Orr89RocZ

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Materials and casting/machining alone I would think cost more than 300 for a complete turbo. Exhaust housings themselves are over 130 bucks..... R&D is one thing but actual cost of materials and machining to make the bare bones turbo, i just dont see how they get away with selling them for that cheap

89fbrestor

my brother has a die shop over in sinjin (spelled wrong) china and he's told cost for man hours and it would blow your mind how cheap they will work for over there. he's made himself a millionaire with that company.... butthead wont share ANY of it with me either lol

Orr89RocZ

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Well even then, if its that cheap, why not sell it for 220 or 320 or 420 and make even more profit? Just shipping units over here to be sold will cost almost as much as one damn turbo. I've shipped an intake to the netherlands....wasnt cheap.

34blazer

im certain they make their money by selling in bulk, i spent a little time this afternoon looking for turbos. one of the websites(cant remember which one) has turbos for as low as 80 bucks a piece if you buy like 10 or more or something. if that was the case i wish i could spend my tax returns and buy a whole sh*tload of them since they seem to be a throwaway unit.

89fbrestor

he's shown me the crates he uses to ship some of the smaller dies and fixtures in and there pretty big and cost him about 5k to ship. you could easily fit a couple hundred boxes in those crates like the ones that my turbos came in.

Orr89RocZ

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Hopefully the turbos hold up well. I havent been looking for failures but havent seen anything yet. Dont know anyone really running the cheaper Ebay units yet either. At 120 each, that would make my quad turbo project much more wallet friendly.

junkcltr

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Dave,
I found a few listed for $120 but they all have 52mm inducers. Do you have the link to the 57mm inducer turbos?

project89

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i havent had time to go into my ebay history yet, the seller as most do miss list them as 57trim units and show a picture of the standard t3/t4 turbo

the seller i get mine from is ilovetaco or something ill try to get u the actual link tongiht sometime

project89

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junk this is the aucrtion
http://www.ebay.com/itm/250648441724...84.m1439.l2649

just email the guy and be sure that the turbo will be exactly like the picture

compressor measures 57/76mm same specs as gt3076 i dont have the turbine measurements off hand though but its the same as a ta-49

junkcltr

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Thanks, I will check it out.

junkcltr

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Seller says that the description is correct, and that the picture is just a sample and may not be correct. Maybe he changed what he is selling?

project89

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maybe il take a look threw his aucctions again, and actually i should still have his auction link saved from when i bought mine from him a few months back

project89

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that auction i linked u to was the same auction i bought mine from wierd ill look threw his other auctions cause i know he was offering both the 50mm and the 57mm

junkcltr

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This is what they responded with:
Hi, the auction picture is a sample picture. The description is the correct description for the turbo. Thanks for the interest.

EDIT: The picture shows a T04E housing and the description says T04B and smaller inducer. Too risky for me to take the chance and buy it.

project89

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i will let u know for sure in a few days on it one of the other v6 guys just ordered a turbo from that auction when he gets it ill have him verify if its a 50 or 57mm

the auction also states 8blade compressor wheel which the 50mm is only 6 the 57mm is 8

junkcltr

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Thank you. I agree that the description is kind of all over the place. The main AD listing says T04E and then in the small print it says T04B so it is hard to understand overall.
I think my current 5 bolt turbine outlets with internal wastegate will bolt right on to these turbos. The only change I think I would need to make is changing the comp input pipe from 2.4" to 3.0".

EDIT: This looks like the same turbo and has a (1.99") 57.75mm compressor inducer. What ever that is. I wonder if it is 1.99" or 57.75mm. Funky math gong on there. I do like that it comes with the studs & gaskets for $1 more. What do you think? Does it seem like the same turbo as "taco! taco!" ?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/T3-T4-Hybrid...item3370f6f028

project89

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junk he got his turbo and low and behold it was a 57mm unit

he is going to get me the auction link that he bought it from but im pretty sure i gave him the same link i gave u

junkcltr

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Looks good. Thank you for letting me know. I will give them a try.

EDIT: I am curious what the AD description said. Most I have seen say the same thing about being smaller than 57mm, but now I am thinking they are all 57mm inducers.

project89

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junk its the same auction
http://www.ebay.com/itm/T3-T4-T04E-T...item3a5bcfb37c

and these do come with studs bolts and gaskets as well

junkcltr

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Score. Now I have a reason to get those tax forms filed out. T3 .63 A/R turbines with the std wheels are on it . It will be interesting to see how much the larger stage 3 wheel changes the spool rpm.

89fbrestor

just a quick update. have'nt had much time to do anything on the motor lately. we're going through a remodeling phase and i had about an hour this morn to start pulling the motor apart.. which wasnt that much. but its a start.

i have my heads lined up with a local race shop to have them worked. there going to bowl blend, port match, chamber polish and open them up to 2.02 and what ever else is needed for about $700... does that sound like a good price. the shop has come highly recomended from the mechanic doing some fab work for me.

junkcltr

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I have one of these turbos in my hands and did some measuring.
1) The comp inducer wheel size is 54mm, not 57mm
2) The comp housing is a T3, not a T04 / T04B / T04E
3) It has the T04E and TB part number on the housing so it is the one pictured.

Overall, the AD is correct and these are not 57mm inducers. Since the housing is a T3 it will flow no where near what a true T04B or T04E would flow with a 54 or 57mm wheel. I would expect 375 BHP out of these max.

89fbrestor

wow that sucks i'm glad my ebay turbos measured what they advertised. can you get your money back?

junkcltr

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Could you post a picture of the top of the compressor housing so I could see the diameter of the housing and the part number on the "tag"?

junkcltr

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I don't mind that they are only 54mm. What bothers me is they are listed at T04E comp housings and these are only T3. The 54mm won't flow that much less than 57mm, but these tiny T3 housings with that size wheel won't flow for beans.

What is the smallest diameter of the compressing housings on the turbo you bought? Are they really T4 housings?

project89

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junk post apicture please
i dont think u got the same turbo, mine measured 57mm and is in a t04e housing marty runs 2 of these on a bbc as well except he got the ones with the internal gates but its the same turbo

junkcltr

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I will post a picture tonight.
They are the same turbo as in the picture of that AD you post a link to. I don't get how the comp could only be a T3 if it is the same pic as you have.
What is the smallest outer diameter of the comp housing you have? 5-ish inches or 7-ish inches?
Are the air cleaner inlets on yours a 3" or 4" diameter?

EDIT: The box they were in was marked T4/T3 57.............so it looks like they were marked as 57 trim. The strange thing is that they fit the picture in the AD except that the angle pictures make the comp housing look like it is T4 like the AD says. It is a T3 housing though.

89fbrestor

i'll post up some better pics of mine as well. i paid $220 a piece for mine. there not the same ones you guys are talking about but from what i could tell the add and the part matched. i also bought an intercooler from them and it was as described as well. you can see the company name on the turbo boxes in the pics. they have a lot of turbo stuff on ebay.

project89

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ill remeasure my compresosr housing tongiht when i get a chance

junkcltr

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That is the exact same turbo that I have. It is a T3 housing. The comp wheel is 54mm at the inducer from tip-to-tip. Where did he measure 57mm?

junkcltr

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Since yours has a 4" inlet I would have to guess it is a real T4 compressor housing.

project89

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not all t4 compressor housings are 4 inch inlet most are 3 inch. if u put this nexto a garrett t04e its the same housing onc eu get into the 60mm wheels they switch to the 4 inch housings with 2.5 inch outlets

he didnt measure his i just used the pics to verify he got the same turbo i did, i measured mine tip to tip with a caliper and converted to mm

junkcltr

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You are right. I measured them and they are small T4 compressor housings. The comp wheel inducer is 54.2 mm. I will give them a whirl.
If the turbine can handle the flow they should max at around 400-450 HP. That is way more than I need. The engine will end up in the 78% contour line.

project89

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im curoius what did u use to measure the inducers ? i know mine came out to 57. something mm with a good caliper, and i know my caliper aint bad cause its a staret and i use it to measure the oal of the rounds i reload for my ar10

junkcltr

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I used a good set of calipers. I have standards for the micrometers that I check the accuracy of the calipers with. It is definitely 54mm. I will measure the major diameter tomorrow. I am fine with the 54mm. I won't be pushing them hard.

project89

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im just curious why urs is 54.2 and mine is 57.4mm irc and my exducer was 76mm

do u have a set of feeler gauges u can check blade edge to housing clearance???

junkcltr

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I can measure the exducer diameter tomorrow. I have micrometers that measure to .0001" that I can do the wheel with, and telescoping gauges to do the comp housing bore with. I can post all measurements with .0001". I should get around to it sometime later in the day tomorrow.

project89

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i need to get a set of telescoping gauges , best i can do is use my feeler gauges to see what the clearance is , my calipers may be long enough i can take a measurement inside the compressor housing opening but i doubt it

89fbrestor

hey guys i measured mine not that your talking about the same turbos but here is the dimensions all the same .





they were advertised as
inlet:4"
outlet:2.5"
flange:t3
compressor:.70a/r
turbine:.84a/r
compressor wheel:91mm/61mm
turbine wheel:74.4mm/62mm

hmmmm

project89

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how much did u pay for those ??? dbl the cost of the ones me and junk have right. id send them back and pick up a pair of these, unless urs have .8x ex housings then i would keep them

89fbrestor

whats .8x mean? how do i tell?

project89

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look on the turbing housing it should be stamped like .63 ar or .84 or .82 ar

it may be inside the turbine inlet

89fbrestor

well on the compressor side i see "70 ar" but i couldnt see anything on the turbine side. i'll pull it out of the bag tomorrow and look around on the turbine side.

Orr89RocZ

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Idk how they can get away with advertising something like that and not being even remotely close to correct size. 61/91 and its only 56/75??? Thats 16 mm off the big end! over 5/8 inch difference!

89fbrestor

ya i was thinking the same thing. the first time measured them for "junkcltr" i just measured with the paper trick and thought a couple mm smaller wasnt a big deal but that 91 to 74 really bothers me. i'll probably end up buying some better turbos but for now i'm going to continue along with the build just to keep things moving

so any input on what these turbos will do guys? the compressor a/r is as advertised so assuming the turbine side is as well where would i stand for hp levels on this build?

grrrrrrrrrrrr

junkcltr

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Results are in:

Compressor housing ID: 2.1678"
Comp wheel inducer: 2.1301"
Comp wheel exducer: 2.7571"

That is for the same turbo that Project89 posted a picture of. It comes out to a 60 trim. Since the exducer is small then it is definitely not a T04E wheel copy. Closest Garrett wheel is a T04B "V" wheel and housing.

junkcltr

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The measurements you posted show that you have T04E housing 57 trim turbos. Together they will flow enough air for 800+ BHP. I don't see why you would need to upgrade later on. What is your HP goal?

89fbrestor

that will work for me.

89fbrestor

hey i was over on ebay buying some more things and came across blow off valves... i have no clue what size i should be using.. any input?

sailtexas186548

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the biggest ones you can afford, wastegates too