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07-17-2003, 04:06 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by kidrcth maybe you should also get some 18in wheels on it with a 9 or 10 inch width, like porshe wheels. that might improve your times a lot. |
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07-17-2003, 04:29 PM
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Car: 1986 Trans Am Engine: 305 LB9 TPI Transmission: 700-R4 | hey dont make fun of me, those times are really pitiful for that amount of obvious power. you should be getting a lot better. Maybe traction would help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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07-17-2003, 04:43 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by kidrcth Maybe traction would help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Yes it would, but 18" rims arent the solution to that, that's all  |
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07-17-2003, 05:37 PM
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Car: 84 SVO Engine: Volvo headed 2.3T Transmission: WCT5 Axle/Gears: 8.8" 3.73 | Quote: Originally posted by kidrcth hey dont make fun of me, those times are really pitiful for that amount of obvious power. you should be getting a lot better. Maybe traction would help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Thank you Capt'n Obvious. Times were run with street tires and a broken posi.. Posi is now fixed, and I'm looking into 325/50/15's Drag Radials on 10 inch draglites.. BW |
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07-17-2003, 08:31 PM
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Car: 1986 Trans Am Engine: 305 LB9 TPI Transmission: 700-R4 | Quote: Originally posted by True Power Yes it would, but 18" rims arent the solution to that, that's all | wth, you obviously go by the book. Check your physics. An 18 inch rim would spread the tork to a much larger area, making it get the f*cking traction needed to get better times. Just like if he had 14in rims he'd spin for the first 10sec. But a 18in rim would spin for a lot less time and go. It would also make it go faster but i'm talking 1/4mile.
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07-17-2003, 09:00 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by kidrcth wth, you obviously go by the book. Check your physics. An 18 inch rim would spread the tork to a much larger area, making it get the f*cking traction needed to get better times. Just like if he had 14in rims he'd spin for the first 10sec. But a 18in rim would spin for a lot less time and go. It would also make it go faster but i'm talking 1/4mile. | And why dont you get a ****ing grip on reality. A smaller rim means bigger sidewall can be used. Now, for those of us who know what the hell that means, that means a bigger footprint, which means more surface area, which means more friction, which means more traction.
Why dont you go out to the racetrack and tell me how many 11 and 10sec cars are running on 18" rims?
edit - this doesnt even cover the difference in weight of small vs large rims |
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07-17-2003, 09:03 PM
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Car: 1986 Trans Am Engine: 305 LB9 TPI Transmission: 700-R4 | Quote: Originally posted by True Power And why dont you get a ****ing grip on reality. A smaller rim means bigger sidewall can be used. Now, for those of us who know what the hell that means, that means a bigger footprint, which means more surface area, which means more friction, which means more traction.
Why dont you go out to the racetrack and tell me how many 11 and 10sec cars are running on 18" rims?
edit - this doesnt even cover the difference in weight of small vs large rims |
ok you obviously dont get the reality of a 10 second car, most of them are not f*cking street pheasible, and they certainly arn't daily drivers, if you wanna have a street drivable car with good looks theirs nothing wrong with a rim 18 x 9 or 10. not a thing. f*ck you if you think there is. the sidewall just mean you can have a 3 inch wide rim with a 9 inch wide tire. you can have wide rims with wide tires too. |
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07-17-2003, 09:07 PM
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| Now you're switching topics. I do believe we were comparing 1/4mile results as they relate to rim size, nothing more. I'm simply saying you will NOT find people going to a 18" rim for better drag results. Since when did looks and streetability come into the discussion? |
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07-17-2003, 09:09 PM
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Car: 1986 Trans Am Engine: 305 LB9 TPI Transmission: 700-R4 | haha thats a sorry loosers excuse for saying he got beat |
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07-17-2003, 09:11 PM
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| Sure buddy. Sure.
For the sake of freeing up this thread, feel free to PM me with any other stupid ****ing points you are trying to make. |
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07-17-2003, 09:14 PM
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Car: 85 Monte Carlo SS... Engine: T.P.I L98. Soon to be 406 LT1 powered Transmission: TH350 | Quote: Originally posted by kidrcth ok you obviously dont get the reality of a 10 second car, most of them are not f*cking street pheasible, and they certainly arn't daily drivers, if you wanna have a street drivable car with good looks theirs nothing wrong with a rim 18 x 9 or 10. not a thing. f*ck you if you think there is. the sidewall just mean you can have a 3 inch wide rim with a 9 inch wide tire. you can have wide rims with wide tires too. | Dude with your attitude your not going to last here very long! Calm down and keep the proverbiall BS words to yourself.
I take it you have not read all there is to read about Saturns car... It isn't a street car for one, # 2...18" wheels would only allow you minimal sidewall height which does not help for traction at all. It is very obvious you haven't been around the racing world for very long. So... I suggest unless you are going to debate with people here with a bit of respect for yourself and others, your better off keeping your foot in your mouth, instead of taking it out every once and awhile to spit out some rubbish. Please jsut calm down, and treat people with a bit of respect. You've only been here for a month, and your making a very bad start of it. |
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07-17-2003, 09:23 PM
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Car: 1986 Trans Am Engine: 305 LB9 TPI Transmission: 700-R4 | ok don't challenge my inteligence(i take offence to that alot), i am 16 and i have a 158 IQ. i probrably know more about the science of racing then you ever will. But i said probrably. |
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07-17-2003, 09:31 PM
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Car: 85 Monte Carlo SS... Engine: T.P.I L98. Soon to be 406 LT1 powered Transmission: TH350 | Quote: Originally posted by kidrcth ok don't challenge my inteligence(i take offence to that alot), i am 16 and i have a 158 IQ. i probrably know more about the science of racing then you ever will. But i said probrably. |
Please lets not turn this into a flame war! I am not questioning your intelligence here. And not spelling that right doesn't help you either. IQ has nothing to do with drag racing my 16 year old friend. I have built a few 10 sec. drag cars in my day, and I'll tell you this.... None of them had close to 18" rims! Most are 15" and the odd super car use 16". And that probably word is right. Differecne hear is I treat people with respect, and not a bunch of over used words that don't make you look big and strong, but young and foolish! So again please just calm down and speak with respectfull words, instead of what you've shown people here in this thread so far.
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07-17-2003, 09:33 PM
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Car: 1986 Trans Am Engine: 305 LB9 TPI Transmission: 700-R4 | well ok, speaking as a kid from the mid 80's, i'll probrably be the first dragger that doesn't use old school techniques. just wait, you'll hear about me |
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07-17-2003, 09:38 PM
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Car: 85 Monte Carlo SS... Engine: T.P.I L98. Soon to be 406 LT1 powered Transmission: TH350 | Here is a little taste of one of the machines I built. 10.30's at 130mph. All out of a power glide.  With a 4000 stall, now it bears a 5500 aluminum 2 piece stall, haven't had her out yet to see the results as it is being painted Black. http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/atta...&postid=881628
Here is a shot with the rims and tires. All 15' http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/atta...&postid=881630
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07-17-2003, 09:57 PM
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Car: 1986 Trans Am Engine: 305 LB9 TPI Transmission: 700-R4 | ok got nothing to complain about it at all. great looking car. it appears that you have a little time and money on your hands. Why don't ya try non-oldschool techniques? i mean maybe try out my idea. if it don't work sell them to some stupid d00d with a suburban. all i'm saying is try it. a large rim, with a tire for traction. |
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07-17-2003, 10:11 PM
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Car: 84 SVO Engine: Volvo headed 2.3T Transmission: WCT5 Axle/Gears: 8.8" 3.73 | Quote: Originally posted by kidrcth ok got nothing to complain about it at all. great looking car. it appears that you have a little time and money on your hands. Why don't ya try non-oldschool techniques? i mean maybe try out my idea. if it don't work sell them to some stupid d00d with a suburban. all i'm saying is try it. a large rim, with a tire for traction. | 18's.. will not work for drag use.
Simply for the lack of sidewall as mentioned before.
Look into what 95% drag racers have out back should be explaination enough.
Increasing diameter of a rim will not help traction, now adding width and matching tires will.
I suggest you learn your drag science from something other than usually wrong magazines and spend some time track side and in the pits.
I know my Malibu runs faster than what I have posted, but I really don't care for the I'm faster than you arguements, BTDT not wasting any more time with that.
Anything more than 2/3's throttle = wheelspin in all gears.
Stage 2 is going to be even more... should be good to low 11's, possibly a high ten with slicks/dragdot's. But thats next year...  |
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07-17-2003, 10:13 PM
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Car: 85 Monte Carlo SS... Engine: T.P.I L98. Soon to be 406 LT1 powered Transmission: TH350 | If I had room to fit 18" rims with a 15 sidewall under a cars wheel well, then I would try it, but... since not many cars will accept that size tire, I will stick to what works. Nothing old school about those rims and tires, infact they are both made in 2001, the rims and the tires. So it is quite new stuff.  |
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07-17-2003, 10:19 PM
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Car: 1986 Trans Am Engine: 305 LB9 TPI Transmission: 700-R4 | d00d you miss understood me, i said old school techniques. I didn't say old school equipment. alright then d00ds the first time i get a drag together i'll show you that diameter and width will play a good factor in my speed. i'll post about it. |
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07-17-2003, 10:22 PM
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Car: 1986 Trans Am Engine: 305 LB9 TPI Transmission: 700-R4 | i'm sure a tire manufacturer will atleast custom make some 18in rim slicks. its not that hard really. |
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07-17-2003, 10:23 PM
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Car: 85 Monte Carlo SS... Engine: T.P.I L98. Soon to be 406 LT1 powered Transmission: TH350 | Well good luck to you, cause a 18" tire that is going to help with traction, better be really soft compound, or it will spin worse tehn your average 15"/16" tire, adn I hope you have a healthy wallet too, cause a super soft compound 18' tire is going to be really costly!:lala: |
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07-17-2003, 10:24 PM
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Car: 85 Monte Carlo SS... Engine: T.P.I L98. Soon to be 406 LT1 powered Transmission: TH350 | Quote: Originally posted by kidrcth i'm sure a tire manufacturer will atleast custom make some 18in rim slicks. its not that hard really. | See now your questioning yourself. It is hard to come by 16" Slicks for most cars now days, never mind a 18" slick. most 16" Slicks are like 33" tall, and only for serious drag cars. |
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07-17-2003, 10:28 PM
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Car: 1986 Trans Am Engine: 305 LB9 TPI Transmission: 700-R4 | nah d00d i didn't say them really thick ones i meant regular tires that are slicks, not any larger. |
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07-17-2003, 10:31 PM
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Car: 85 Monte Carlo SS... Engine: T.P.I L98. Soon to be 406 LT1 powered Transmission: TH350 | Here is a link for you, as you can see. There are very minimal tires here for 16" and they are huge, there arent' even any 17" never mind 18's. http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/strip.html |
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Car: 1986 Trans Am Engine: 305 LB9 TPI Transmission: 700-R4 | Quote: Originally posted by Cruzin Kaz Well good luck to you, cause a 18" tire that is going to help with traction, better be really soft compound, or it will spin worse tehn your average 15"/16" tire, adn I hope you have a healthy wallet too, cause a super soft compound 18' tire is going to be really costly!:lala: | d00d i ask my grand pa for anything and he'll get it for me.... he's filthy rich. he's got a rusted down 1964 1/2 mustang in his yard and he says if i can ever get it its mine to do what ever. He's also got some old rusted corvettes too but one has the side frame bent a bit. its correctible though. he said if i want one of them id have to be the one with the frame not bent cause the other has a decent condition engine(meaning its a little easier to bring backto life). he wants to bring it back now that he's retired. he may live in hill billy town and in west virginia but he's got money from being a coal minor all his life. i ask for somethigns he'll get them.
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Car: 86' Z28 Engine: 355 Transmission: T-56 | Quote: Originally posted by kidrcth d00d i ask my grand pa for anything and he'll get it for me.... he's filthy rich. he's got a rusted down 1964 1/2 mustang in his yard and he says if i can ever get it its mine to do what ever. He's also got some old rusted corvettes too but one has the side frame bent a bit. its correctible though. he said if i want one of them id have to be the one with the frame not bent cause the other has a decent condition engine(meaning its a little easier to bring backto life). he wants to bring it back now that he's retired. he may live in hill billy town and in west virginia but he's got money from being a coal minor all his life. i ask for somethigns he'll get them. |
Oman...theres way too many things wrong with that entire post to even bother. Just give up man.
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07-18-2003, 12:14 AM
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Car: 91 Camaro RS Engine: 5.0L TBI (ebl inside) Transmission: T-5 Axle/Gears: 3.42 lsd 10 bolt | Either people from West Virginia are respectable or you need some manners. I am 16 and have a pretty high IQ, but I still know when to respect people. Being rich doesn't mean you can make a 10 or even 13 second car, but being wise and choosing the right parts can. I hope you can change the drag racing world someday, it would be a great accomplishment, but until your the big "dOOd", use some manners. Though the coolest rapper might have 18" rims on his tight ride, how much work did he put in his car and what does he run in the quarter? |
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Car: 97 trans am | when i first started reading this post i was droolin over saturn5s cars........great job man!
but now im gettin discouraged. you guys need to chill out. im 18 and i know im still learning stuff everday.....if you think someone is wrong then do it yourself or ask around....dont just assume youre right. i dont care what your IQ is.
kidrcth........you should just apoligize for being rude and let it go. the majority of the guys on here are very wise and have been doing this stuff for years.
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