 6200rpm when i floor it and peak tq is at 4900rpm and peak hp is at 6300 so since your such a smart person, i'll let you do the math at convertor slippage percentage and then you can convert that over into ontrack performance once we get the convertor tightened up) maybe you can do some more reserach and see some pictures that will help clear this up for you.

427, pump gas, 3720lbs going down the strip, full interior, 800Q stereo system, through the mufflers, paper air cleaner, 23* heads, low compression, BABY cam...640hp/600tq are pretty respectable numbers from this engine and i dont care who you are, but i gotta keep reminding myself, YOU will always have a buddy that is faster with less since your "one of those guys"...you start doing half the stuff you claim to be so knowledgable about and then i may give you some slack, but until then, your just a fake wanna be and we all see it clear as day.

His buddy weighs 600lbs...i thought you knew

he needs all the weight in the drivers side to offset the crazy torque wheelies it pulls

He ported the heads and intake for his buddy, and it's now the show stoppa....car's got crazy wicked power, does barrel rolls in mid air when it leaves from all the powa!!

Unless his buddy is 600lbs, i see no way possible for a 3rd gen, even completely stock with additon of 25.5 mild steel cage, 4L80E tranny, Ford 9", iron 500+cid block with iron heads, multiple subwoofers, amplifiers, huge sub box, multiple battery's, 10" wide steel wheels at all 4 corners, and god knows what else to get it to 4200lbs....frankly, it's impossible to pull off what he's saying it does.

Nutshell:
4200lbs to run a 9.999999999999999999999999999999 your looking at a minimum of 760hp

pulling 760hp out of a N/A pump gas 408...impossible, not going to happen...ever.

hey are they racing sunday too or is that just a swap meet josh? i might come up for the swap meet

Says thy're having a low buck gambler type race BOTH days this weekend, all in 6.49-13.99 dial. Will probably be box vs box and N/B vs N/B and then the winners of each class will pair off for the overall win...so if you win the no box class, you actually just ran the semi final round if that makes sense.

Just watch the weather, Saturday they're calling for possible thunderstorms-50% chance as of right now, and then sunday 30% chance of showers so if the weather does what it typically does, Sunday will be good to go...other than being the first day cars have been on track since last season, fact the track will be scraped, AND the fact it'll be cold and moist since the weather wont be quite warm enough to evaporate it the mositure out and wind wont be high enough to keep it dried out...so it could be touch and go for the first day back.....so it should be really interesting since next weekend is our first points race and i dont think we'll have much of a test session before then LMFAO!!!

But we'll be out there no matter what, even if i just drop the trailer Saturday and come back sunday..i have to get some passes in to see what's going to happen with the car now. We'll see ya there maybe

are they just running 1/8th or full track? if they're running the full track my old IROC isn't gonna qualify lol. if they're having a swap meet i'll be there for sure, otherwise i've got the bug and could be a loose wrench if you need

'm going to have to assume 1/4 since they gave the ET's at 6.49-13.99. Dont expect much from the swap meet...not trying to deter ya from coming up, but over the years i've never seen much out there and in typical swap meet fashion usually just worn out junk at new prices...you know how it goes

i might come up just to watch, its been a long winter! maybe i'll test and tune a bit, the old IROC has never seen the quarter, might bring a bottle but that stock 700 and 10 bolt make me nervous a couple hours from home

Well, i gotta trailer worst case scenario LOL!! i just ask that you pay for the fuel

awesome, i'll see you there. i've got an itch to scratch lol

now we just need that unknown_host guy to come in here and give us some of his nitrous tunes and turdbird to try and sell some open containers of racegas for above MSRP

Car was 3900 lbs and a driver at 250 lbs, not exactly 4200, but you get the idea.

I did not say NA either, it was being hit with a total of 450 HP worth of gas.

Dude...STOP....stop right now, your too much, that big ole excuse bag is huuuge, but your to the point now you've lost all sense of reality, so please, just stop for your own good, i think you've borderlined being the laughing stock of the board but this just solidified

Maybe I should be laughing at you now by saying "it takes your freind 450hp worth of nitrous to run 9's" tell him to take the 4 cylinder iron duke out and drop in a V8, then he can tone down the spray hit.

While i do want you to stop for your own good, at the same time, i enjoy your train wreck, so do as you please, either way your great entertainment.

Let him go, this is one of the best threads I have read in awhile. I have learned enough from him that I think I can make my car go 10's this year with one of those special home head porting kits he offers.

i just really want to know how you run pump gas and spray 450hp.....

so what that a plate and fogger setup 2 staged? i'm kinda curious now, maybe he'd like to spot out my car with only 1 stage and a lot less spray, of course he'd get walked if the car exists.

man, if he can spray 450 on pump gas the 275 i want to run is gonna be just a baby on parts

Think he is running race fuel in a separate tank or just running race fuel whenb he hits it at the track, cannot remember.

Here is the TGO member:

xtremeirocz

Here is the video:

http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/a...hapter10-9.flv

2 stages.

the car i sold, had the vic jr on it, it had light clean up in the runners, but that is all, perhaps if the porter gets too carried away, the burr might cut thru

now, i would reccomend nothing less than super victor, thats what i will be using from now on. it still lighter than a sbc vic jr.

It was the outside of the runner that was cracking on my buddies.

tell me again why LS stuff is so cool and makes so much power when your buddy has to have 2 stages of spray to hit hit 9's??? my 23* junk will far surpass that on pump gas and a 150 shot right out of the gate....but maybe you worked your magic on those heads is why it's requiring so much spray to hit 9's?? I dont know, i cant figure it out....3800lbs is a HELLAVA lot lighter than 4200lbs you tool, he's not that much heavier than i am. Heck, we could race motor to motor, or he could have 2 stages against my baby shot, either way, he's losing Regardless, the guy is running good, i'm not going to take that away from him, just too bad he's got a mouth like yours dragging his unsuspecting butt into the hornet's nest of stupidity you've opened up.

Best advise, stop posting and continue to read until you can afford to play the game and get real life experience at these levels instead of trying to act like you know but really come off as clueless, since, well, you are. Stop ruining your buddies heads/intakes until you can afford to buy your own, then have at'em, hopefully google imagines has some great pictures so you can base you hogging on them since all your research is reading and looking at pictures. Cancel your internet subscription, go back to ordering Hot Rod, Car Craft and the rest of those idiotic magazines that are only good for toilet reading since they're as full of S..T as the person sitting on the pot trying to get rid of his. This way you can spend less money so you can save up and play with the big boys, until then...shew fly, shew

wow this thread is great! lmao.... im sorry ive been missing it!

heads- you can port them yourself, but dont expect much out of them. even peak flow #'s dont tell you half the story, either. its hard to get people to truly understand, until they finally anny up and buy a GOOD set of ported heads. and the good ones are honestly pretty hard to come by.

450 shot to run 9's with a 408 in a turdgen pretty much sucks unless he was on street tires. lol

I know a guy running a 408 and spraying a 350 shot i think it was and he went 9.17 400 shot off the line put him on the bumper and broke the cutoff switch...

450 shot would go 8's.

Its actually the Victor E manifold thats used in the Victor sbc EFI kit. 4500-8500 rpm range it states which is higher than vic jr. I hope it works good if i decide to pull the trigger on it tonight

I dont praise LSx stuff what so ever, never did. I did not port xtremeirocz's heads either. With driver at 4150....you tool. I have posted threads of what i am doing, just got done with my 86 TA for DD duty and the 89 is next.

I never claimed to know it all and i have never stated i was some pro porter, so in many ways, you look like a jackass.


Sorry i got in your feeling so badly.

i think my 6200 pound pickup would go 9's on a 450 shot... given i had a set of slicks and the motor held up.

what is it with you and a bunch of other know nothings that just NEED to get the last word in? you showed that you didn't know what you were talking about at the beginning of this thread and it won't change by the end of the thread. Go away

My dad's JCB back hoe would still beat you, it's got flames on the bucket arms, so that means it's fast...i showed him pictures of Zones89rs car litered with all the holley, jegs, summit, edelbrock, comp stickers plastered all over the windows he got from a swap meet, since if it's got those stickers people will think your cool and your car is fast, but dad just told me, no, that's what magazine reading, clueless wanna be's do, the real guys dont need all that BS, since they just do it and let the results speak for themselves.

Sorry, my car is stickerless with the exception of another web site i am a member of.

So, no reply to:

"I never claimed to know it all and i have never stated i was some pro porter, so in many ways, you look like a jackass."

I understand.

i saw that intake, it hink it will work very well, with your setup, i would use the rails that are for it, if it was me, i would look into using the ls1 style tb elbow also made by edelbrock, comes with both 3 and 4 bolt pattern. the iac, and tps of your tpi should easily be adapted to a stock ls1 78mm tb. tb are less than 100$ shipped all day, even the truck tbs are the same, just have a larger throttle arm. may have to use a spacer between tb and elbow to clear the arm swing.
for your setup, the 78mm tb will not cause any restriction, a few have made over 800rwhp with it, like MM from tech.