This is all hypothetical right now, seeing as I have yet to buy my Camaro, but some time between now and next summer I'm going to buy one that's 1983-1988, and eventually I will want to supercharge it. My question concerns the power braking system. Does the brake booster run off manifold vacuum, and if it does can it be converted to a hydraulic system? Thanks for your help.

yes its vacuum assist, and yes you can convert to hydraulic, I am running into vacuum issues and I am contemplating a electric vacuum pump, much cheaper and easier then a hydraulic conversion.

I know it depends on personal likes, but you'd have way more fun with a turbo, have more power, even get better gas mileage.

Oh gosh here we go. Don't take this thread off topic.

Um, alright?

Your not off topic, part of the question is about supercharging. TraviZ has a Procharger and you like Turbos. That is the problem. Go Procharger, F3R139

Supposedly this is all hypothetical and he doesn't have even the car yet. I was just trying to point him in the right direction as far as forced induction goes, or just give him a view of more efficient ways. If he plans on using this car for daily, or frequent driving, a turbo is the way to go. Considering they have low and high boost settings, for when you don't need the power, and don't rob sometimes over 50 horsepower from the serpentine system.

For street applications the turbo is a better solution, but the Procharger sure does sound better.

Sure it sounds better in writing, but in reality, a supercharger is an engine parasite. They're capable of producing huge amounts of power, but take into consideration the power being robbed at the serpentine system, requiring your engine to make an extra 50 or so horsepower that will never make it to the wheels, also think about shift lag. While a turbo will spin freely to keep full boost during a half second or less of shifting time, the supercharger is intantly slowed down.

Superchargers are a parasite???? Thats the stupidest thing I ever heard! 50 horse to spin an extra pulley?? No way in hell!! Shift lag?? You gotta learn how to shift. How about turbo lag? Why do you think the top fuelers run blowers instead of turbos. Instant boost SEEEE YAAAAA!!!!

Lol, sorry but you haven't a clue what you're talking about. A supercharger IS an engine parasite, it takes power to make power. 50 horsepower to spin a pulley? No, but 50 horsepower to pressureize air to 8+ PSI and spin a compressor at 65,000+ RPM? Yes. Turbo lag is nonetheless an urban myth now ball bearing turbos have no lag if the engine is actually revving. Now you're going completely off topic, top fuel drag cars use blowers because they need the boost ABSOLUTELY as soon as they can get it, remember this is something where even a tenth of a second counts. Research them though, them blowers rob over 900 horsepower from the engine, and they're rebuilt after every run. Next time, stay on topic with something that'd refer to the subject at hand.

Oh yeah pal, it's not a matter of learning how to shift, when you let off the gas to shift even for half a second, engine RPM's go down, everyone knows that. That reduction of RPM's is directly tied to the supercharger, therefore making you lose boost. While a turbo will spin freely for a short amount of time, keeping close to full boost.

Good points. Either way I'm sure he'd be happy with turbo or a blower. They're both tons of fun!

That I'll agree on, superchargers are good on tracks, without shifting in the higher end, turbos are just better suited for top end cars. Guess they both have their strong points.

The centrifugal supercharger is directly tied to the crank, yes. But it is exponential as the RPM goes up. As far as shifts go every engine drops in RPM when you shift, I have no problem with my engine picking up and going. But then again I'm getting over 30lbs of boost, over 1900 ft lbs and over 2000 hps out of a Procharger on gas to the wheel.

Any pics?

Here you go. You might not like the engine it's a Hemi.

you got a pic of the motor ..would love to see how it fits in there

This is an alston chasis, only the shell is stock. Here is a couple pictures with the front end off.

Holly @#$* that things nutty! What class do you run that in?

It's a land speed car. A BG/ALT. Fastest camaro in the world 288mph.

LOL Yeah but what good if it doesn't have A/C........

roll down the window

At that speed the window are starting to open on their own.

That's some good air conditioning, 288 mph winds.

For some reason it doesn't seem like you're the real owner of this car, over 2,000 horsepower? You mean over 2,300 horsepower. Says that car is owned by John Laglo, and the Procharger website claims it only set a top speed of 269, not 288. My apologies if I'm incorrect, but it seems a little odd.

appology excepted for now. The spelling is wrong its Langlo, and the reason I put 2000 is because that is the only hard proof that I have will a dyno chart/video. After that video we went to FAST EFI and went from 28psi to 31 and from 6000rpm to 6800. This car has been 288 in 1994, since then our overdrive unit kept breaking, keeping us from achieving a second run, last year I went 269 and shut down early because of a blown intercooler. Any other questions?

That works for me. Lol.

Two dyno runs. First 2000(+) RWHP and me trying not to cuss on youtube, it was aroung 1 am. Second video with new FAST EFI putting out more HP but the car harmonics knocked the dyno sensor loose from the dyno with no data. The data that we did get was from our FAST system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCxH3Ltv9o0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJApvHuDpL0

I think the best way of going is a Vacuum Canister. It holds and stores vacuum for when you need it. I used to run one on an old truck i had that had a huge cam in it. After i installed the vacuum canister i didn't have any more problems with my brakes.

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

Or, you can just run a vacuum pump. I haven't used one, but they do work too.

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku


and for a Hydraulic Booster

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

i saw it says j&s east valley garage is this car in santa barbara ca?