Keith5

I'm looking at these Vigilante Torque Converters, but they have a 1 disc, a 3 disc, and a 5 disc.

What are the pros and cons here?

Pro Built Automatics

What are you wanting to accomplish?

Keith5

Right now I'm trying to get to the 14s, I want to dip lower later on(not sure how yet).

I won't be driving the car on the road that much. I've had it 4 years now and I have only put 16K miles on it.

I will probably be driving it even less in the coming years. I mainly just want it for the track.

I would like to have a lockup converter. I don't understand why one might need the multi disc coverter as opposed to the single disc? Is that need based on horsepower level or amount of street usage?

Keith5

Oh, I've also setttled on finding a 3.42 LS1 rear to go on the car too.

I would probably do a rear end first. Maybe do them both at the same time.

chris718

an expensive multi disk or otherwise torque converter is really not a worthwhile addition to a 14 second street car .especially a multi disk lock up convertor.there are other designs that will work great with your combination as well as give you improved performance and a reliable lock up clutch.one is the factory dclf 700r4 convertor.itll produce around 2200 rpm stall speed with your combination and provide reliable service as well as excellent torque multiplying characteristics in the 2.0:1 range below max stall rpm.there are also restalled versions of this convertor that will stall as high as 2800 rpms with an engine producing more input torque.another alternative to the dclf is a 10/12 convertor which is available in any stall speed from 2800 to 4000 rpms.it uses a factory gm 12 " 700r4convertor cover and a 10 "440 t4 convertor pump to produce an awesome torque convertor that improves performance and durability in all applications up to 550 horsepower.above this level it is available with a billet cover that will remove the possibility of the cover flexing up to 1000 horsepower.as a matter of fact the stock dclf or restalled dclf will provide better fuel economy and off idle throttle response than the 10/12 ,or any other design as well as never have an issue with the lock up clutch not being adequate.

Keith5

I've heard that a stock style converter that has been restalled doesn't help drop ET's as well as some of the newer designs.

2200rpms is way too f*ing low. I'm not caring about fuel economy or streetability here. I want to build the foundation for a 400hp car.

It may just be running in the 15's now, but my goal is higher than 14's, 14's is my goal with the 305.

chris718

on the contrary the restaller is a very good piece .we have used it in many 12 second street cars with great success and fuel economy.it also depends on whose piece it is.some are not very good restalls especially those that dont use the 14 blade stator .we use restaalled d5s which is the equivalent of a dclf but it is for 2004rs behind grand national motors running 11.60s.

Keith5

My question was about the discs in the first place, not which converter to get.

chris718

i understood the question,i just dont think you need that type of converter.i did answer the questions in regards to the disc,just in a way that doesnt pertain to the use of the product that you want to use.i just dont think it is necessary.if you are set on a precision converter than i dont think anything other than a single disk will be necessary for your application.disc surface area is selected in relation to horsepower and load reached when lock up will be initiated.

Keith5

Thank you, that is what I wanted to know. So the multi disc converter goes on power levels, if I had a 400hp engine, would the the single clutch still be adequate?

I was mistaken though. I said that I had heard that a viliante was much better than a revalved converter, I have heard that, but what I really had in my mind was YANK converters.

The Yank unit is supposed to be effecient.

chris718

a single disc converter is good beyond 400 horsepower.

Keith5

Cool, that's all I would ever need.

junkcltr

iTrader: (1)

I know this is a very old thread, but what is the rating for a 700R4 12" single TCC of different materials?

stock single disk Cellulose: ??? ft-lb
stock single disk Carbon filled: ??? ft-lb (stock DLLF or DCLF)
stock single disk Woven Carbon: ??? ft-lb (stock DLNF or DCNF)