This weekend at Bandimere was the annual Chevy show and race (local sponsorship replaced the Super Chevy show when the track and SC promoters couldn't come to terms 3 years ago). There is usually such a big turn-out at the track that we are more likely not to get the race in (happened this Friday for an ET points race) than to have extra time for racing. But, the car count was apparently down today, even with some people running more than one class; so for the first time since I've been racing at Bandimere (since 1996), they offered buy-backs for first round runner-ups today. Only first round, though. They had the buy-backs run before the 1st round winners ran the 2nd round, then the buy-back winners joined the 2nd round winners in the 3rd round. Is that the way they work it where you've seen buy-backs? Seems to me it makes more sense to throw the buy-back winners back in the 2nd round (means you have to win one more round as a first-round runner-up). But, obviously, I don't have a lot of experience with buy-backs.

I don't race points races but here at MIR on test & tune days they have a gamblers race where you can buy back the first round,and you race in the second round.

i grew up at bracket races with buy-backs so i've seen it done a few different ways. i have seen it the way you're describing. the most common way i've seen it done is to just buy-back into the second round. no extra rounds or anything just jump back in line. it's also common to see 1st AND 2nd round buy-backs, some organizations will allow you to buy back both times (if you go out first round, buy-back, go out second round, buy-back, and go into the third round.) and some organizations will only allow one or the other. i think alot of it depends on car-count, what the pot looks like, and how much time there is to get the racing in. with 2nd round buy-back's, the racing doesn't really start till the 3rd round, which stretches the racing out...

i've also seen it where all the buy-back's are grouped into they're own class and run for a "Consolation Prize", which is normally a trophy, or a smaller payout, but it doesn't count towards points, that was a while ago (early 90's) at one racetrack in SW Oklahoma, and i've never seen it done like that anywhere else.

My local is a 1st or 2nd round buyback, buyback guys have to run before the next round of racing, and winners get to move onto the round.

I've seen buy backs done different ways. Normally first round losers can buy back into the second round. I've also seen where anyone can buy back into the main race once in any round except the final. If your first loss is in the first round, you can buy back into the second. If your first loss is in the third round, you buy back into the fourth etc.

We have an upcoming race where first and second round losers buy back into a separate round (king of the hill) so first and second round losers from all the classes race each other for a separate purse. The winner of the buy back round normally wins more than the winner of the regular race. Just doesn't get a trophy to go with it.

I can see just letting everyone who wants another shot back into the 2nd round. 2nd round buy-back I can't see - you've had your 2nd chance, a third is going a little too far.

There were a lot of red lights in the buy-back run-off. I don't have a way of checking it, but I believe a lot of them lost in the 3rd round as well (my third round win was against a buy-back winner), and I don't think any of them got to the money round. There were 65 cars in first round, so it was going 7 rounds regardless, but this made the 3rd round fuller. Still had a bye in the semi-finals (determined by two coin tosses, which I won - didn't help in the finals, though).

I'm not sure about allowing buy-backs in a points race/series. First round runner ups certainly hurt when you're in a points battle. Makes a season championship all that sweeter, I guess you could say.

I'll take the cash . . .

On a regular race, a class payout is a portion of the entry fee and the winner gets a portion of that because runner up and semi's also get paid. In those races, when buy back went into a separate king of the hill round, everyone aid $20 to get into that round and all the entry fees were split 60/40 for winner and runner up.

Regular round. 20 cars pay $100 each = $2000 entry fee. 40% of that goes for payout = $800. If the winner gets 60% of that = $480. Winner may only get 40-50% depending on how many rounds they're going to pay off. Winner may get 50%, runner up 30%, semi's 20% each.

Buy back. Lets say out of all the classes, 40 cars decide to buy in at $20 each. $800 entry fee. Winner gets 60% so he still gets $480. Runner up gets 40%. If more than 40 cars enter the buyback, the winner of the buyback round gets more money than the winner of the main points race.

It all depends on how many cars buy back in and how many rounds are allowed to buy back in. If only first round losers buy back into the king of the hill race, the payout may not be as big as if first and second round losers can buy in.

In our points series and in this case, pay-out is not based on # of entries. I can understand allowing later round buy-backs if the pay-out increases with # of entries.

Sounds like there are a lot of ways to approach it. I still think the buy-backs should have to go an extra round if they're put back in the running for the original purse.

The track I race at now doesn't have buy back at all but years ago I raced at a track that did. The way they did it was 1st OR 2nd round buyback. After that you couldn't buy back. If you did buy back you just went through the next round with everyone else. I remember one time I beat a guy in the first round and he bought back in. As luck would have it I drew him again in the second round. Beat him again, he just gave me a thumbs up and put her back on the trailer.

Dan

I got beat the same way a couple of years ago. Lost the first round, bought back into the second and got paired up against the same person. Lost again in the second round. I can't remember if he went on to win or not.

Yes, there are many ways to do a buy back. If it's a points series race, I don't like the idea of someone being able to buy back into the same rotation. They lost in the first round, give them their 30 points and be done with it. A points series race should allow a buy back into a separate round just to allow the losers a chance to keep racing for a different purse but not for the points.

over here when you buy back in you're only going for the money, no points after a buy back. points days there is only a first round buy back and a few of the non points days they will do a 1st or 2nd round buy back. they run all the buybacks together and then they join the regular race again 3rd round

At our track, we some times have both if we have a low car count. 1st round buy back goes into 2nd round, with no points for 1st round. You may earn 1/2 points for every round won. If you buy back 2nd round, no points will be awarded. If you buy back you can NOT earn a by run untill every one that has not bought back has had one. I had a .0006 light and car ran on with a 4, but I had bought back round 2. If I wouldn't have bought back , I would have had a by into the final. That sucked.

I've ran all sorts of tracks and buy back options and buy backs are nothing more than track profit, so when they do 2 buy back rounds, which IMO should'nt happen but car counts are usually really really low so they're just trying to keep the lights on.

Our track has 1st round buy back only. Back backs run eachother at the start of 2nd round, that way a person does'nt take a chance of losing to a guy he already took out and technically should'nt be there in the first place, and IMO that's how it should be. Yrs ago we would just automatically buy back into second run and they'd chip us however, enough of us finally complained they switched it back to losers race losers....and i feel very strongly that's the only way it should be run.

Our track once you buy back, you get zero points the rest of the day. They used to give half points on buy backs, but then changed it since that buy back car techincally is'nt supposed to be there in the first place.

Our points championship stuff is a joke, i still buy into points to support the track but i race for the day, if i want the meassly payout and a cheap coat, i'd go to wal mart and buy a jacket and race somewhere else on an off weekend LOL!!!! I used to get all worked up bout points, counting cars/rounds, chasing guys down i needed to stop from gaining points, and then after a number of years i realized the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is actually a big bucket of crap, win $2K per day and life is much better

A gold card is a little more than a bucket of spit. Free entry into that class the next year, free entry into test & tunes, and two Mile High Nationals tickets.

But, I agree, buy-backs shouldn't get points. But, we have trouble getting races in as it is, let alone keeping them going longer with buy-backs.

I dont run points so I cant say on that, but they do have buy-backs at my track.

On race day, most of the time it is 1st round buy back. On low car turn out sometimes they have a 2nd round by back. After the 3rd round you are just out. I have seen them make the buy-back cars run each other and sometimes they just fall back into place.

Once on friday night T&T, I entered the Trophy Race. I had to race the same guy 3 times after he bought back 2 rounds. I put him on the trailer every time. I ended up winning that night.

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What's a gold card??? LOL Last time i think our track gave them away was over 20yrs ago, they do give them to the jr. drivers which they should at the very least since the parents take a huuuuge financial hit for the kids to run for a $50 savings bond, but our track ya get a jacket, $400, and a trophey or plauge....not much incentive to race for, but the $2K each day with good round money is allot better for day to day racing than a gold card. To enter all our points events is only $900 for the year's scheduled races, we're well ahead of that curve already and the season is'nt done yet, so chasing points here, is, well...pointless

We do have a tough nut to crack since the economy and car counts are'nt very high on pints weekends, typical each class is only a 6-7 round deal, so i think that is another reason points are'nt a big deal, there's just not many guys buying into it since most are long term vets and realize winning the battles pays off alot better than winning the war, since that is what helps fund the season.

We do it on Saturday's in the Gambler's race... All the buy backs run their own round, winners from the buy back rounds get in line for the second round... Sure does help the pot when you come out on top!!!!!!!

We tried it a couple times in Quick 8, all the first round losers came back in! No points given out if you come back in as a buy-back.... But then the cash goes up and that's what REALLY counts!!!!!!!!

Our track always has first and second round buy backs. We had one race called the Mulligan race which you could buy back only once at any time during the race. I kept mine until the semi's when I lost, then used my buy back and ended up winning lol.