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Im gonna be the first to say i think there are too many sub forums under the auto detailing and appearance section. I think it will complicate and lengthen the time of web surfing on this site. if no one else agrees i will shut up.
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If not categorized, the Members Rides will be a mess. I don't think there's a way to just have it say Members Rides and not Camaros and Firebirds on the main page.
rwdtech... I understand what you are saying, however, there is a trade off between easy browsing and easy finding what you are looking for. We decided that easy finding beats out easy general browsing.
i think they should just make another section like auto apperance and detailing and call it members rides.....no need to split it up between gta trans am...camaro,rs,iroc.....most of the cars on here are camaros anyway
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isnt that what the search function is for? i thought the memebers ride subform was a good idea, but the sub forums under that seemed a bit much
i understand someone did have to go thru the current threads and sort them out, and they probably dont want that to have been for nothing
If only people made their picture threads searchable. However, posting like "I got new rims" or "It's finally done" doesn't tell you anything about the car, thus making it impossible to use the search function to find.
Second, it will remain a Subforum of A&D, we discussed it's own Forum, but decided against it.
The only clutter is the number of sub forums we have.
I would rather load one members rides page and scroll though various threads of "My 88 IROC, my 87 GTA, etc" so I can pick and choose what I would like to see.
At most, it should be separated into Camaro and Firebird. Come on, splitting up GTA's from Trans Am's and IROCS from Z28's? Thats ridiculous. It's splitting hairs. I'm surprised there is no Recaro sub forum.
Plus people with their base models and Berlinetta's are not going to get much attention because not everyone is interested in them. Some people are not going to bother opening the subforum. I know I won't. They have a better chance of catching someones eye when mixed with the others. It's kinda like segregation. "Haha, you have a Berlinetta. We are going to put you off in your corner over there so not everyone has to be bothered by you."
All in all, the less sub forums we have to go through to see what we want the better.
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I actually liked it when the only subforum was "Member's Rides". I didn't find it cluttered at all, and I liked being able to browse thru to find any threads that I found interesting. Now it's like I have to go into 6 different forums to see if there's any cars that I'd like to keep up on the progress. Takes too much time and when I work 2 jobs AND go to school, I dont have time to sit on the internet for 8 hrs browsing thru A&D trying to find something interesting.
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The only clutter is the number of sub forums we have...
At most, it should be separated into Camaro and Firebird. Come on, splitting up GTA's from Trans Am's and IROCS from Z28's? Thats ridiculous. It's splitting hairs. I'm surprised there is no Recaro sub forum...
Plus people with their base models and Berlinetta's are not going to get much attention because not everyone is interested in them. Some people are not going to bother opening the subforum. I know I won't. They have a better chance of catching someones eye when mixed with the others...
I agree with all of the above. I've been waiting YEARS to finally finish my car and post pics up on the A&D board. A couple weeks before I finish it the new format takes place. I posted my thread the other day and suddenly it gets moved and buried in the "Base/SE Firebird" sub-sub-forum of the "members rides" sub-forum.
What if you left the stuff up on the main A&D page until interest wanes and the thread drops off the first page... THEN move it to the sub-forum?
Since posting pictures of one's car to merely show it off is not exactly technical, which is TGO's main focus, the A&D forum was not really the place to house those posts. It wasn't technical, didn't always pertain to any detailing tips/tricks, and wasn't always appearance modifications. The A&D forum was simply the best fit for those posts. With the activity that those posts create, it would drive down the other posts that pertain to the main purpose of that forum (technical detailing tips, tricks, and appearance modifications).
Personally, I was concerned with not having a specific place for members to simply post their rides to "show off". To be upfront, the vBGarage is limited and inefficient, for the time being. And directing members to post their pictures off-website was also my concern. Even though posting pictures of one's car is not exactly technical nature, I think this place is the home for 1982-1992 F-Bodies so those posts should remain within the TGO community.
to sum it up- it was much easier to see NEW threads and new pics, when u only have to scroll down one page. now u have to check out what 7 or 8 to see if there's anything new in there?, its stupid.. not to mention alot of cars now arent really what the vin # say's- se's t/a's there all custom.. what im trying to say 1 sub forum "members rides" is more than sufficiant. a thirdgen is a thirdgen.
The A&D section is *not* for posting pictures of your car.
i agree when you say threads that are made to merely show off a car are not technical, but i think its threads such as those that keep this site running. this may be a technical site, but for car guys there are two purposes of a car: performance and looks. I love to see other people's cars, stock or modified. its one of the big reasons why i come here. after checking those threads i usually check the more tech related threads to give out any advice/help/experience i can. im not an expert but i can give some help to people. i think a lot of people would stop comming to the boards if there were no "show off" section such as auto detailing/member's rides. the less people that come here, the less tech advice is given (not to mention advertisers pulling out). i dont know about everyone else, but i wouldnt want to come to a board just to answer tech questions...seems kind of mundane. this site is unique in that is has a TON of memebers and is the best 3rd gen site out there; PLUS there is no off topic section. i cant stand those boards with the off topic sections where people just make stupid spam posts, because then that crap starts to carry over into the tech related posts. i think having a member's rides section is a good compromise because we keep lots of members and dont have to have an off topic section. we get the traffic we need to satisfy advertisers and answer tech questions without some stupid off topic section
so in all, i think we should keep the member's rides section as the only sub forum and allow people to make "show off" threads. just as long as no spamming goes on
i agree with spearating member rides from AD but breaking down member rides into ALL the models is just stupid to be honest. we do so many things to these cars that many out there dont look/act like stock. i dont see the point in catagoring them at all. i MAY be able to understand separating camaros from firebirds but thats the FARTHEST you should take it. as many have said its just a pain in the butt. but thats just my two cents.
i agree when you say threads that are made to merely show off a car are not technical, but i think its threads such as those that keep this site running. this may be a technical site, but for car guys there are two purposes of a car: performance and looks. I love to see other people's cars, stock or modified. its one of the big reasons why i come here. after checking those threads i usually check the more tech related threads to give out any advice/help/experience i can. im not an expert but i can give some help to people. i think a lot of people would stop comming to the boards if there were no "show off" section such as auto detailing/member's rides. the less people that come here, the less tech advice is given (not to mention advertisers pulling out). i dont know about everyone else, but i wouldnt want to come to a board just to answer tech questions...seems kind of mundane. this site is unique in that is has a TON of memebers and is the best 3rd gen site out there; PLUS there is no off topic section. i cant stand those boards with the off topic sections where people just make stupid spam posts, because then that crap starts to carry over into the tech related posts. i think having a member's rides section is a good compromise because we keep lots of members and dont have to have an off topic section. we get the traffic we need to satisfy advertisers and answer tech questions without some stupid off topic section
There is no debate there. As already stated, we created the section for members to simply show off your F-Body after realizing that the vBGarage was lacking, and suggestions to use off-website resources wasn't exactly the best interest for the community here. That's why we made the change to accommodate those posts. As far as advertising, that's not my area of concern and had nothing to do with the change, regardless how believable that is to some. The staff here still tries to operate TGO in the same way as the past.
As far as the comment about the TGO not wanting the effort towards splitting the forums and moving threads being for nothing, I don't think that's a factor here, in my opinion. I split the forums and moved threads, along with AmorgetRS and Irocz. However, it was not my idea to split the forums as seen. I merely did the work.
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i think we all agree. 1 sub forum "members rides" thats all.........
I think a few posts here is no gauge of "all" or any majority.
If Irocz, or any of the moderators of the A&D forum, want a change, I won't mind.
I agree with the member rides section but I dont like all the sub-forums off the member rides.
Sometimes I think you guys overthink some stuff . Ive been here a long time and seen many things good and bad and I think you guys are doing a decent job but may be trying to hard in some areas
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I agree in that it was much more convenient without all the sub-forums. We all support each other here and enjoy browsing all models of thirdgen, I for one don't come here to only look at Z28's, and making all the diffent sub-forums make's browsing more of a pain and borderline annoying.
The new setup has advantages, but in my opinion they are far outnumbered by disadvantages.
Just what I feel at this point, maybe I'll get used to it and like it after a while..
I'm sorry, but the extra sub forums are absolutely, utterly ridiculous. Just as all of my peers previously stated, the addition of the Member's Rides section was useful, as it created a venue for all of us to post pictures of our cars. These new sub-sub forums are insane. 90% of the time when i browse through A&D (and now the Member's Rides section), i just want to see new pictures of peoples cars. I dont care whether its a GTA, Sport Coupe, RS, Formula, or Iroc...i love all thirdgens (as all of us here do!). So now, with these subforums, I now have to say to myself "well let me see if there are any new GTA pictures...now let me see if there are any new Formula Pictures...now let me see if there any new Iroc Pictures... etc ,etc. etc. This decreases the amount of attention each member's car will get, because i'm sure a large percentage of us will not check all 7 or 8 subforums.
Please, mod's and admins...go back to the A&D board and 1 subforum--Member's Rides!! We all appreciate the work you guys are putting into the site, but all these subforums are overkill. Every non-mod or non-admin who has posted in this topic has agreed that all the seperate Member's Rides subforums are disliked. I'm sure that if more members saw this topic they would all agree.
I agree. I don't like all those new sub-forums. I thought the one sub-forum of members rides was fine. No need to divide everything up. And like a mack said, some sections will probably just get completely browsed over. You factor all these sub-forums in with the slow speed of the site, not a fun time.
Once again, the posts here are still very far from representing any majority. As well, like in technical support, you often only hear from people who have problems or complaints. How often do you hear from people to simply praise or support the actions, or service? Rarely. That doesn't mean that they (people with praise and support) are outnumbered.
I'm not supporting, nor am I against, the new sub-forums. Personally, it doesn't matter to me.
Maybe change some of the subforum names also like change Formula to Formula / SE since SE was kind of like the formula. Change IROC-Z28 to IROC-Z / IROC-Z28. Change GTA to GTA / TTA. I don't know, just suggestions.
Where sub-forums would really be more useful would be in the LTx/LSx swap forums. Making LTx swaps have their own sub-forum and LSx have their own sub-forum. LTx and LSx swaps don't have too much in common. It would be a lot of work to sort the old threads out in that forum though.
I don't understand why people would rather have a basically unsearchable, unorganized, Member Ride section. That section over time will get huge and if you want to see a certain type of Third Gen you will have to go through post after post trying to find them with posts like "Here's my car" or "Pictures of my Camaro (or Firebird)." Which car? What kind of Camaro or Firebird? Having sections takes that away and lets you find pictures of what you want to see or not. I didn't want them to appear quite the way they do, but I'm not sure there is a way around it yet.
Basically the vbgarage is useless compared to our Readers Rides we had way back and we wanted something more organized and direct.
hmm interesting, the site has been fine for the years ive been here. i was also here before my user account says. the mods are always telling people to use the search function to find specific things, now you are going against that?
in time, all those sub forums will be full with years of "unsearchable, unorganized" threads. you are just delaying the inevitable. it all comes down to having to use the search function. if someone doesnt want to have to use the search or go thru a bunch of threads, tuff luck; stuff that has been done in the past will be done again. just keep track of new threads. if it is something that was done a long time ago, it should be OK to make a thread asking about it so that people remebering an old thread can link them to it
the mods are always telling people to use the search function to find specific things, now you are going against that?
I don't see where that was stated. I think Irocz was referring to all the members posting their rides without any details. I ran across many posts where members simply posted pictures of their car, and some comments, but did not leave any details about the car itself in regard to build. No year provided. No trim level provided. If that information isn't there, it cannot be searched on.
I agree. I do not like all the sub forums for each model under the member's ride sub forum. It just causes too much work to even bother looking any more.
As it is currently with the breakdown of all the different models, I don't like the subdivision. Reason: Breaks the community feel. I know it is much more searchable than before, but much of the appeal of the A&D forum was seeing what was new with members doing visual work to their cars. One place to check for the new trends in thirdgen land. Whether the car was a base bird or an optioned out IROC, I'd read them all. This was tolerable (and enjoyable) being in one forum, even with the delay this site has. Separating it all out makes it just annoying/aggravating enough not to want to click on each sub-forum.
What would be nice (don't know if this is doable in our forum software) would be a radio-button style selection (or drop-down) where you selected which type of car this post was about. Make this available on the search side and you've cleared alot of this up. I'm sure this isn't as doable as I'd imagine though...
i think they should just make another section like auto apperance and detailing and call it members rides.....no need to split it up between gta trans am...camaro,rs,iroc.....most of the cars on here are camaros anyway
I'm right in between here. It would make searching easier if you are looking for pictures of IROC's, Trans Am's...etc. But if you are looking for specific things such as "Black IROCs" and the threads in the IROC forum just say "Look at my IROC" instead of "Look at my black IROC", it's really not going to make searching any easier.
Maybe we should make subforums inside subforums to break each model down by color. Hehe j/k
From what I seen, if someone makes a thread with a picture of their Camaro, someone will always reply and say something like "that's a nice IROC" or "thats a clean SC". Which the search function would pick up if you were searching for "IROC". So I really don't know how much all the subforums will actually help the searching.
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it sounds like most of the members agree (at least on this thread) with eachother. and the mods agree with eachother. so the old saying goes that the customer is always right. in this case the member. these new sub forums suck!!!!! no offense mods
im in with you boys, the first thing i felt when i saw this was yet another bottleneck on TGO. very annoying and segregated, and me being a much overlooked sc owner, doesnt appreciate it one bit. its a PITA and is very very annoying. memebers rides is cool, all others fail. looks like we took another step back into the abraham lincoln days.
I agree with the majority here.
I'm not digging the new sub forums, its too easy for threads to get buried and its too much effort to just "browse" through everything. A members rides forum is an alright idea, but all the sub forums kill it.
im in with you boys, the first thing i felt when i saw this was yet another bottleneck on TGO. very annoying and segregated, and me being a much overlooked sc owner, doesnt appreciate it one bit. its a PITA and is very very annoying. memebers rides is cool, all others fail. looks like we took another step back into the abraham lincoln days.
Wow, exaggerate much? I understand that you don't like it, but talk about over the top...
Another no vote for the Sub-Forums. I'm feeling Kevin's (Firebird 383) comment on this one.
He's worked extremely hard on his car- it's one of the nicest on this board. And now people have to look for it to find it. I don't like the sub forums one bit. If people are looking for specific models, I feel they should search.
An interesting sub-note about the sub-forums: It seems that they have killed the A&D board. Before the sub-forums, A&D was probably the most popular forum and every day the entire first page was filled with new posts.
I just looked at A&D and at 9:30pm on a Sunday, only FIVE threads have been posted in all day.
I'd like to place another vote to keep "Members Rides" and kill off all the sub-sub forums (breakdowns by specific trim level). Maybe just add a sticky at the top saying to be sure to list your year, make & model when you post. That way, the majority who want to browse through everyone's cars aren't punished by having to look through 8 different sub-forums to pacify the few that are searching for a specific type of car.
What he said was spot on!
You guys are killing the A/D board!
I have to flip through tons of sub forums to look at people's rides instead of just scrolling down a page that people loved to post their freshly washed and waxed rides up on.
Instead of making the search easier you made it time consuming and gave it that boot camp feel. I feel if i accidentally post my ride in the wrong subform that penalties will arise. Im sure many others feel that way, hence the lack of posts that now occur in that forum.
The members want their board back. Who cares what it was "meant" for, TGOers turned it into a board that people could post up without confining categories! Diversity! Camaro's and Firebird's shining on the same board!
Some of you have been seriously exaggerating, but regardless I have changed the Members Rides. I prefered it neat and organized but it seems that most of you don't. There is a board for all models of Camaros and all models of Firebirds, this is the way it will stay. Instead of making new posts everytime something is done to your car, try and update your previous posts. Also, make them informative and not just have them be all about pictures.
looks like we took another step back into the abraham lincoln days. 
What he said was spot on!
