Desperately need help with my TBI
06-17-2005, 01:17 PM
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Desperately need help with my TBI
Hi guys,
Im at a loss of what the hell is wrong with the TBI engine in my truck (please don't lock this thread - it IS a TBI after all..
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I've been struggeling to find out what is wrong with it since I bought it 3 years ago - and today I failed emissions and have a month to get it all straight.
The problem is that it runs wayyy rich and smoking black real bad (pretty much looks like a diesel if you rev it). It is particularily bad when the engine is cold, where it starts running really crappy if you just let it idle. It gets better when warm, but it is still a gas guzzler and smokes black.
When I went through emission testing today, the mechanic said that it has to be below 0.5 on the CO, but usually they are much lower. Mine was 5.83 on the first reading, then I took it out for a drive to warm it up so hopefully it would get a lower readin, but it was at 9.8
This is the stats:
1995 350TBI. Only mods is a full Gibson exhaust/headers +Catco and a K&N. 124K miles
What I have tried so far is:
New plug wires
New Cap/rotor (several times)
New sparkplugs (several times, different brands. Always gapped)
New CTS
New O2 sensor
New fuel fiter
New EGR valve
Timing is set at 4°
No SES light or codes
Any help is greatly appreciated. If I cannot get this within the legal limits, the plates will be revoked.
Thanks!!!
Ken
Im at a loss of what the hell is wrong with the TBI engine in my truck (please don't lock this thread - it IS a TBI after all..
).I've been struggeling to find out what is wrong with it since I bought it 3 years ago - and today I failed emissions and have a month to get it all straight.
The problem is that it runs wayyy rich and smoking black real bad (pretty much looks like a diesel if you rev it). It is particularily bad when the engine is cold, where it starts running really crappy if you just let it idle. It gets better when warm, but it is still a gas guzzler and smokes black.
When I went through emission testing today, the mechanic said that it has to be below 0.5 on the CO, but usually they are much lower. Mine was 5.83 on the first reading, then I took it out for a drive to warm it up so hopefully it would get a lower readin, but it was at 9.8
This is the stats:
1995 350TBI. Only mods is a full Gibson exhaust/headers +Catco and a K&N. 124K miles
What I have tried so far is:
New plug wires
New Cap/rotor (several times)
New sparkplugs (several times, different brands. Always gapped)
New CTS
New O2 sensor
New fuel fiter
New EGR valve
Timing is set at 4°
No SES light or codes
Any help is greatly appreciated. If I cannot get this within the legal limits, the plates will be revoked.
Thanks!!!
Ken
06-17-2005, 02:07 PM
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Car: 1990 Camaro RS
Engine: Juiced 5.0 TBI - 300rwhp
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.42 Eaton Posi, 10 Bolt
What were the rest of the readings? Usualy an overly rich condition will have very high HC's. Also do you have a scanner of any means, to look at what values the sensors are returning?
06-17-2005, 03:39 PM
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Unfortunately I don't have the rest of the readings. I didn't get a printout of them - he only wrote down the CO on the technical inspection check list.
I don't have a scanner either. All I have is a cheap "sensor-tester" I bought some years back, but it only had some LEDs for indication - no display to get any actual values out of.
Ken
I don't have a scanner either. All I have is a cheap "sensor-tester" I bought some years back, but it only had some LEDs for indication - no display to get any actual values out of.
Ken
06-17-2005, 04:17 PM
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Have you ever checked the fuel pressure?
A scanner would really help you.. I have seen a case where the CTS wiring was damaged/shorted.. It was obvious on the scanner, but the guy who had replaced the sensor assumed that couldn't be the fault because the sensor was new! Old wiring in an engine compartment needs to be inspected/tested closely.....
A scanner would really help you.. I have seen a case where the CTS wiring was damaged/shorted.. It was obvious on the scanner, but the guy who had replaced the sensor assumed that couldn't be the fault because the sensor was new! Old wiring in an engine compartment needs to be inspected/tested closely.....
06-17-2005, 04:24 PM
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No, I have not checked the fuel pressure yet - but as soon as I find a way to, that will be done. Someone also suggested to check the FPR diaphragm for holes.
What would be a good scanner to get, and where?
Thats a good point on the wiring. I will look over it closely. I did check the ground for the CTS on the thermostat housing. Replaced the nut/bolt/washers to ensure good contact.
Keep the ideas coming.
Thanks!!
Ken
What would be a good scanner to get, and where?
Thats a good point on the wiring. I will look over it closely. I did check the ground for the CTS on the thermostat housing. Replaced the nut/bolt/washers to ensure good contact.
Keep the ideas coming.
Thanks!!
Ken
06-17-2005, 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by ChevyKen
No, I have not checked the fuel pressure yet - but as soon as I find a way to, that will be done. Someone also suggested to check the FPR diaphragm for holes.
What would be a good scanner to get, and where?
Thats a good point on the wiring. I will look over it closely. I did check the ground for the CTS on the thermostat housing. Replaced the nut/bolt/washers to ensure good contact.
Keep the ideas coming.
Thanks!!
Ken
No, I have not checked the fuel pressure yet - but as soon as I find a way to, that will be done. Someone also suggested to check the FPR diaphragm for holes.
What would be a good scanner to get, and where?
Thats a good point on the wiring. I will look over it closely. I did check the ground for the CTS on the thermostat housing. Replaced the nut/bolt/washers to ensure good contact.
Keep the ideas coming.
Thanks!!
Ken
You must check the fuel pressure and regulator.. High fuel pressure will make it RICH!
Best scanner for you is one of the free, or trial software scanners..
Also, you said it throws no codes, is the CEL working? does it come on when you turn the key?
06-17-2005, 05:08 PM
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Oh, cool! If you could point me in the right direction of one of the free/trial ones - that would be awesome. I have a laptop I can install it on.
Yes, the SES lamp is working (when turning on ignition).
I probably have to order a gauge for the FP from the US as I doubt I can find anything around here.
Ken
Yes, the SES lamp is working (when turning on ignition).
I probably have to order a gauge for the FP from the US as I doubt I can find anything around here.
Ken
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Car: 93 GM300 platforms
Engine: LO3, LO5
Transmission: MD8 x2
You need to download WINALDL written by Jonas Bylund (aka Joby). It should run on your laptop.
You will also need to make (with inexpensive computer/electronic parts) a cable + converter that will convert the data at the ALDL connector (usually under the dash but visible near the steering wheel) into a format that the laptop can recognize and work with.
WINALDL can be downloaded here or here.
For the cable, do a search (see button at the above right side of the screen) for ALDL cable and then read the various threads. One or more of them will give you the list of what you need to buy (cheap!) and the details on how to assemble it. It's all kitchen-table (or workbench) + soldering work. HTH.
You will also need to make (with inexpensive computer/electronic parts) a cable + converter that will convert the data at the ALDL connector (usually under the dash but visible near the steering wheel) into a format that the laptop can recognize and work with.
WINALDL can be downloaded here or here.
For the cable, do a search (see button at the above right side of the screen) for ALDL cable and then read the various threads. One or more of them will give you the list of what you need to buy (cheap!) and the details on how to assemble it. It's all kitchen-table (or workbench) + soldering work. HTH.
06-18-2005, 11:18 AM
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Thanks for the info and links!
I downloaded the program, and noticed that my ECM is not found in the list. Does that mean I can't use it, or...?
My ECM is 16197427 BJYK(don't know if that is of importance).
I'll see if I can find the parts for the cable around here, if not - I'll just have to order it from the US. BTW, where do you guys get the plug for the ALDL connector when you make these cables?
Ken
I downloaded the program, and noticed that my ECM is not found in the list. Does that mean I can't use it, or...?
My ECM is 16197427 BJYK(don't know if that is of importance).
I'll see if I can find the parts for the cable around here, if not - I'll just have to order it from the US. BTW, where do you guys get the plug for the ALDL connector when you make these cables?
Ken
06-18-2005, 01:54 PM
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Car: 1990 Camaro RS
Engine: Juiced 5.0 TBI - 300rwhp
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.42 Eaton Posi, 10 Bolt
I just dug around for the DataStream info on your computer, and looked thru the supported computer list for WinALDL.
You should be able to use the selection for 16144288, it is a 23word DS list, that matches yours.
The first list here is your datastream.... the second list is the datastream for the 4288 computer.
You should be able to use the selection for 16144288, it is a 23word DS list, that matches yours.
The first list here is your datastream.... the second list is the datastream for the 4288 computer.
Code:
1. MW2 MODE WORD 2
0 ROAD SPEED PULSE OCCURRED (6.25 MSEC CHECK)
1 O/L IDLE FLAG FOR AIR SWITCH ENGAGE AT IDLE
2 REFERENCE PULSE OCCURRED (6.25 MSEC CHECK)
3 DIAGNOSTIC SWITCH IN FACTORY TEST POSITION (3.9K)
4 DIAGNOSTIC SWITCH IN DIAGNOSTIC POSITION (0 OHMS)
5 DIAGNOSTIC SWITCH IN ALDL POSITION (10K)
6 1ST TIME IDLE FLAG 0 = 1ST TIME 1 = REGULAR
7 IDLE FLAG 1=TPS < KISTPSI & MPH < KIDLMPH
2. PROMIDA FIRST PROM ID WORD
3. PROMIDB SECOND PROM ID WORD
4. ISSPMP IAC PRESENT MOTOR POSITION
N = IAC STEPS
5. ADCOOL COOLANT TEMPERATURE, A/D COUNTS
SEE ATTACHED TABLE
6. FILTMPH FILTERED MILES PER HOUR VARIABLE
MPH = N
7. ADMAP MANIFOLD ABSOLUTE PRESSURE VARIABLE
VOLTS = N*(5/255)
8. NTRPMX ENGINE SPEED (RPM) VARIABLE
RPM = N*25
9. ADTHROT THROTTLE POSITION, A/D COUNTS
VOLTS = N*(5/255)
10. INT INTEGRATOR, BASE PULSE (FUEL) CORRECTION
11. ADO2A OXYGEN SENSOR MINOR LOOP FILTERED VALUE
MILLIVOLTS = N * (1000/226)
12. MALFFLG1 MALF FLAG WORD 1
0 MALF CODE 24 VEHICLE SPEED SENSOR
1 MALF CODE 23 NOT USED
2 MALF CODE 22 THROTTLE POSITION SENSOR LOW
3 MALF CODE 21 THROTTLE POSITION SENSOR HIGH
4 MALF CODE 15 COOLANT SENSOR LOW TEMPERATURE
5 MALF CODE 14 COOLANT SENSOR HIGH TEMPERATURE
6 MALF CODE 13 OXYGEN SENSOR
7 MALF CODE 12 NO REFERENCE PULSES (ENGINE NOT RUNNING)
13. MALFFLG2 MALF FLAG WORD 2
0 MALF CODE 42 ELECTRONIC SPARK TIMING MONITOR ERROR
1 MALF CODE 41 NOT USED
2 MALF CODE 35 NOT USED
3 MALF CODE 34 MAP SENSOR LOW
4 MALF CODE 33 MAP SENSOR HIGH
5 MALF CODE 32 EXHAUST GAS RECIRCULATION FAILURE
6 MALF CODE 31 NOT USED
7 MALF CODE 25 NOT USED
..PAGE
14. MALFFLG3 MALF FLAG WORD 3
0 MALF CODE 55 ADU ERROR
1 MALF CODE 54 FUEL PUMP RELAY MALFUNCTION
2 MALF CODE 53 NOT USED
3 MALF CODE 52 CAL-PACK MISSING
4 MALF CODE 51 PROM ERROR
5 MALF CODE 45 OXYGEN SENSOR RICH
6 MALF CODE 44 OXYGEN SENSOR LEAN
7 MALF CODE 43 ELECTRONIC SPARK CONTROL FAILURE
15. MWAF1 AIR/FUEL MODE WORD 1
del in 93' 0 CLEAR FLOOD FLAG (1=CRANKED IN CLEAR FLOOD MODE)
1 LEARN CONTROL ENABLE FLAG (1=ENABLE STORE, 0=DISABLE)
del in 93' 2 LOW BATTERY (1=LOW)
del in 93' 3 A/F DECAY INTERRUPT DONE FLAG FOR COLD PARK-TO-DRIVE
4 ASYNCHRONOUS PULSE FLAG (AP FLAG)
5 CLOSED LOOP FOR O/L IDLE CONDITION
6 RICH LEAN FLAG (1=RICH, 0=LEAN)
7 CLOSED LOOP FLAG (1=CLOSED LOOP, 0=OPEN LOOP)
16. ADBAT BATTERY VOLTAGE, A/D COUNTS
VOLTS = N/10
17. MCU2IO MCU INPUT/OUTPUT SECOND STATUS WORD
0 AIR SWITCH (1 = SOLENOID ENGAGED)
1 AIR DIVERT (1 = SOLENOID ENGAGED)
2 OF3 GOVERNOR OVER SPEED LIGHT (1=LIGHT ON)
3 TCC (1 = CONVERTER LOCKED, SOLENOID ON )/SHIFT LIGHT 93'
4 PARK NEUTRAL (0 = DRIVE)
5 HIGH GEAR (0 = SWITCH OPEN = HIGH GEAR ACTIVE)
6 FRTH (NOT USED)
7 AIR CONDITIONER (0 = A/C REQUESTED)
18. OLDPA3 ELECTRONIC SPARK CONT.(KNOCK) COUNTER INPUT
N = COUNTS
19. BLM BLOCK LEARN MULTIPLIER,BASE PULSE FUEL CORRECTION
20. ALDLCNTR OXYGEN SENSOR VOLTAGE TRANSITION COUNTER
N = O2 SENSOR RICH/LEAN TRANSITION COUNTER
21. PPSWVLT FUEL PUMP POWER SWITCH VOLTAGE
V = N/10
22. DESSPD DESIRED IDLE RPM
RPM = 12.5N
23. NTPSLD RESCALED TPS
% = N/2.55 Code:
1 MODE WORD 2
0 ROAD SPEED PULSE OCCURRED
1 ESC 43B READY FOR SECOND PE
2 REFERENCE PULSE OCCURRED
3 DIAGNOSTIC SWITCH IN FACTORY TEST POSITION (3.9K)
4 DIAGNOSTIC SWITCH IN DIAGNOSTIC POSITION (0 OHMS)
5 DIAGNOSTIC SWITCH IN ALDL POSITION (10k)
6 1ST TIME IDLE FLAG 0 = FIRST TIME
7 IDLE FLAG 1=TPS < KISTPSI & MPH < KIDLMPH
2 PROMID (MSB)
3 PROMID (LSB) PROMID = (MSB)*256 + (LSB)
4 IAC PRESENT POSITION N = COUNTS
5 COOLANT TEMPERATURE SEE TABLE 1
6 VEHICLE SPEED MPH = N
7 MANIFOLD ABSOLUTE PRESSURE VOLTS = N * .0196
8 ENGINE RPM RPM = N * 25
9 THROTTLE POSITION SENSOR VOLTS = N * .0196
10 CLOSED LOOP INTEGRATOR NONE
11 OXYGEN SENSOR MILLIVOLTS = N * 4.34
12 MALFFLG1
0 MALF CODE 24 VEHICLE SPEED SENSOR
1 (MALF CODE 23)
2 MALF CODE 22 THROTTLE POSITION SENSOR LOW
3 MALF CODE 21 THROTTLE POSITION SENSOR HIGH
4 MALF CODE 15 COOLANT SENSOR LOW
5 MALF CODE 14 COOLANT SENSOR HIGH
6 MALF CODE 13 OXYGEN SENSOR
7 MALF CODE 12 NO REFERENCE PULSES
13 MALFFLG2
0 MALF CODE 42 ELECTRONIC SPARK TIMING MONITOR ERROR
1 (MALF CODE 41)
2 (MALF CODE 35)
3 MALF CODE 34 MAP SENSOR LOW
4 MALF CODE 33 MAP SENSOR HIGH
5 MALF CODE 32 EXHAUST GAS RECIRCULATION FAILURE
6 MALF CODE 31 GOVERNOR FAILURE
7 (MALF CODE 25)
..PAGE
14 MALFFLG3
0 MALF CODE 55 ADU ERROR
1 MALF CODE 54 FUEL PUMP RELAY FAILURE
2 (MALF CODE 53)
3 MALF CODE 52 CAL PACK MISSING
4 MALF CODE 51 PROM ERROR
5 MALF CODE 45 OXYGEN SENSOR RICH
6 MALF CODE 44 OXYGEN SENSOR LEAN
7 MALF CODE 43 ELECTRONIC SPARK CONTROL FAILURE
15 MWAF1
0 CLEAR FLOOD FLAG 1 = CRANKED IN C/FLOOD
1 LEARN CONTROL ENABLE FLAG 1 = ENABLE STORE
2 LOW BATTERY 1 = LOW
3 4-3 DOWNSHIFT FOR TCC UNLOCK
4 ASYNCHRONOUS FLAG
5 OLD HIGH GEAR FLAG 0 = HIGH GEAR LAST TIME
6 RICH LEAN FLAG 1 = RICH 0 = LEAN
7 CLOSED LOOP FLAG 1 = CLOSED LOOP
16 BATTERY VOLTAGE VOLTS = N * .1
17 MCU2IO
0 AIR SWITCH 1 = SOLENOID ENGAGED
1 AIR DIVERT 1 = SOLENOID ENGAGED
2 OF3 A/C 1 = A/C DISABLED
3 TCC 1 = TCC LOCKED
4 PARK NEUTRAL 0 = DRIVE
5 HIGH GEAR 0 = SWITCH OPEN
6 FRTJ (NOT USED)
7 AIR CONDITIONER 0 = A/C REQUESTED
18 OLDPA3 N = COUNTS
19 BASE PULSE COURSE CORRECTION(BLM)
20 O2 CROSS COUNTS N = COUNTS
21 FUEL PUMP POWER SWITCH VOLTAGE V = N/10
22 DESIRED IDLE RPM RPM = 12.5N
23 RESCALED TPS % = N/2.55
06-19-2005, 01:19 AM
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Car: 1990 Camaro RS
Engine: 305 TBI (L03)
Transmission: 700R4 (MD8)
Axle/Gears: 2.73 Open (GU2)
Have you checked your vaccum lines? A vaccum leak can cause a rough idle/running rich situation.
Just a simple test and if that isn't it, you only wasted 5 minutes of your time.
Just a simple test and if that isn't it, you only wasted 5 minutes of your time.
07-15-2005, 06:06 PM
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Hi again guys! I have been away on vacation and thus away from the boards and all for some weeks.
Dewey,
Thanks for digging out that info!!
MikeDirntRulez,
I have checked for vacuum leaks but have not found anything.
I now got WinALDL installed on my laptop and created a cable to hook it up to the car.
As this is something I have never done before - I'd appreciate some pointers on where/how to get started on the program, and what to look for (or post on here) to help finding the problem.
Thanks!!
Ken
Dewey,
Thanks for digging out that info!!
MikeDirntRulez,
I have checked for vacuum leaks but have not found anything.
I now got WinALDL installed on my laptop and created a cable to hook it up to the car.
As this is something I have never done before - I'd appreciate some pointers on where/how to get started on the program, and what to look for (or post on here) to help finding the problem.
Thanks!!
Ken
07-16-2005, 01:02 AM
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Car: 1990 Camaro RS
Engine: Juiced 5.0 TBI - 300rwhp
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.42 Eaton Posi, 10 Bolt
When you get datalogs, post them up in here, there are plenty of us that will look them over for you.
07-16-2005, 04:56 AM
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Awesome, thanks!
Now, when running the datalogger, should the car just be sitting idling, or should I drive it around? Also, how long should I run the datalogger? From cold until it is warm?
Im sorry for all the questions, but Im just all new to this and haven't found a lot of info on WinALDL for starters
Ken
Now, when running the datalogger, should the car just be sitting idling, or should I drive it around? Also, how long should I run the datalogger? From cold until it is warm?
Im sorry for all the questions, but Im just all new to this and haven't found a lot of info on WinALDL for starters
Ken
07-16-2005, 07:15 AM
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Car: 1990 Camaro RS
Engine: Juiced 5.0 TBI - 300rwhp
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.42 Eaton Posi, 10 Bolt
we will get a lot more data when it is warmed, but it seems that cold idle is the most problematic, so I would get that, you might add in some info with you doinging some normal driving.
07-16-2005, 09:02 AM
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Just hooked up the computer to the ALDL for the first time, and I obviously cannot reach the ECM because I get nothing when selecting one or more of the choices in Datalogger and pressing Start.
I made this cable:
My ALDL connector looks like this and I connected the wires as indicated here:
I made this cable:
My ALDL connector looks like this and I connected the wires as indicated here:
07-16-2005, 09:08 AM
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Car: 1990 Camaro RS
Engine: Juiced 5.0 TBI - 300rwhp
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.42 Eaton Posi, 10 Bolt
try removing the 10k resistor to Pin B, after you get the car started, and see if data then starts to flow.
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Car: 1990 Camaro RS
Engine: Juiced 5.0 TBI - 300rwhp
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.42 Eaton Posi, 10 Bolt
yeah, start the car up, then disconnect B, leave A and M attached.
(this is just a guess. I have no experiance with your ECM, but on the TPI cars that use the 10k resistor, they have to disconnect it to actualy start use the data.)
You might also try it with only A and M hooked up, and completely ignor the 10k to B.
(this is just a guess. I have no experiance with your ECM, but on the TPI cars that use the 10k resistor, they have to disconnect it to actualy start use the data.)
You might also try it with only A and M hooked up, and completely ignor the 10k to B.
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Car: El camino 70 ss
Engine: corvette lt1 94
Transmission: 4L60E
The p4 ecm 16197427 and bin BJYK you have is for 350 lo5 1995 truck engine
Its a 8192 baud not 160 baud (winaldl vill not work).
Aldl om pin M
tuner pro rt
tts datamaster
Its a 8192 baud not 160 baud (winaldl vill not work).
Aldl om pin M
tuner pro rt
tts datamaster
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07-16-2005, 01:19 PM
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Hey good to see another scandinavian
This is not for the 305 in my Camaro, it is in my truck as mentioned in the initial post. However, sounds like you pointed out the problem with why WinALDL is not working then.. Thanks!!
Now, of course the next question is - what tool/cable do I need to scan this ECM?
Ken
This is not for the 305 in my Camaro, it is in my truck as mentioned in the initial post. However, sounds like you pointed out the problem with why WinALDL is not working then.. Thanks!!
Now, of course the next question is - what tool/cable do I need to scan this ECM?
Ken
07-16-2005, 01:21 PM
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Car: 1990 Camaro RS
Engine: Juiced 5.0 TBI - 300rwhp
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.42 Eaton Posi, 10 Bolt
the two tansister cable should work for the high baud stuff.
honken, nice catch, i didn't even look at the baud rate on it.
honken, nice catch, i didn't even look at the baud rate on it.
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Transmission: 4L60E
07-16-2005, 03:14 PM
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Downloaded Tuner Pro and went outside to try, and I was not able to connect with the Tuner Pro and the 2-transistor cable either. Im starting to wonder if there could be a problem with the cable anyway. I have tested the components though and cannot seem to find anything wrong.
It says No Hardware detected and ALDL not Connected.
On the Tuner Pro I could not find anywhere to select the correct ECM like in WinALDL, does it figure that out itself?
Do any of you know for sure if Tuner Pro should work with my ECM?
Thanks again guys - I really appreciate your help!!
Ken
It says No Hardware detected and ALDL not Connected.
On the Tuner Pro I could not find anywhere to select the correct ECM like in WinALDL, does it figure that out itself?
Do any of you know for sure if Tuner Pro should work with my ECM?
Thanks again guys - I really appreciate your help!!
Ken
07-17-2005, 04:33 AM
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Used the ads file you sent me, but no luck. However, Im now suspecting something else to be the problem, because I tried hooking up to the Camaro as well to verify that I could connect to an ECM known by at least either WinALDL or TunerPro - but I could not! Are there any specific settings that needs to be done to the COM port? I will try loading the software on another newer laptop and see what happens.
Ken
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You set it to com 1 in the preference in rt.
You can test the kable in preference.
I have the mastach kable and its working for me.
havent hade the 2resistor kable (made a 1 resistor kable to my 7747 C3ecm 90 lo5 eng worked with winaldl and rt 160 baud ecm).
I have an old dell lap top 300mgz and xp on it set the kable to
com 1 works for me.
I dont now enytinge about tpi think its a 8192 baud and you need a diffrent ads file
You can test the kable in preference.
I have the mastach kable and its working for me.
havent hade the 2resistor kable (made a 1 resistor kable to my 7747 C3ecm 90 lo5 eng worked with winaldl and rt 160 baud ecm).
I have an old dell lap top 300mgz and xp on it set the kable to
com 1 works for me.
I dont now enytinge about tpi think its a 8192 baud and you need a diffrent ads file
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07-17-2005, 05:37 AM
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Did the test now and it says cable found and functional
I first used an old Dell 400Mhz laptop with XP, and now I have tried a newer Dell laptop with W2K - same result. Nothing. Is it possible that the Data connector is not on where I indicated "M" in the picture above?
When I tried against the Camaro, I used WinALDL and ECM type 1227165 which is what I have.
On the 1 trans. cable you use - do you use 12V from the cig. lighter?
Ken
I first used an old Dell 400Mhz laptop with XP, and now I have tried a newer Dell laptop with W2K - same result. Nothing. Is it possible that the Data connector is not on where I indicated "M" in the picture above?
When I tried against the Camaro, I used WinALDL and ECM type 1227165 which is what I have.
On the 1 trans. cable you use - do you use 12V from the cig. lighter?
Ken
07-17-2005, 05:50 AM
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Car: El camino 70 ss
Engine: corvette lt1 94
Transmission: 4L60E
If you look at the box you can se where the M is
but i have 94 engine ,trans and all the electric wiring fuse box
from a g20 van and the pin m is where you have it on the pictuer.
but i have 94 engine ,trans and all the electric wiring fuse box
from a g20 van and the pin m is where you have it on the pictuer.
07-17-2005, 05:53 AM
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Car: El camino 70 ss
Engine: corvette lt1 94
Transmission: 4L60E
Its for 160 baud only.
http://winaldl.joby.se/aldlcable.htm
http://winaldl.joby.se/aldlcable.htm
07-17-2005, 06:11 AM
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Car: El camino 70 ss
Engine: corvette lt1 94
Transmission: 4L60E
On my mastach and the 1 resistor kable the ground kable from the aldl kable is put in pin A (its the ecm ground).
dont now whit the 2 resistor kable.
dont now whit the 2 resistor kable.
07-17-2005, 07:31 AM
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That is the way I have understood the 2-trans cable to work as well.
I have now given external 12V to the cable, but it is still the same.
What the
is going on with this crap? Man, Im getting f****** frusterated now. I have less than two weeks to get this retarded moron car straight before my plates will be revoked if I cannot pass emissions....
Ken
I have now given external 12V to the cable, but it is still the same.
What the
is going on with this crap? Man, Im getting f****** frusterated now. I have less than two weeks to get this retarded moron car straight before my plates will be revoked if I cannot pass emissions.... Ken
07-17-2005, 09:57 AM
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Car: El camino 70 ss
Engine: corvette lt1 94
Transmission: 4L60E
The camaro engine ecm 1227165 reds on pin E.
The mastach kable i have for 160 and 8192 baud.
http://www.mastach.com/index.php?mod..._hardware&l=en
Its wered that you se the cable when you test but cant connect to the ecm.
Read this:
http://www.aldlcable.com/sc/pages.asp?id=24
The mastach kable i have for 160 and 8192 baud.
http://www.mastach.com/index.php?mod..._hardware&l=en
Its wered that you se the cable when you test but cant connect to the ecm.
Read this:
http://www.aldlcable.com/sc/pages.asp?id=24
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07-17-2005, 02:27 PM
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Thanks for the links!
I think I'll try to make the mastach cable and see how that turns out. I just tried hooking up with Datamaster and I still cannot connect. When I tested the COM from there it said that the ALDL adaptor was ok but that it got an unexpected response and that the PCM may not be supported..
If I make the other cable and still cannot connect, I'd almost start suspecting that there is something wrong with the data connection between ALDL plug and the ECM or the ECM itself?
Ken
I think I'll try to make the mastach cable and see how that turns out. I just tried hooking up with Datamaster and I still cannot connect. When I tested the COM from there it said that the ALDL adaptor was ok but that it got an unexpected response and that the PCM may not be supported..
If I make the other cable and still cannot connect, I'd almost start suspecting that there is something wrong with the data connection between ALDL plug and the ECM or the ECM itself?
Ken
07-17-2005, 04:30 PM
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Car: El camino 70 ss
Engine: corvette lt1 94
Transmission: 4L60E
The link http://www.aldlcable.com/sc/pages.asp?id=24 is not the
mastach kable its a kable that you buy.
The link was about kabel the 2-trans with a 12v cig and it work for all obd1 car they say.has not the same schematic as you
at the same page you have with max 232 chip like the mastach kable a think.
why cant you connect to the camaro with the same kable and
winaldl its looks that it is the kable is wrong maybe you can detect the kable but the kable dont understand the datastream.
When i tested tts DM32*OD a hade a hard time get connected
with the mastach kable (sade the same to me i hade but in the
new built engine,trans and the electrik from 94 in the car. hade the ostrich as chip and dident want to ruin the new cam) it take
me a lot off twiking with it before it connected to ecm.
mastach kable its a kable that you buy.
The link was about kabel the 2-trans with a 12v cig and it work for all obd1 car they say.has not the same schematic as you
at the same page you have with max 232 chip like the mastach kable a think.
why cant you connect to the camaro with the same kable and
winaldl its looks that it is the kable is wrong maybe you can detect the kable but the kable dont understand the datastream.
When i tested tts DM32*OD a hade a hard time get connected
with the mastach kable (sade the same to me i hade but in the
new built engine,trans and the electrik from 94 in the car. hade the ostrich as chip and dident want to ruin the new cam) it take
me a lot off twiking with it before it connected to ecm.
07-17-2005, 05:21 PM
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Oh, I see what you mean. I'll try to make the cable you linked to.
I have not tried to connect to the Camaro after I altered my cable to use an external 12V. That was for sure one of the problems, because my COM port gives out a -5V instead of +5V, so the that would never work.
I'll try the cable with the 12V from the cig. lighter in the Camaro tomorrow.
You mentioned you had a lot of trouble connecting to the tts - but what did you do to make it work? Just keep trying to connect, or did you change anything?
Ken
I have not tried to connect to the Camaro after I altered my cable to use an external 12V. That was for sure one of the problems, because my COM port gives out a -5V instead of +5V, so the that would never work.
I'll try the cable with the 12V from the cig. lighter in the Camaro tomorrow.
You mentioned you had a lot of trouble connecting to the tts - but what did you do to make it work? Just keep trying to connect, or did you change anything?
Ken
07-17-2005, 06:10 PM
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Car: El camino 70 ss
Engine: corvette lt1 94
Transmission: 4L60E
It was in file/rec aldldata/options/advanced(hade som trouble with zip dip for the emulator at the same time).
I hade the od file to rt but it dident work then and hade to have
the car ready thats why a hade tts. I found the trouble in the od ads and fix it works in my car with out trouble.
I start to belive it is the kable (if it not works on the camaro).
you have som 100k where the kable on the link has 10k and
some more staff that the link kabel dont have.where did you
finde it. the kable in the link is more like 1-trans kable i have with 2-trans instead off 1. mabye for c3ecm tpi i realy dont now
I hade the od file to rt but it dident work then and hade to have
the car ready thats why a hade tts. I found the trouble in the od ads and fix it works in my car with out trouble.
I start to belive it is the kable (if it not works on the camaro).
you have som 100k where the kable on the link has 10k and
some more staff that the link kabel dont have.where did you
finde it. the kable in the link is more like 1-trans kable i have with 2-trans instead off 1. mabye for c3ecm tpi i realy dont now
07-23-2005, 11:17 AM
#46
Hey folks!
Made a new cable like the one from aldlcable.com and now I finally can connect with both TunerPro RT and TTS Datamaster OD.
I did a recording with TTS OD, so if anyone has a moment to look at it right quick and see if there is anything obvious - I'd really appreciate it!!
The file can be found here:
http://www.chevyworld.net/chevyken/tahoe/Tahoe1.uni
Thanks!!!
Ken
Made a new cable like the one from aldlcable.com and now I finally can connect with both TunerPro RT and TTS Datamaster OD.
I did a recording with TTS OD, so if anyone has a moment to look at it right quick and see if there is anything obvious - I'd really appreciate it!!
The file can be found here:
http://www.chevyworld.net/chevyken/tahoe/Tahoe1.uni
Thanks!!!
Ken
07-24-2005, 04:54 AM
#49
Did a longer recording while out on a short trip through a variety of speeds etc.
Here is the recording in .uni, .csv and .xls format:
http://www.chevyworld.net/chevyken/tahoe/Tahoe2.uni
http://www.chevyworld.net/chevyken/tahoe/Tahoe2.csv
http://www.chevyworld.net/chevyken/tahoe/Tahoe2.xls
As adviced by Honken, I will today check if I can see any sputtering from the injectors, set the timing back to 0° and disconnect the battery to reset the ECM.
Ken
Here is the recording in .uni, .csv and .xls format:
http://www.chevyworld.net/chevyken/tahoe/Tahoe2.uni
http://www.chevyworld.net/chevyken/tahoe/Tahoe2.csv
http://www.chevyworld.net/chevyken/tahoe/Tahoe2.xls
As adviced by Honken, I will today check if I can see any sputtering from the injectors, set the timing back to 0° and disconnect the battery to reset the ECM.
Ken
