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06-17-2008, 06:03 PM
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| Supercharger help I just fully installed my paxton sn89 supercharger today. I went to test drive it and I didn't feel that much of a difference. What RPM does the supercharger kick in? Do I have to have the alcohol injection installed (tested without it)? |
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06-17-2008, 09:25 PM
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Car: 89 GTA Engine: 5.7L Supercharged Transmission: T-56 Axle/Gears: Moser 9" 3.70 | Re: Supercharger help How much boost is it making? Probably wont feel much tell past 4000rpm.
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06-17-2008, 09:52 PM
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| Re: Supercharger help Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony89GTA How much boost is it making? Probably wont feel much tell past 4000rpm. | It should make 5-6 psi. That 4000 rpm makes sense, when I was revving the motor the silicon piece holding the tube to the throttle body popped off when I hit 4000. I have to put on a tighter clamp tomorrow and test it again. |
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06-17-2008, 10:07 PM
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Car: 89 GTA Engine: 5.7L Supercharged Transmission: T-56 Axle/Gears: Moser 9" 3.70 | Re: Supercharger help Get a t-bolt clamp for that if you can. |
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06-17-2008, 11:03 PM
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Car: GTA Engine: L98 LS7 comming soon Transmission: bowtie stage 2 700r4 Axle/Gears: 3.27 9 bolt | Re: Supercharger help Is this a basically stock 89 350? reason im asking is,Im thinking of buying a supercharger,and If you didnt feel a major diference I might just save the money. |
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06-18-2008, 09:38 AM
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| Re: Supercharger help Quote:
Originally Posted by XxCoLTxX Is this a basically stock 89 350? reason im asking is,Im thinking of buying a supercharger,and If you didnt feel a major diference I might just save the money. | This is a almost stock 305. Th only mods before the supercharger were a 350 corvette chip is in the prom and I had a gutted out airbox. Since you have a 350 you will definitely feel a difference. MY little 305 noticeably pulls a little harder, but I think I had higher expectations. I need a chip tuned to the supercharger and an airfoil, then I should free up a lot more horsepower. Right now I am afraid to go above 5000 rpm because I don't have alcohol injection or my intercooler hooked up. |
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06-18-2008, 02:20 PM
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Car: 1987 Trans Am GTA Engine: 357ci Stealth Ram Transmission: Built 700r4/Pro Yank 3400 Extreme Axle/Gears: 9-Bolt 3.70 | Re: Supercharger help How is it adding more fuel? fmu? |
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06-18-2008, 08:00 PM
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| Re: Supercharger help Quote:
Originally Posted by mike1986fyrbird How is it adding more fuel? fmu? | This old paxton SN 89 kit didn't require a separate fmu unit. This kit was only meant for 5 psi. |
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06-19-2008, 02:37 PM
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| Re: Supercharger help Here is the verdict on that paxton sn89.it kicks in at 2000 rpm. The catch is that I only feel it pulling big when the supercharger is cool. When The engine temp goes up (supercharger is burning hot), it seems like the supercharger is weak. My solution is to hook up my intercooler ( I am waiting on 2 pieces of tubing to complete the conection). yea, I am running an intercooler with a sn paxton supercharger. It was either that or water/alcohol injection. |
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06-20-2008, 07:09 AM
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Car: '87 Corvette Engine: 350, .040 Over, supercharger Transmission: ZF6, 16lbs flywheel, DF Clutch Axle/Gears: Dana36 IRS, 3.54 gears | Re: Supercharger help Quote:
Originally Posted by XxCoLTxX Is this a basically stock 89 350? reason im asking is,Im thinking of buying a supercharger,and If you didnt feel a major diference I might just save the money. | paxton is poop. Buy a vortech or procharger and you'll feel it.
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06-20-2008, 02:03 PM
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Car: 91 Formula Engine: 305tpi-blown head gasket RIP Transmission: T-56 Axle/Gears: 10 Bold 3.23 | Re: Supercharger help Quote:
Originally Posted by anesthes paxton is poop. Buy a vortech or procharger and you'll feel it.
-- Joe | Dammit, the SN89 is poop, not paxton as a whole  I like my paxton thank you very much!
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06-20-2008, 03:04 PM
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| Re: Supercharger help paxtons do run really really hot i used to have one on my iroc 350 tpi years ago.try intercooling it that will really help,supercharger will still run hot but the boosted air will be alot cooler. all the nonintercooled centrifigul superchargers are poop today.35% increase is about all your gonna get on 5-6 psi with no cooler. when i had it i felt it was a big waste of time an money. |
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06-20-2008, 04:40 PM
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| Re: Supercharger help Quote:
Originally Posted by tpi user paxtons do run really really hot i used to have one on my iroc 350 tpi years ago.try intercooling it that will really help,supercharger will still run hot but the boosted air will be alot cooler. all the nonintercooled centrifigul superchargers are poop today.35% increase is about all your gonna get on 5-6 psi with no cooler. when i had it i felt it was a big waste of time an money. | Well, all together I paid around $1000 for the supercharger and intercooler kit. $150 for the cost of installing it. After I get all the vitals hooked up right, I will pay someone (professional) to burn me a chip. I had the car backfiring when I was revving it to 4000 last night, so I think the timing needs to be adjusted now. I still have not pushed the motor past 4500 rpm because I get chills from hearing other people's experiences with the sn series paxtons after 5000 rpm. I read from other people that the bearing failures happen after 4850rpm (max rpm for the supercharger). I want to get the 3.5 in pulley ( which increases the max supercharger rpm to reduce bearing failure) but I have the 3 rib v belt kit which makes that pulley impossible to find.
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06-20-2008, 04:51 PM
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| Re: Supercharger help Quote:
Originally Posted by anesthes paxton is poop. Buy a vortech or procharger and you'll feel it.
-- Joe | I would but the old paxtons are the best for us who are jobless  |
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06-20-2008, 05:24 PM
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| Re: Supercharger help its not that the paxtons are total junk, im not bashin any1 really. they do have some limitations more than others. but the main problem is heat they all run hot . vortech and the others are really no better if they are not intercooled either. hook that cooler up you will see a big difference. a stock chip will probably be ok since they keep timing in check. aftermarket chips like hypertech an jet are a no no as they advance the timing.you could get a custom one but may not even be needed at 5-7 psi. |
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06-20-2008, 05:36 PM
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| Re: Supercharger help plus you got a great deal. |
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06-20-2008, 05:38 PM
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Car: 89 GTA Engine: 5.7L Supercharged Transmission: T-56 Axle/Gears: Moser 9" 3.70 | Re: Supercharger help People have been running superchargers for years without a intercooler with good results, I don't see it doing much on a stock car at 6psi.
BTW you really should look into getting a FMU.
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06-20-2008, 05:48 PM
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| Re: Supercharger help Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony89GTA People have been running superchargers for years without a intercooler with good results, I don't see it doing much on a stock car at 6psi.
BTW you really should look into getting a FMU. | I am using the intercooler as an alternative to the water/alcohol injection found on most non intercooled superchargers that see good results. There are some tricks to making the intercooler a much better choice. I'll look into the FMU once I have the whole system working properly. |
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06-21-2008, 03:14 PM
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Car: 1988 camaro z28 Engine: 355 afr 195 heads,paxton sc Transmission: 700r-4 built in backyard redalto c Axle/Gears: 3.42 | Re: Supercharger help they make a fluid cooler for the paxton its like 350 dollars
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06-27-2008, 10:26 PM
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| Re: Supercharger help The POS SN 89 I bought just spun its bearings today. I've never went past 4500 rpm on it and it spun. I bought a refresh kit when I purchased the supercharger. I am going to "refresh" it then sell it for what I bought it for. I want more power (8-10 psi) so I am looking at a custom novi 2000 build. |
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06-27-2008, 10:45 PM
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Car: GTA Engine: L98 LS7 comming soon Transmission: bowtie stage 2 700r4 Axle/Gears: 3.27 9 bolt | Re: Supercharger help how much did you buy it for? |
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06-27-2008, 10:52 PM
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| Re: Supercharger help $800 with the bracket, pulleys, paxtrac fluid, spare belts. I had to buy all the bolts and spacers from the hardware store. |
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06-27-2008, 10:58 PM
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Car: GTA Engine: L98 LS7 comming soon Transmission: bowtie stage 2 700r4 Axle/Gears: 3.27 9 bolt | Re: Supercharger help how many mile did you put on this before it broke?,any knowledge of how many miles it hasdbefore you got it? |
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06-27-2008, 11:44 PM
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| Re: Supercharger help what the french toast what a gyp |
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06-29-2008, 11:52 PM
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Car: 91 rs Engine: Blow through 383 Transmission: th350 Axle/Gears: 3.50 9" | Re: Supercharger help Quote:
Originally Posted by 1989irocz1 I am using the intercooler as an alternative to the water/alcohol injection found on most non intercooled superchargers that see good results. There are some tricks to making the intercooler a much better choice. I'll look into the FMU once I have the whole system working properly. | How so? Water/alky injection cools better than an intercooler, it also doesnt steal any pressure. Its much easier to setup and generally cheaper. |
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06-30-2008, 04:45 PM
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| Re: Supercharger help Imo I feel that the water/alcohol injection is good for drag racing. I am setting up my car for pro touring. So I would like to take it to a raceway when done. I think I am done messing with the paxton sn supercharger. I'll be running more boost with whatever supercharger project I'll be moving onto. Quote:
Originally Posted by Batass How so? Water/alky injection cools better than an intercooler, it also doesnt steal any pressure. Its much easier to setup and generally cheaper. | |
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07-01-2008, 12:21 PM
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Car: 92 rs camaro Engine: supercharged 355 Transmission: t-5 Axle/Gears: 342 | Re: Supercharger help Quote:
Originally Posted by 1989irocz1 Well, all together I paid around $1000 for the supercharger and intercooler kit. $150 for the cost of installing it. After I get all the vitals hooked up right, I will pay someone (professional) to burn me a chip. I had the car backfiring when I was revving it to 4000 last night, so I think the timing needs to be adjusted now. I still have not pushed the motor past 4500 rpm because I get chills from hearing other people's experiences with the sn series paxtons after 5000 rpm. I read from other people that the bearing failures happen after 4850rpm (max rpm for the supercharger). I want to get the 3.5 in pulley ( which increases the max supercharger rpm to reduce bearing failure) but I have the 3 rib v belt kit which makes that pulley impossible to find. |
I have a paxton on im pushing around 9 1/2 lbs, I had to throw on a procharger bov due to i kept blowing out my gasket on my throttle body, Im loving my paxton. its not intercooled, im thinking I might go that route
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I went a good 2 yrs on mine, but then again i got it replaced then 4 days later due the guy that installed them did a bad job and forgot to place them in correctly, and the shaft was loose. but its been a good month now with the charger back and im loving it
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07-01-2008, 02:56 PM
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| Re: Supercharger help Are you running a paxton vr4? Quote:
Originally Posted by camarodude87 I have a paxton on im pushing around 9 1/2 lbs, I had to throw on a procharger bov due to i kept blowing out my gasket on my throttle body, Im loving my paxton. its not intercooled, im thinking I might go that route
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I went a good 2 yrs on mine, but then again i got it replaced then 4 days later due the guy that installed them did a bad job and forgot to place them in correctly, and the shaft was loose. but its been a good month now with the charger back and im loving it | |
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07-01-2008, 06:17 PM
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