B4Ctom1

I overcame the wall thing for the most part by doing a 1/4 block fill so I can still drive it

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junkcltr

What did you use for pistons? The other problem I was seeing with going the GM 400ci SBC route was finding a big enough dish piston using 5.7" or 6.0" rods and 64CC heads. I wanted to go with around 9.0:1 CR, but it I couldn't even get that with the 5.7" rods and 64CC chambers. I will probably end up with 9.5:1 or slightly higher.

I already have the heads so I want to work around them. Not the best route to use, but I really don't want to buy other heads.

B4Ctom1

LW2606F is what I used for my 412 (not the engine I spoke of earlier) they are 9.78:1 with 64cc

My 1/4 filled 400 block uses a set of 415 pistons, but the engine is built like a 377 only with a 327 large journal crank making it 352 cid. The rods are 6" and the pistons are JE dished. Compression will be in the 8.6:1 range with the 68cc AFR's

B4Ctom1

These turbos are like bad pennys, they just keep turning up, someone is trying to sell one in the classifieds here:

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/en...super-t70.html (BRAND NEW Super T70 turbo for sale w/ clamp)

BDR

btw, I'm running J.E. turbo pistons w/ a 6" rod on my 406. My head cc is 72 though... I dont have the part # off the top of my head but if you really need it I can find it.

1991CamaroRslow

Yesterday you post "someone is trying to sell one in the classifieds here" as if I just listed it when I posted it on 6/10/06. I've spent the last few days researching these turbo's and it will NOT be sold under my name, no way no how; even if it is a good turbo which it seems there's about a 99.9% chance it's not. The turbo's still for sale by the owner now Ttop87Stang, and I am willing to take it apart and send pics if anyone would like to see the internals of it. Sorry for jumping on your post like this but it makes me look like I was trying to scam people and that's simply not the case. I'm glad it didn't sell under my name and end up scrapping someone's engine. I've searched these posts and several Nissan and Honda forums and the concensus is the same, these things are scrap.

B4Ctom1

I wasn't trying to flame tyou or make it look like you were trying to rip anyone. I just want these damn things to go away. They are a plague, two things happen when they are sold. A person spends some of the money they could have used to buy a real turbo on something which is not, and then it blows up into their intercooler or motor and ruins their whole project.

I feel the same way about this that I would if I saw someone about to get hurt, I couldn't "not" speak up and warn them.

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B4Ctom1

Yay, we have a new name for this company to add to the long list of names they have created to sidestep the identification of their guilt.

Auto Power Enterprise



http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQs...owerenterprise

http://myworld.ebay.com/ebaymotors/autopowerenterprise/

IROC-You

hrm, dunno about the turbos, but that intercooler in the chevy kit actually looks pretty good. So does the Air-Water-Intercooler they have listed.

1991CamaroRslow

Keep in mind these are the same guys who sell stainless headers that have mild steel flanges. As you can guess they crack after a few heat up and cool downs. I doubt anything they sell is worth owning simply because they don't care about your vehicle or there product, they're just here to get your cash. I'de love to say that something they make is good but honestly if they make 1 good item that people buy they're still supporting the 100s of bad items they sell to unwary customers every day. As a note we STILL have that turbo sitting collecting dust and we haven't really formulated what to do with it..... maybe I should strap it onto a lawnmower, or buy a junk car and weld the flange onto the exhaust pipe, my luck I'll end up with 1 of the few good ones and it won't blow out.

B4Ctom1

heck yeah it must be bad ***, it says it supports 1200 hp. Im sure its true, because they say so, and a liquid 2 air that small is real efficient.

I will admit the 2 into 1 air to air looks at the very least "interesting". And bar and plate intercoolers (other than having loose parts inside that can get into your motor and tanks that burst at the welds) are probably fairly safe to buy.

83 Crossfire TA

If done correctly that is the proper way to do it, since the mild steel flange will expand at about ½ the rate that a stainless one would and the tubes will do their own thing. Assuming they’re welded correctly that type of deal will seal and last longer.

B4Ctom1

The pictures in this thread show the collectors falling apart, right near the turbo flange, from the thin metal, fatigue from the weight of the turbo and the heat.

sLoW'n'StEaDy

i tried to explain the SSAC **** on here... didnt really work out, i just pissed of a few people...

1991CamaroRslow

"Assuming they’re welded correctly" this they are not, they have a bad tendancy to crack at the welds or up the primary pipes. There's been a few cases of this on my Altima forum and I found a few on the Honda forum when I was researching these guys.

83 Crossfire TA

Hey, I never said that those were done correctly, AAMOF, they seem to be just the opposite.

I just said that using a mild steel flange with stainless tube is the proper way to do it and why in response to that being given as a reason that the SSAC stuff is “bad”

1991CamaroRslow

fair enough That turbo's still laying here btw, it's starting to piss me off.

firstfirebird

The scrap yard will give you a few dollars for the aluminum, lol.

B4Ctom1

http://search.reviews.ebay.com/SSAutochrome

http://search.reviews.ebay.com/XSPower

google of "SSautocrap"

google of "do not buy ssautochrome"

google of "ssautochrome xspower"

xlwhellraiser

From what I am reading, if properly braced, their headers should work fine.

I would seriously like some comments from people that bought them. Not the people that look at them and call them whatever they feel.

Even on the sites that were mentioned before there were people that said that most of that stuff was good, and/or worked.

This thing can go either way, some people could be pissed that their header design is a rip-off of BBSdesigns.
Or they are pissed that they spent so much money that anything remotely cheap is JUNK.

I have no exprience with these headers, all I know is by reading these threads where people go back and forth.

So, if someone has done it, please post pics.


If I were to purchase something like this, I would go with their headers, make proper bracing, and get a proven turbo. I think that would be a good compromise for the price.

B4Ctom1

http://search.reviews.ebay.com/SSAutochrome



http://search.reviews.ebay.com/XSPower

TPl383

For you guys bashing the SS Auto chrome and all the other knock off china stuff.

I was in the same boat on WTF it cant be that good. Buz I can't even buy the SS material to make the same setup for what they charge.

Well I can fab stuff just find. Ive done a few turbo setups and decides WTF and bought some of the china headers to see the quality 1st hand and myself etc..

Well they just got here today and the WELDS look good. They have pleanty of penitration. They ahre nice heavy duty flanges. They are nice bends,etc..

for the price You can't go wrong. As with ANY TURBO HEADERS. I dont care if they are USA made China made or made by GOD himself. anything will need soe support for the turbos unless they are log style and the turbos are poped right on top like the banks manifolds.

As for fitment. Pic's have been posted of a few thrdgens running them. Im gonna fit em up in the next couple weeks on a junk motor in my chassis and picture it all etc....

Do I plan to use these..?? prob. not. because i already made a nice custom setup for myself. I just wanted to buy these and see the quality for myself and others who ask.

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305q_ta86

On my 240 I have an ebay manifold, turbo outlet and downpipe. And you know what. it's all exactly the same stuff as what they sell locally for 3x the price. I seriously think they make it in the same factory as all the brand name stuff, and they just don't stick the nameplate on it and that's it. I even got my hands on a brand name downpipe and put the two side by side and couldn't tell the difference.

Now I'm no expert when it comes to telling a good weld from a bad one, so I took it to the boys at work (metal fabrication shop) and they were all amazed. They said the welds could stand to be a bit bigger (as in more rod) but aside from that, spectacular.

TPl383

Ya they use a thin rod but you deff. have good penetration on these few sets I got.

Whats going on is some company here in the US buys something they like. Ship it to china and have it reproduced cheaper. Material and labor is way cheaper over seas. Why do you think more then 50% of major cops here more to over seas or Mexico.

I bought these straight from the manufacture over in china so If they were junk I still got em cheaper then the people selling em on ebay.

B4Ctom1

I'm only bashing one unscrupulous company that is so crappy, they have to go by more than one name. I don't have problems with Proform or Professional Products. With them at least you get what you pay for.

TPl383

Im talking the China built Turbo headers. Theres more then 1 company over there who make em. And there are TONS of people on ebay selling them.

I got (4) complete sets direct from one of the manufactures overe there. And At this point with out disecting a set yet. They are Good Quality pieces. They are heavy duty and not some think sheetmetal feeling headers. That would fall apart.

As for ProForm theres No diff then what SSAC did to BBSD that ProForm did with MSD stuff.

Ya its good stuff also. I know a guy who sells a ton of it and I get that at the same cost as if I was to buy it direct from china too.

So Im just sayin unless You have had some of these china headers in your hands to inspect why bash em. Ya a few handfulls of people have had problems but how many good sets are running around out there.

Same as MSD how many 6al/7al boxes take a ****. You dont see people bashing them like SSAC now do you?

B4Ctom1

Yes you have a few in your hand? I figured that you had some vested interest in the headers the way you were defending them so valiantly.

As to how many cars out there running the SBC headers I would say zero. I have seen some projects start with them, but after much money and sad times the owners had to go with something else. Some would refute or claim the turbos or headers were not SSAC. Then close to when the project is almost finished they would drop off the grid, after that much arguing I will give you a guess as to why. If you have some defensible header which is not the SSAutochrome type then feel free to share it here. Otherwise your opinion is nothing but SSAC loving rhetoric.

As to the point at hand I am making, I am specifically referencing SSAutochrome and its other names it goes by, not some unnamed Chinese factory. If you think this is specifically about China you are "wong". Additionally, the turbos pictured in this thread which are the SSAutochrome turbo facsimiles (not really turbos but metal models) can't be denied either.

No amount of disinformation by you or any other person supporting a scam outfit like SSAutochrome can make up for the reams and pile of dissatisfied customers, negative feed backs, or even the websites built specifically for bringing to the attention of possible buyers that they should stay away from this company or it's other disguised names.

I am basically doing the same here, because every person who has ever run a search engine looking for a twin turbo setup for a SBC has run across this scam. To those people I say not here, not on my watch, not if I can help it.

These are the headers I am talking about:
http://www.outlawperformance.com/uploads/SBC3.jpg

I talked to Eduardo (BBDS) a while back and never saw the system they stole from him but there they are on ebay if you type in "turbo sbc single" they didnt even bother trying to make the flanges different or anything. I also see that SSAC has a new block hugger/street rod type header. I wonder how many poor souls will be duped out of hard earned cash for these new baits...

TPl383

Im no SSAC lover or defending them. It just so happens they have sold the most china headers.

And yes I have the same ones pictured you just posted.. material and quality is just fine on the HEADERS.. tNo clue on the turbos I just wanted headers to check out...

the Original BBDS headers are nice . I have tracked down the same company in china who reproduce them also. If they are built anything like the ones I have from this company you cant go wrong for the ebay price. ya it sucks someone here in the USA bought one of his setups. Shipped it to china and had it prepoduced for a fraction of the cost. but hey like you said yourself you like PROFORM and thats a china knock off of MSD. (and proform has been sued or is being sued by MSD over it.)

So I don't know where you get off on sayin im spreading DISINFROMATION.

I bought some headers to check the quality out 1st hand. instead of the hearsay of people lik eyou who have not looked at em 1st hand.

Now if I do use em and they turn to junk I'll be the 1st to admit it. But beaing Ive made a few sets and have checked these over I dont see a problem wiht them unless your hanging a 60lb turbo off the front with no support. If you do that then its your own fault anyways.

firstfirebird

Eh, I made 7psi on a SSAC turbo with no problems (unless you count tuning/detonation as a problem, lol). The turbos are copys of Garretts (I know because I have had them apart and the bearings/seals etc interchange). The main concern I had was the ads showed I was getting a 57 trim, and recieved a 46 trim comp wheel. What does that mean? Nothing to me, as many of people have complained about buying a new Tial WG and recieving the wrong spring in them (as much as 1/2 bar off).


All in the end, you buy cheap, take the risk. You buy expensive, you take the risk. I have had no better luck with name brand parts than I have had with knock-offs.

B4Ctom1

As anyone who saw the actual pictures posted in the first page of this thread, your observation about the bearings is partially incorrect.

junkcltr

TPI383,
Quit holding out on us....where can we order parts direct that have the quality and price you talk about? One mild steel header costs me $125 to build without labor. So the ones you mentioned are worth a look for me and I love to experiment. I am not a business, but build them for my own junks and friends.

firstfirebird,
For the most part all I have heard about the off-shore turbos are mis-representation in terms of wheel specs. The oil channel for the bearings look OK? I hear you about taking risks. All of the expensive "good" aftermarket parts I have bought never seem worth it and let me down. I have been running stock parts off this and that and have had good results.

I am not pro SSAC or against them, but this thead has some real info that an end user can use to make decisions. Thank you to all that have been posting to it.

firstfirebird

Hey, junk, long time no chat ... New Motor

Several people I talked to recently have had problems with TIAL. They are taking apart the housings to make sure of the color-coded springs.

Yes, but that was several years ago. You don't think the CB turbos would have caught on to the design advances since then? Only then to copy the advances to make their product perform more like the origional they are trying to copy? Overseas pattens don't always exradite

The turbo I had on my car is a fully cast comp. housing made of one piece of aluminum. The oil passages in the bearing were no champhered as stated by 89jyturbo, but true Garrett bearings could take their place.

TPl383

I had to buy a minimum order so i don't know how good it would be for someone looking for a set at a time. or if they would even do it. I'll find out and let you know if your still interested.