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11-01-2012, 09:29 PM
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Auto`s not fun? sheezzzz!? try a low 5.xx ride in the 1/8 with a auto come on man, sticks are great and all but hey don`t make it sound like its a cake walk and it`s boring.....
7`s in the 1/8 w/ an auto yea I`ll give ya that, it`s gotta be like an elevator ride
I loved my t56, but it got old quick on the street but boy on the road on the turnpikes in PA/NC/SC wow that is where it shined
7`s in the 1/8 w/ an auto yea I`ll give ya that, it`s gotta be like an elevator ride
I loved my t56, but it got old quick on the street but boy on the road on the turnpikes in PA/NC/SC wow that is where it shined
lol no kiddin. my gta is literally like an elevator ride with the bottle turned off. i think i could text while going down track. dont even have to turn the wheel or anything, just sit there holding the wheel stationary and move the shifter when the light comes on. went 7.40's in my camaro with the 6 speed and it seemed like i was riding a bull or tubing behind a jet boat.
11-02-2012, 09:33 AM
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Re: down, but NOT out
In the 10+ second range a stick car can be very fun. Once you start pushing into single digits there are far more headache combos than there are successful combos. - It's the same scenario as the 5 second or faster power, just happens at a lower level.
We went through a lot of hell with the suspension tuning & namely the clutch getting my buddy's 600whp mustang to work well, especially with it being on radials and around 3600lbs(full stereo, a/c, power everything, etc). Four or five different clutches and a few different quadrants in just a couple month time span trying to find a set-up that could launch the car but still hold the power as it came out. - It's almost funny to watch a Spec 3+ with sintered bronze disc cut a 1.5x 60ft & then not even be able to shut the shift light off on the 1-2 change, lift completely off the throttle to allow the clutch to grab then same thing again on the 2-3 change. That especially irks you when the clutch is overly-aggressive to drive around town, but then won't even really attempt to hold it on the track. We actually got better performance out of a FMS "king cobra" but it wouldn't last but 1 or 2 trips to the track. Clutchmaster's we couldn't get off the line and then had disengagement issues at 7k+ on the 3-4 change. Spec 2 was simply "thank you, drive-through"......
In the GTA I ran a Hays borg&beck 3200# roller assist pp, & a Hays street/strip full face disc. I had a few sets of springs @ different rates, and a few sets of weights to get it dialed in, but once set it went consistent 1.6x 60fts on 315/35/17 nittos and ran solid 11's NA at over 4k lbs of curb weight. - I still have that clutch but I don't think your hydro will open it, lol. I had a custom mechanical set-up with a "Z-bar". That was just on a T5 too; they don't often break on the launch, it's the 2-3 change and 3rd gear under power that they break in.
I had my "fun", the GTA is going back auto. My bud's mustang is also going to end up auto in the not too distant future, as he's looking at 650+ wheel hp now and it's just not logical to keep the clutch in the car.
We went through a lot of hell with the suspension tuning & namely the clutch getting my buddy's 600whp mustang to work well, especially with it being on radials and around 3600lbs(full stereo, a/c, power everything, etc). Four or five different clutches and a few different quadrants in just a couple month time span trying to find a set-up that could launch the car but still hold the power as it came out. - It's almost funny to watch a Spec 3+ with sintered bronze disc cut a 1.5x 60ft & then not even be able to shut the shift light off on the 1-2 change, lift completely off the throttle to allow the clutch to grab then same thing again on the 2-3 change. That especially irks you when the clutch is overly-aggressive to drive around town, but then won't even really attempt to hold it on the track. We actually got better performance out of a FMS "king cobra" but it wouldn't last but 1 or 2 trips to the track. Clutchmaster's we couldn't get off the line and then had disengagement issues at 7k+ on the 3-4 change. Spec 2 was simply "thank you, drive-through"......
In the GTA I ran a Hays borg&beck 3200# roller assist pp, & a Hays street/strip full face disc. I had a few sets of springs @ different rates, and a few sets of weights to get it dialed in, but once set it went consistent 1.6x 60fts on 315/35/17 nittos and ran solid 11's NA at over 4k lbs of curb weight. - I still have that clutch but I don't think your hydro will open it, lol. I had a custom mechanical set-up with a "Z-bar". That was just on a T5 too; they don't often break on the launch, it's the 2-3 change and 3rd gear under power that they break in.
I had my "fun", the GTA is going back auto. My bud's mustang is also going to end up auto in the not too distant future, as he's looking at 650+ wheel hp now and it's just not logical to keep the clutch in the car.
11-02-2012, 10:19 AM
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well, i made a decision a little while ago to stay in the mid 10 sec range, i think that will help keep the headaches down. i'm not sure if i will pursue a faster combo in this car or not for a while. if i ever decide to really take it up a notch, i'll go back to a th400 or something...but right now the car wasn't any fun to drive, or race, and i was beginning to wonder why i even had the car.
anyhow, got another goodie in the mail today!
anyhow, got another goodie in the mail today!
11-02-2012, 03:01 PM
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Matt, I forgot, just for preference, look at the fastest 6 speed link on tech, I found that it really has good list in the sticky section on weight,ET, clutch type for preference to what clutch goes how fast with x.xx 60 foot. It is how I saw my centerforce was right at its limit(before the nitrous was ever added). If you have not taken a peek in there yet that is. I update it every now and then, that list is huge, takes me a while. No one has really been doing it, but since I have SM ability I try to help since I am a fellow gear banger.
11-02-2012, 04:58 PM
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Jeremy@RPMTransmissions has been keeping it up lately and I have studied it closely, which is how I have chosen to get a mcleod rxt twin disc when it is time to buy one. My transmission came with a lightly used monster stage 3 that should have no problems behind the 5.3
11-02-2012, 05:27 PM
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Yea, it will hold, but finding that happy ground that does not dead clamp and bog the engine but one that is not too loose if the hardest part. You'll get it figured out in time.
11-02-2012, 08:56 PM
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Oh no, that is for a manual race car really. But finding that magic spot that slips just a touch off the launch can be found looking at those combos inth fastest list since they all list their clutch type.
11-02-2012, 09:33 PM
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i've read about guys cranking up base pressure to keep it happy on the street, then going back down at the track...but that's too much time jacking up the car, lol! and i've also read that even with base pressure cranked up, they still slip when rolling into the throttle and you have to really baby it...i can imagine traffic would just flat out suck too.
11-03-2012, 02:10 AM
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All I can say is Fthat. I like going to ther track, beating it and going home. Other than a set of tires being swapped, forget everything else.
11-04-2012, 06:19 AM
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I caught hell with gm blue on my 6.0. The ford blue is nicer though since I like darker colors.
11-04-2012, 07:02 AM
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i'm generally catching hell about every decision i make right now with the car...but that's the way i like it 
it seems i do my best under opposition. i just am very thankful for everyone that is helping out with the car, and listening to me when i ask dumb questions.
it seems i do my best under opposition. i just am very thankful for everyone that is helping out with the car, and listening to me when i ask dumb questions.
11-04-2012, 08:25 AM
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first engine i ever built was that color. 350 oldsmobile. it was on the engine stand for several months and was beautiful by the time i was able to get it in the car. still runs 16 years later, although i cant say whether it was the paint color that made that possible.
keep up the progress, matt.
keep up the progress, matt.
11-04-2012, 06:47 PM
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11-05-2012, 10:27 AM
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color looks great, it'll look even more gooder with some gloss black tossed on top for a second coat.
Hurry up and toss it in the car, you might get yours done before mine....again. whew!
Hurry up and toss it in the car, you might get yours done before mine....again. whew!
11-05-2012, 02:55 PM
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I try to avoid black so I can track any leaks easier. Lol
11-05-2012, 03:19 PM
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not sure right now how it's going to go though cause i just found out i have two take home tests this weekend/next week, along with a test on thursday of this week in class...it's gonna be a long 8 days or so, and i likely won't touch the car
11-06-2012, 08:06 PM
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my test for thursday has been postponed till next week sometime, so i took a little time to do some work tonight. got the interior mostly stripped out tonight and got this sucker out. if anyone has pictures of how the braces go on the factory thirdgen pedals, that'd be nice cause i can't seem to get the "peg in the hole" so to speak.
11-06-2012, 09:32 PM
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ditch all that fuzzy jute padding crap too....mine is long gone.
11-07-2012, 12:48 AM
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See if I can take a pic, wife ha absolutely made it clear not to let me work on anything this damn week...gotta get ready for thanks giving crap...
11-07-2012, 11:14 AM
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I can take pics of it later. Dead day here at the shop anyways and the car is already on the lift.
11-07-2012, 02:46 PM
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Do these help?
11-07-2012, 03:09 PM
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that's great man! had a buddy (InfernalVortex) locally take some pics and text them to me this morning. i was able to get a little more done on it this morning:
the tick is a big joker, had to clearance the inner fender a little bit. also, the rod end is for a 3/8" shank/bolt, so i took the "pin" off the pedal, and replaced it with a 3/8" grade 8 bolt, and spot welded it in. i'll use a prevailing torque nut to keep the shaft on the bolt.
also picked these up from work today:
the tick is a big joker, had to clearance the inner fender a little bit. also, the rod end is for a 3/8" shank/bolt, so i took the "pin" off the pedal, and replaced it with a 3/8" grade 8 bolt, and spot welded it in. i'll use a prevailing torque nut to keep the shaft on the bolt.
also picked these up from work today:
11-08-2012, 08:26 PM
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i think i'm missing a clip or something here:
any ideas? i'm also thinking this may not be a GM slave, since all the pictures of the gm slaves have a gm part number in the 11 o'clock position (mine doesn't) and the fitting for the line doesn't have a slot like that.
any ideas? i'm also thinking this may not be a GM slave, since all the pictures of the gm slaves have a gm part number in the 11 o'clock position (mine doesn't) and the fitting for the line doesn't have a slot like that.
11-09-2012, 08:54 AM
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As for the pic with the slave, something definitely isn't there. I haven't messed with one off the LS trans, but does the line have the clip built in? If not, I'd probably go on and replace the slave. I know I'd hate to get everything together just to find out it was bad and have to pull the trans again.
As for the resivor and bracket, I just went to a yard and grabbed one. The resivor itself is nothing special. Lots of different cars use the same basic resivor. I know a lot of the Ford trucks use the same thing. Fabbing a bracket shouldnt' be hard.
As for the resivor and bracket, I just went to a yard and grabbed one. The resivor itself is nothing special. Lots of different cars use the same basic resivor. I know a lot of the Ford trucks use the same thing. Fabbing a bracket shouldnt' be hard.
11-09-2012, 09:33 AM
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i'll check out a boneyard if i find time...i don't have a lot of time right now to just go hunting for pieces.
this morning, i worked on cleaning the wiring in the bay up, and re-routing the fuel line. lemme know what you think of this:
where it enters. the return line will join the feed line through the rail too
then comes the daunting task of fixing the wiring on the inside of the car
this morning, i worked on cleaning the wiring in the bay up, and re-routing the fuel line. lemme know what you think of this:
where it enters. the return line will join the feed line through the rail too
then comes the daunting task of fixing the wiring on the inside of the car
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11-09-2012, 10:10 AM
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I like the design of the fuel line in the frame rail like that. The one in the engine compartment seems to have some rubber boot around it but the rear one doesn't. Is that just due to not being finished yet if not I would definitely suggest putting a boot around it somehow to stop it from chaffing. Nice job so far Matt and I cant wait to see the outcome of this project for you.
11-09-2012, 01:27 PM
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haha Sorry Matt wasn't trying to bust ***** just don't want your car going down in a blaze. Didn't think you would over look it any way you always do great work. I'm excited to see your results with a stick car because I have yet to take mine to the track and my season is done up north already. So any info will be great for me next year. Keep up the good work man!
11-12-2012, 09:57 AM
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I have my wiring routed up the frame rail like that; just pokes into the rail at the top of the kick board/base of the firewall.
11-14-2012, 11:59 AM
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