chevypower91

Hey guys,

The other night I was reading my RPO codes to see if my car ('91 Z28) was a dealer order or customer order car, but I don't see the code listed.

I know that RPO 1AY is dealer ordered and RPO 1AZ is customer ordered.

Any idea as to why the code would not show on thier?

Thanks for your help!

chevypower91

Wow!!!

No one is willing to answer my post?

scottmoyer

Or no one knows the exact answer to the question!

DJP87Z28

Customer/Dealer ordered car, what difference dose it make after all those years. Now if you were the original owner you would know, mine was a dealer ordered car.

FrankieRider2

Not necessarily.... I'm the original owner of my red '88 GTA, and it has neither code on the RPO list. So I have no idea whom or what it was ordered for.... but I'm glad it was.

DJP87Z28

If you did not special order that car you bought from Dealer order stock.

Burnout91

I'm the original owner of my Z28; bought it off the lot(I didn't special order it), it has RPO code 1AY(on the build sheet), but I'm not sure what 1AY translates to.
Bill

DJP87Z28

Read the first Post for your answer.....

chevypower91

Burnout91,

Where did you find your build sheet?

I have looked under the driver's side seat, carpet, and cannot find it.

I really can't fiqure out why neither code shows on the SPID. I am curious to find out if my car was dealer or customer ordered.

Burnout91

It was laying the back seat of the car when I bought it.

Oh, and I can even read it.
Bill

LAFireboyd

iTrader: (3)

While that's prolly true, it's not necessarily true. A car could've been customer ordered, but then the customer didn't take the car, which means it would've been sold off the lot.

I've read of people here buying such cars, and I made one such order myself back in late 1986. It was a 1987 Red Metallic IROC-Z with TPI/5-speed, grey leather interior, bose, t-tops, 4-wheel discs, performance ratio, etc. So someone in the Cincinnati area got themselves one sweet car that a dealer most-likely would not have ordered.

DJP87Z28

This Post is starting to go around in circles. As a original buyer you either special ordered or bought it out of Dealers new car stock (makes no difference if someone else made the order). The two RPOs were for Factory tracking only and ment nothing to the buyer. A special ordered car might come from another Dealers new car stock. So who really cares what a present day owner think that
a special factory ordered car is something special. In those days it was common practice and not like todays market, you take what is on the car.

LAFireboyd

iTrader: (3)

It seems like you're trying to make this a black and white issue, but it's not. There were dealer ordered cars, and there were customer ordered cars, and that's what the topic of this thread is about. I think it's cool that GM gave them appropriate RPOs to denote the difference.

And it obviously makes a difference to people(it sure made a difference to me--I ordered 4 thirdgens). I see it in topic threads like this one quite often. People like chevypower91 want to know. And he's not the first. Other people have posted that the car they just bought was a customer ordered car.

So whether or not it should make a difference, it obviously does make a difference, at least, psychologically. I think there's a touch of extra pride in knowing that the origin of the car they own was specifically special to someone.

89RS_82Z

iTrader: (2)

yea i got 2 friends that ride me abot me wanting all matching vins, thay think its pointless, well one of them has never owned a car that close to being a classic and the other one thinks he has the fastest third gen in the world but yet it dont have a motor...... well mine will be worth more than his 20 years down the road as his has been all hacked up and fixin to be tubbed and all, i will still have the all original, matching vin car car......


i would just think that would be cool to have that RPO for dealer ordered or customer ordered

COOL JUST CHECKED MY RPO's ............... 1AY

chevypower91

LAFireboyd,

Very well said!!

It appears that DJP87Z28 does not really understand as to why it is so important to me to know this...which is why I posted my question. As you stated in your post "there's a touch of extra pride in knowing that the origin of the car they own was specifically special to someone."

I have had my car since '95, and up until now I have not thought about who or how my car was ordered. The fact that neither code is listed suprises me, but someone had ordered it with it's current options. The question is who?

Thank you for your repsonse.

cheschire21

I agree, I'm not sure why I want/need to know what 1AY means but my car has it too. Do any of you know what 19T stands for?? That also didn't come up in the RPO decoder.

scottmoyer

RPO 19T is for a black convertible top.

cheschire21

Thank you!

Gary Simonds

my 87 IROC is 1AZ (customer ordered car) is there any way to find out how many were customer ordered in 1987?

also it is one of 901 built with DD8 Mirror, inside rear view automatic. and only 1385 had power drivers seat AG9 also has DK6 overhead console and twin power mirrors DG7

okfoz

The purpose of the 1AZ & 1AY seems pretty simple, but the reason is this.

1AZ indicates that the car is "sold" and it would receive a priority over cars that are 1AY that are for dealers stock. Interesting when ordering a car they had several Priorities.

1 - Urgently needed exception
2 - Highest Priority SOLD
3 - Substantial deposit SOLD
4 - Verbal Agreement SOLD
5 - Most Needed Stock
6 - Stock
7 - Stock (don't ask me why they have 2 stocks)
8 - Least Needed Stock
9 - Hold

The RPO would cue the order of priority.

John

scottmoyer

This information is also documented. https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...ro-owners.html

The 1987 model year was the first year for option packages. Chevrolet didn't know how to count individual options. If the mirror was ordered independently, it was counted. The problem is, the mirror was part of option package 3 as standard. When you look at other options that were also part of option package 3, you will find numbers greater than 901, which tells us that there are many more than 901 out there. The bigger question now is, how many cars came with option package 3? If you can find that exact number, you can then add the 901 to it. The same is true for the power seat.

In your own example, we can prove my point. The 6-way power driver seat was also part of option package 3. If all of the cars that had option package 3 came with both of those items, then the 1385 number you mentioned would also be the same number for the mirror, not 901.

Sorry, but I had to learn this the hard way when I got my car.

mantaguy

iTrader: (5)

1AZ & 1AY, Did Pontiac use these two codes?? or these just for the Chevy's

okfoz

Scott,
Does this help?

1987 Option packages
1SA - Opt Pkg 1 - 6,210
1SB - Opt Pkg 2 - 45,492
1SC - Opt Pkg 3 - 51,201
1SD - Opt Pkg 4 - 8,737

Some other fun Tid bits
UD4 - Alarm overspeed warning - 19
YF5 - Calif emissions - 14,705
Z48 - Canada Base equip - 9,168


Enjoy

scottmoyer

Nope. Doesn't help any. There were over 137k 1987 Camaros built, but your count equals 111,640. You come up about 25k short! So , again, GM didn't know how to count options or option packages in 1987.

okfoz

Could it be explained that some cars did not get an option package? I know Firebirds could be ordered without a Package...

Also I guess in the end it still would not matter, because the SC, LT, Z28 and IROC all had different options with each respective package. I did not study it, but I would imagine some things do cross over... One thing that confused me is in the Camaro Brochure for 1987, they have a 4 digit RPO... I am not sure if FCA1, FCA2, FCA3, FCA4 all translate into 1SA, 1SB, 1SC, 1SD....

Without a Camaro Car Order worksheet from 1987, it does not help a lot. Even with it, nothing would be conclusive...



John

scottmoyer

A no option car would be a 1SA package.

Gary Simonds

thanks john.

Gary Simonds

great answer scottmoyer, makes total sense. and really the numbers don't matter to me very much. i just enjoy my car!!

mantaguy

iTrader: (5)

1AZ & 1AY, Did Pontiac use these two codes?? or these just for the Chevy's

okfoz

I am not sure... My Build sheets and my Dealer invoices do not show either for my Firebirds... Have not looked at my SPIDs because it is too cold to do so... In my barn, too hard to get to type thing right now.

mantaguy

iTrader: (5)

If 1AY is "Dealer Ordered" my RPO isn't showing it.

chevypower91

My rpo does not show neither code as well. Who ordered my car?

1991 z28

okfoz

It may not be a question of who ordered the car, but it may be more along the lines of priority. The 1AZ and 1AY may have been a priority code to alert the assembly plant to push these through the system faster than a normal priority car.

So a No code car may have been a dealer ordered car for stock.

It is hard to tell and it is all conjecture at this point. It would be cool to say that "my car was custom ordered for a customer." But really it does not matter...

I know back in 1963, if you custom ordered and purchased a Brand new Buick Riviera they put a plaque on the dash "Custom made for..."

mantaguy

iTrader: (5)

"So a No code car may have been a dealer ordered car for stock."
That's what I'm thinking.

DynoDave43

iTrader: (11)

I just got off the phone with my cars original owner. A very exciting day for me!

He did confirm that he ordered the car new (which is what I suspected). It was not a dealer ordered car, or from dealer stock, but ordered as a sold unit for him.

The SPID label contains neither of these codes.

okfoz

I suspect the RPO may be more of a priority ordering thing. If he purchased the car with nothing down, then they may not have put the priority on it as if he had either put a significant amount down, or paid for it all up front.

The one priority would be the dealership priority to fill emergency stock, and the other priority would be for those customers that had put a significant amount down. ONe thing companies realize is that time matters, if they have a car that is sold with money down, they need to get that made sooner than later, before they go and buy something else... Especially if there is a deposit, because the dealership could stand to lose that sale if it took too long.

John

DynoDave43

iTrader: (11)

That is certainly a possibility, okfoz.

I just wanted to make sure that future readers of the thread don't literally equate "No 1AZ / 1AY = Not an ordered car".

I had a nice talk with the gentlemen, and he was kind enough to give me his phone # in case I have more questions in the future. I think I'll start a list, and add this to it...see if he recalls leaving a deposit, or if he has any of the old paperwork.

Either way, he was a GM employee, ordering from the closest Pontiac store to the GM Tech Center. he would have been a low "flight risk", from an ordering priority point of view.