91TealRS

Every single kind of spray adhesive that I use to repair my headliner results in it sagging again. What adhesive will keep it up there even in hot weather???

91TealRS

One more thing...most of the adhesives (like 3M Spray Adhesive 77) even say on the label : DO NOT USE TO REPAIR AUTOMOTIVE HEADLINERS.

Jim85IROC

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I used the 3M crap that I bought at Wal Mart. I forget the number (I think it's 77) but it's the can with the dude reupholstering his kidnapper van. The headliner in both of my cars has been in place for over a year each, and neither has shown any signs of fatigue. I use that stuff for carpeting speaker enclosures and it has always held fine.

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I use 3M 77 as well. Matter of fact I use it for dam near anything carpeting or fabric related. Stuff kicks *** .

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86ZRICHIE

check at a local upholstery shop and see what spray adhesive they use, that's what I did, can't remember the name though, just had gold lettering on a black can. Or you could always use contact cement, that's what one shop recommended to me for my door panels, used it to secure everything but the fabric, used the stuff from the upholstery shop for that, works great, but let the glue set for a day or two (it starts to pucker when it gets heated if it doesn't set fully, I think that's what 3M 77's problem is)

purpleworm

I used some stuff on my S-10 that they use to stick carpet to speaker boxes. He told me it wouldn't stick but I tried it and was he ever wrong. I just had to get it off my head. I would use the 3M 77 stuff it works really good.

lonsal

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There is a stronger aerosol contact adhesive available as well from 3M called 90 High Strength Adhesive. But I would snoop around an auto upholstery shop as well. Ask to check out some of their work and perhaps you will see some of the product being used.

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Jza

I just used Contact Adhesive, found in a Lowes. Put it in a cheap spraygun and went loco. Better than any aerosol adhesive I've used including the kidnapper van stuff. (hehe). Although I do use that 3M glue for reattaching the sponge pieces back to the hush panels. Sticks better the longer you let it tack.

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91teal,
whats up?
gonna get a meeting sometime soon. Lotsa thirdgen bro's from allover, flood our downtown.

yea, well.. hm.... try.... safety pins. jk.

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AT4 T/A

I'm in the desert, and my car is black. I know what works when it gets hot! I used some 3M upholstery adhesive. It's the stuff used to keep the vinyl from a fake convertible top on. This stuff has been holding up my headliner for two years now, and shows no signs of letting go.

RB83L69

The problem is not that the adhesive fails; it's that the foam backing of the headliner is turning to dust. It doesn't matter how good the adhesive sticks to it, the foam continues to disintegrate, and it falls down some more.

The 3M adhesive works fine on new (or at least still good) material. Nothing will work on old stuff.

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camaro6spd

sped the money and get a ABS plastic one from Thirdgenresource.com $150. I don't really like them but they are the only ones who have it.

89V6FBIRD

When I did my headliner, i used this stuff (3M Super 77, $10 a can, ouch). It worked, til it got hot. now it sags like that old lady in Nutty Professor 2. Is there a reason (besides the heat) that this happened?

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86ZRICHIE

could be the headliner crumbling, but also the glue reverses the hardening process with heat, that's one reason contact cement works well too.

BTW, how long did you let it tack up before you put the two surfaces together? I'm thinking that if you don't let it all completely tack up it increases the chance of heat affecting the bond. I let my door panels sit for like 5 minutes and I thought they felt tacky, but I'm thinkin the more densely sprayed areas it didn't tack up well and that's why I'm havin some releasing of the material (goes right back if I smooth it out). So when I redid the top portion I used Super 77 (did it on a whim on Sunday so I couldn't ge the stuff from the upholstery shop) and let it tack up for like 20 minutes. seems to be workin fine

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Jim85IROC

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Year One (Next Generation) has it for $100.

But you gotta upholster that one just like the free one that's already in your car.


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GndPrx

Actually I believe it says something along the line of...

Do not use to attach foam to headliner or try to attach headliner where the foam has already broken down.

It is meant for headliner with the foam already attached, i.e. new headliner material

3m super 77 or super 90 work fine even in Florida heat.

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89V6FBIRD

Well, I sprayed it in small sections, maybe 4 sq ft at a time. And then i smoothed it out for about 5 min each. Then i left it in the garage overnight. I put it in the next night. The next day, under the heat, the (new) headliner sagged even worse than the old one. Will respraying the 3m 77 again fix it? TIA

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86ZRICHIE

If you didn't let it tack up(the Super 77 can says 10sec-30min so I went 20 min) before you smoothed it out, I'm guessin that's why it turned out so bad. Ever used contact cement? Same principle, both sides are tacky and bond together rock hard. If you put them together wet and you may as well have used spit.

Pull your headliner out again and use a hair dryer to let the glue release. You could try it again, but this time spray it on both the headliner and material, let that sit for like 20-30 minutes, then apply the material to the headliner smoothing it out as you go.


Let it sit overnight and then put it out in the sun (better still put it in the back of your car) the next day for about an hour and see if the material seperates, if it does you might have to try it with a new length of material. I doubt you'll have this problem, but if you do, try new material, or if your healiner was crumbly either lay down a layer of fiberglass for a smooth strong surface or get a plastic headliner.

However, my guess is that the adhesive just didn't get enough tack time before the surfaces were sandwiched.

89V6FBIRD

OOO I HAD TO WAIT BEFORE I APPLIED THE HEADLINER??? GOD I FEEL STUPID. Guess that gives me sumthin to do tomorrow. Heh, thanx

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86ZRICHIE

lol, no worries, I didn't wait quite long enough the first time with my door panels and the material lifts up a bit, tried again waiting for 20 minutes with super 77 and it worked well. I hope you have good results

RB83L69

If you're trying to glue an old headliner back on, there isn't anything in the universe that will work. What makes it fall in the first place is not the glue failing, but rather it is that the foam layer on the back of the fabric is turning to dust. So, you spray on a nice thick smear of the spooge of your choice, it sticks itself mightily to the surface of the foam, which .... as soon as you stick it to the shell, promptly proceeds to turn to dust under the new stress of being called upon to hold up all that weight. So now your headliner shell has a layer of new glue, plus a layer of fresh foam dust, thoroughly stuck to it. So, you go to the store and get some even more sticky spooge, apply a layer of it to the disintegrating foam, and stick it up there; that next incremental layer of foam turns to dust, and you have a sagging headliner and an even thicker layer of schmutz built up on your headliner shell. The process can be repeated an amazing number of times before the human finally notices that there's no foam at all left on the fabric any more, and about ¼" of foam-glue mix stuck to the shell, which now takes an act of God to get off so it can be done right.

Do yourself a favor and quit screwing around with a bunch of worn-out crap, and get some new headliner fabric. The 77 works fine on NEW material.

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89V6FBIRD

No, im using new headliner material I bought @ Joann's, cost $10.99 a sq. yard.

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86ZRICHIE

RB83L69-
guess I should've made myself more clear, I was telling him it was okay to reuse the new foam he just tried gluing on (unless the foam peeled off, then you'd want new material yet again) but if you heat it up as you peel it back you shouldn't have any problems getting it off in tqact.

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3gc

I tried redoing my headliner with new material but I didn't realize I had to let the glue sit. I let it sit overnight after I put the material on and then installed it. The next day it was sagging. I gave up and ordered a new headliner from thirdgenresource. It should come soon. I think It'll be worth the $150.

89V6FBIRD

That brand new headliner cost is what i am trying to avoid. That money is going toward a new alternator for me.

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GndPrx

Ok, everyone listen up....READ THE DIRECTIONS on the back of the spray adheasive...

For maximum bond, spray both pieces to be bonded and let it tack up for approximately 2 minutes. Then apply the two pieces.

I have yet to have material, vinyl, headliner, carpet, whatever seperate on me if you let both pieces tack or almost dry to the touch and then bond them.

Another method if you are still concerned is to use spray contact cement. Load up your air sprayer with sprayable contact cement and follow the above directions. This is how I used to bond material to kick panels and such when I had access to the right tools.

Just take your time, don't rush and you won't have to buy new headliner.

L8rs

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86ZRICHIE

Sorry, had to post this with a quote cause it deserves being in bold face. Not following this step seems to be what most peoples problems come from. The only thing you should do different is let it sit for whatever the can says, like super 77 says 10 sec-30 min. I let it sit for 20 min because I was in a hurry and it was an unnoticible spot. Make sure you also check any spots with thick spray on it to make sure it has completely tacked as well, you'll save yourself a lot of headaches by doing it right the first time.

Stephenforeman

Well look like a long time now but I'm finding a good one. Find some good one on amazon Like this one https://innovatecar.com/best-headliner-adhesive/ they pick the 3M. I think I gonna choose 3M 38808 Headliner And Fabric Adhesive. Let see how it work.