Go Back   Third Generation F-Body Message Boards > Tech Boards > Power Adder

Power Adder Getting a Supercharger or Turbocharger? Thinking about using Nitrous? All forced induction and N2O topics discussed here.

Welcome to ThirdGen.org!
Welcome to ThirdGen.org.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, at no cost, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, join the ThirdGen.org community today!


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 08-07-2004, 04:41 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Saskatchewan
Posts: 622
Car: 1992 GTA
Engine: LS1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 4.10

Classifieds Rating: (0)
shelf life of toluene?????

Does anybody know how long toluene can sit before its no good??? I have 5 gallons from last spring that I never used and was wondering if it was still okay???
This ad is not displayed to registered members.
Register your free account today and become a member on ThirdGen!

Last edited by razor; 08-07-2004 at 08:33 PM.
razor is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Registered users do not see this ad.
Click here to register for free!
Old 08-07-2004, 10:42 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
xpndbl3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Orland Park, IL
Posts: 11,048
Car: 1984 Z28
Engine: 346
Transmission: TH350
Axle/Gears: moser 9" 4.11

Classifieds Rating: (2)
Send a message via AIM to xpndbl3
toluene as in paint thinner or as in ....?

if the bottle was opened then shelf life in a lab setting(temp and humidity controlled) would be 3-6 months max in temp controlled room. Our toluene in lab containers are labeled for one year unopened expiration time, although for their higher octane rating i'm not sure what the shelf life in a combustible engine would be. IIRC toluene is 116 octane, and don't forget that once it's opened it will start to collect moisure as well.
__________________
my car thats never done
"I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6"
First Place Camaro Modified Thirdgenfest '05, Second Place Camaro Modified Thirdgenfest '06, Best Modified Camaro Thirdgenfest '07 , Second Place Camaro Modified Thirdgenfest '08
MFBA March 2008 Featured Calendar Vehicle
xpndbl3 is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2004, 11:10 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Saskatchewan
Posts: 622
Car: 1992 GTA
Engine: LS1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 4.10

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Quote:
Originally posted by xpndbl3
toluene as in paint thinner or as in ....?

if the bottle was opened then shelf life in a lab setting(temp and humidity controlled) would be 3-6 months max in temp controlled room. Our toluene in lab containers are labeled for one year unopened expiration time, although for their higher octane rating i'm not sure what the shelf life in a combustible engine would be. IIRC toluene is 116 octane, and don't forget that once it's opened it will start to collect moisure as well.
Yes I mean toluene as in paint thinner or ingredient in meth The pail is sealed and has never been opened. But I guess I had better use it up sooner than later once it is open. I was just trying for a little insurance before I took the car out to the track tomorrow. If I would have been more prepared I would have just picked up some race gas. I think toluene is around 114 octane. If I mix 1 gallon of toluene with 5 gallons of gas that should give me an octane of 94.83 or just about 95.

((5gallons x 91) + (1gallon x 114))/6 = new octane

Does that look correct?????? And thanks for the tip on the moisture
razor is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2004, 01:06 AM   #4
Senior Member
 
TexasLT1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Angleton, TX
Posts: 3,727
Car: '92 RS
Engine: LT1/4
Transmission: T-56
Axle/Gears: 3.70BW

Classifieds Rating: (0)
looks about right. I'll talk to my brother and find out where we got our recipe that we used to make 98 octane with some toluene.
__________________
The Not-So Definitive LT1 Swap Guide

New LT1 being built presently.
TexasLT1 is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2004, 08:08 AM   #5
Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: North Texas
Posts: 236
Engine: sbc 350

Classifieds Rating: (0)
The only possible problem with a 'opened from time to time'
contaner would be, humidity from the air, but, even then,
I don't think it does that. Its a hydrocarbon, not alcohol.
.....
recipe for 98 octane, 30percent tolulene 70percent pump 93.
(by volume)
Start with lower amounts of tolulene.
Be sure to have a strong ignition.
contactpatch is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2004, 01:43 AM   #6
Senior Member
 
83 Crossfire TA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: DC Metro Area
Posts: 5,615
Car: 87TA 87Formula 97TA 04CumminsRam

Classifieds Rating: (1)
Toluline is roughly 117octane. It should be fine stored (assuming you don’t really need laboratory purity), as long as it’s in a sealed container. OTOH, once it’s mixed with gasoline you need to use it fairly quickly.

To calculate a rough approximation of your octane after mixing, you just multiply the percentage of the fuel * it’s octane, for example 10% toluline + 90% 93 octane:
117*.10 + 93*.90 = 95.4
83 Crossfire TA is online now vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2004, 06:22 AM   #7
Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: North Texas
Posts: 236
Engine: sbc 350

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Does tol. attract water from the air?
Is tol. 'polar'.
Does it change a dielectric constant reading?
contactpatch is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote


Reply

Go Back   Third Generation F-Body Message Boards > Tech Boards > Power Adder

Tags
adder, bodies, cost, date, expiration, good, life, paint, power, r2k1, shelf, shelflife, thinner, toluene, tolueneshelf, tolulene
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 






1982 Camaro '82 || 1983 Camaro '83 || 1984 Camaro '84 || 1985 Camaro '85 || 1986 Camaro '86 || 1987 Camaro '87 || 1988 Camaro '88 || 1989 Camaro '89 || 1990 Camaro '90 || 1991 Camaro '91 || 1992 Camaro '92


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:39 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0
All content copyright © 1997 - 2009 ThirdGen.org. All rights reserved. No part of this website may be reproduced without the expressed, documented, and written consent of ThirdGen.org's Administrators.