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He promisses to get the prom just right to your satisfaction. Don't see that much anymore.
I am going to collect data this weekend using a trial run of TTS software. I will then send it to Alvin for him to upgrade the program. He will then forward the program to me to burn into my chip using Pocket Programmer.
Damn technology is great!!!! :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
I'm interested in how this is progressing. I have a question though. Will this install work on a stock setting camaro? My battery is on the passenger side, and the cannister is the the middle on the drivers side. Will I need to relocate anything before I can get the twin intercoolers to work?
The kit comes with a bracket to relocate the battery.
Not sure about the vacuum canistor. Mine was already relocated.
These items are actually minor compared to the rest of the install.
Pretty much a PITA huh? Well, I still like procharger a lot better than most companies out there.
If you were to start on a stock car, hypothetical, how long would the total install take in hours? Just a wild guess will do, I want to plan the time off work that I will need to install everything and get it running. Plus a little extra to rest on
some questions for you all?
1-why use rubber hose? would not pvc, stainless tubing, or somethinf else work better?
2-does installing colers so close to the front end cause any clearance problems? we all remember how the lower spoliers rub on our z and ta's?
3- looked for willies post on tenicious web site and could not find it?
and just a comment..
checked willies info, and more pics on z web site, and i am totally impressed on his pics, attention to detail, and plan of attack . so willies here to you dude!:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:
Hi all, I have a '89 bird with a P1SC two core IC. I need more air flow to cool the motor, on hot days my temp goes to 220. Anyway I was wondering if this 2 piece IC will work on a 1989 bird. My IC blocks alot of air flow going to the radiator. Any information will be greatly appreciated.
pvc works but it is a temporary solution at best. The standard hardware store stuff is schedule 40, thick stuff, it does make for some clearance issues. Also it is not stable enough for underhood temps long term. The pipe I used is starting to deform in places. One piece on the blower intake side had to be replaced with a 90deg rubber hose, it works but I lose about 4lbs boost over the old setup untill I get a proper piece made up.
__________________ 91 Formula
350 TPI-Heavily ported
T-56 tranny
Novi 2000-gone T-70single turbo in
Borla Cat-Back
Spohn Torque Arm
Eibach Pro lines and Tokico Illuminas all around
LS1 braked all around
Zeitronix WBO2
7730 running $59 code
im looking to do a similar set up for a twin turbo system and was wondering how much air do those intercoolers flow each? how much power can they support? im looking for 800 RWHP which would equate to around 1000 FWHP.
Originally posted by mypontiac
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I recommend this set up for anyone interested in a supercharger. [/b]
Hey Sean I just sent you and email. I'm interested in seeing your setup personally, if you don't mind. I know my car is a Z28 but seeing is believing. I understand my setup would be more like Willie's. But I'd like to see exactly what I'd be getting into as far labor goes. I have another mode of transportation so My Z28 could sit up for a while to complete the install in a timely matter. I take off work for the winter so I'll have time to do plenty of MODs. I've ordered numerous parts from Spohn, Lon (TDS) and a few little hard to find stuff off eBay, so I plan to totally finish my car by spring. Your install looks awesome. Great Job!!!
Toney
__________________ 91' Z28 Converible 305 w/5spd under construction
Mypontiac what do you have the smc kit pump speed set at , and is it the progressive kit?
Popping through the intake usually indicates a lean condition.It's crazy for me to see you running only 23# injectors. What is your vacuum line off at idle fuel pressure? It is boost referenced AFPR right. I'll bet the injectors have a duty cycle of 95% if not more.
Stock FPR. The AFPR kept blowing??? So I went back to stock.
Yes, I figured that it was a lean condition due to the added air flow even at idle with the bypass active.
There is still a noticable difference in idle with the blower active vs. not active.
I have not persued determining the duty cycle of the injectors. I used the flow rate recommended by Willie. I have a air/fuel ratio gauge and monitored it during the programming of my custom chip.
Everything is fine with the pulley that was developed with this chip.
As you know, I tried using a smaller pulley and things were not happy.
I have made myself stay content and the car runs perfect.
Have not made it to the track, although I am anxious to do so. Since I have a convertible, once I run I expect to be told that I need a roll cage.
I have went through much effort to get the stock regulator put back in place after blowing at least 3 AFPR. The diaphrams would fail with the ATI fuel system that increases pressure during boost.
The buick (gn) afpr uses a boost reference where as the fuel pressure starts at lets say 45 and increases as 1 psi of boost is introduced 1 psi of fuel pressure is increased. So I run 20 psi of boost with a base of 45psi(vac line off)=65 psi at wot at max boost.
All I'm trying to state is that if ati can't make a good afpr, somebody does and trust me it's worth it.
Yes. I also have a 89 TTA and the AFPR that are available are much better than what you can get for the 91 TA. I went through 2 Holleys and one other brand. All failed during boost. ATI does not supply the AFPR. Actually, the AFPR is not required under their setup. A seperate fuel management diaphram is used to increase pressure under boost.
Yes, now you see where I am coming from. ATI uses an FMU.
I was considering switching the ECM to the same as the GN and TTA, but was too far into the mods. So yes I have the ATI FMU.
This is what gives such great fuel pressure that is blowing the ADFP during boost. It is a progressive thing. You will notice the FP changing over time as the diaphram fails.
I have a stock TTA with 13,800 miles. I am a member of a news group for about 2 years. I always have the itch to modify the car, but want to preserve the originality.
Am currently considering high output fuel pump with hot wire kit, AFPR, and adjustible waste gate as a first mod.
If you do decide to modify your turbo car (I wouldn't) look into the MAF translator and ls1 style MAF instead of using the AFPR. The translator allows you to tune the car without touching fuel pressure at idle and WOT. Their are chips like the bob bailey style that allow you tunability that you wouldn't believe.
Your combo sounds stout, it seems to me that you are using the alky to control knock but I believe that you lack fuel on the top end and have too much on the bottom end or at idle. If this is the case I really don't know if adjusting your fp is the only answer.
I used Data Master software to collect data to get the chip programmed.
I think I am ok with my current set up. Please note that I was only haveing problems with trying to use a smaller pulley which would throw off the air fuel ratio that the chip was programmed for.
I have a "REAL" A/F ratio gauge that I monitor my fuel ratio. Everything is as it should be. The fuel ratio was modified as needed during the programming of the chip.
I added the alky set up with the expectation that I would be changing to the higher boost pulley. I wanted the added insuranceto help prevent any predetonation running "on the edge". I do not have any knock issues with my current set up.
Sorry for any confusion. My current set up is great. It appears that I will need to make modifications to the fuel set up if I want to add the smaller pulley, due to the added air intake.
After talking to several friends, I will probably keep the turbo car stock. Don't need added work!
I forget the cost of the chip (About 2 years now), but it was very reasonable. Contact list member Rooster433 at Rooster433@aol.com. He programmed my chip.
Ok at this link some people are questioning the original setup of willie. they seem to think that running the system in parallel would be better than the way it is. please post replies for all to see on either board.
Originally posted by aaron7 Strange, those IC's look like the stock MX6/Probe ones! I only know that because I had one on my turbocharged Caravan
Now , you got me real curious You are talking like that older probes ...not the last ones they made right ?
__________________ PROJECT UGLY DUCKLING
1989 10:1 353 L98Edlebrock base and runners ( really ported)ZZ4cam ,1 3/4 SLP shorties 083 heads ...cleaned up andstuded w/1.52 rr , LT4 valve springs and retainers and a 3 angle valve job
suspension mods (Hotchkis LCA's PH bar, KYB shocks and struts)
T-5 3.73
T-62 turbo to be installed next ...Exhaust clip ...gota let it load.... http://media.putfile.com/My-exhaust-clip
(QTY)
1 AIGJ1A-1 (LS1 F-body I/C (right side)
1 AIGJ1A-2 (LS1 F-body I/C (left side) - these will need to be modified by you
for a scoop, see Willie's pictures.
1 AIGC2I-1 LT1 intake tube Polished or Satin - you will need to modify, see
Willie's pictures.
1 AIGC2I-2 Extended offset tube (MAF)
1 AIGC2I-21 Extended offset tube (speed density)
1 AIGI3I-2 Tube with surge valve bung
1 AIFC2I-4 Tube
3 AIGJ1I-6 Tube
2 AIGB2I-8 Tube
2 AIGA3I-1 Y-Tube (you will need to modify, see Willie's pictures)
1 RSST.065B-2.50 Raw tube 2.5" x 12" long section
2 ATR40I-90-1 2.5" 90 degree rubber elbow
1 ATR40I-45 2.5" 45 degree rubber elbow
2 ATR48I-090 3" 90 degree rubber elbow
2 AHR40B-000 2.5" X 4" long hose section
1 AHR40B-000 2.5" X 8" long hose section
2 AHR48B-000 3" X 6" long hose section
1 AHR64B-000 4" X 6" long hose section
1 AHR40B-000 2.5" X36" long hose section
1 AHF24B 3 ft long surge hose section
22 CL040I-1SS #40 hose clamps
8 CL040I-1SS #52 hose clamps
2 CL040I-1SS #64 hose clamps
1 RSAS.187B-1 3 ft of aluminum strap
If you want to order this stuff from ATI, don't sit there and try to list all this stuff off to the poor guy on the other end of the phone. Just send this to them in an e-mail or print it off and fax it to them. Also, don't try to get an ATI tech to help you figure this out. The techs that were around when this was developed are no longer there. (Believe me, I've tried.) Just check out the pics and stuff in Willie's sticky at the top of the page.
__________________ Josh
89 Formula 350
alum. headed 355,
6-speed, lots more. SOLD
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