For those interested ......I was just there and the headers are finally being fabricated.

Thats my luck...3 days too late.
Oh well.

Confirm me for one order. Kind of hard to believe. By the way I will take one of the Special Edition sets.

I saw your title to this thread, Don, and thought you were comenting on how long it took to get TGO back up! TGO did get up quicker than your headers, though! Did you double the order?

Yes I, did

Please include me. Thank You.

Put me on the list

Don,

You do have a set earmarked for my new motor correct?

Jonathan...

Yes, you are covered.
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You are coverd too

Hey Jonathan.. Awesome to see your now able to start building your car.. It's going to be sweet.. I seen your heads there with Don.. So smooth.. Good luck with everything..

Yeah I've been wanting to do this for a while now, it's not as radical as some of you guy's combo but I'm sure that I will be very happy w/ the results because the master builder is on the job. I am not aiming for the fastest time or anything like that, just something respectable and can keep up w/ you guys.

Later,
Jonathan...

add one more to the list don, coated headers and a y-pipe please sir!

Here is what they look like:
(these are for installations with 'vette heads or Vortec)

Will do! (sorry for being so slow)

Not to worry, they will go on the 84.

B-E-A-UTIFUL!!!!!!!!

Maybe I missed something, but whats the price on these bad boys?

just wondering, are AFR 190's externally or internally EGR plumbed? cause that will tell me what kind of headers i need...

How did you get them? They are not plumbed for egr, race only heads; but they can be ordered drilled for internal egr, I think. It is one of the things that raises the price on AFR heads.

Also what plug angle....AFR's..... or Corvette ....or straight?

id do normal straight plugs in it unless you think otherwise would be better... but i had planned on getting a pair soon... well unless someone could suggest something better...

The Trick Flows are the best bang for the buck, unless you are trying to set an NHRA record
Vincent & Allen have them and are laying down good #s (they have the corvette plug angle).

lol, im sure this has been said before, but i want to be different. i already know what their setups can do. both the guys i knew in AZ that were running 406cid SBC used AFR 190's and they both said they would never use anything else, so i figured id try them on a 355cid but if everyone here likes the trickflows better, might as well go with what works

I personally don't have any experience with this but form what i've heard from others who do, trickflows are great out of the box and don't require much work for relatively cheap. Same for afr but they are not easy on the pocket. Trickflows flow just about as much as you'll ever need out of a 350 and afr's can go from a 350 to a 406 to a smallblock 427. Basically, if you just want a good 12 second 350, trickflows will more than do the trick. Afr's are heavy and expensive, but are great heads. Your choice.

The way i feel about it, is if you have the money and are willing to spend it, go with the AFRs. James' car ran 12.3x with untouched AFRs.

exactly.... the AFR's i want are only a few hundred more than the trickflows... In my book, Anything worth doing, is worth doing right... the first time. The way i see it, a 400rwhp capable sbc is a hard thing to do, even with the trickflow heads and still retain smog legality. Ill try it with the AFR's. Im sure its possible...

p.s. for everyone that thinks im nuts for building this motor seeing that i have a vert, dont worry, i plan on putting it in a hardtop... lol

400RWHP is a lofty goal especially with a 700R4. My new years resolution was to see how close I can come to it. Good luck in your quest and lets see who comes the closest. Vincent is at the 373RWHP mark and with a few tweaks here and there I think he can make it. But he is running a World Class T5 so his route is a little easier.

im going to use a T56, not a 700R4 lol, not unless it was a Raptor 700, but with the cam ill probably use i need high rear end gears, and 3.73's and 700R4's dont make a very friendly combo... 130-140mph top speed and 3000+ rpm @ 80... i get 13mpg now driving it anywhere.

Remember Vincent's Trickflows have only been worked on on the exhaust side. Intake side is stock and he has put down 370rwhp with it.

Really? so you are saying his intake ports still have all the casting flash and have not been touched at all? I don't think so.

Trickflows are a decent head and with some porting they work very well. With full porting they probably have more potential than the CNC and ported AFRs. But when you buy the heads and have to change to lighter valves and better springs then they come with, and then get a $600 port job on them then whether the AFRs are that more expensive becomes less clear. Then again the AFR have a high price of entry and are pretty heavy because they leave a lot of material on them even after the CNC port.

I'll take a guess and say that next time Allen pulls his trickflow heads off he will not leaves the ports unmolested by a die grinder or similar means. Every little bit helps.

Dont get the straight plugs. Get the L98 angle at least.

yeah, L98 angle is the ones i was looking at, and weight... that is the least of my worries.. remember, its going in a thirdgen.. not the lightest car anyway.... 5-10 lbs isnt going to bother me.. i just wont eat the day i drag and ill make sure to "lose some weight" before i go.. lol. im not building a race engine, just a good power making one differently than everyone else so far has done

[quote=james_85Z28]Really? so you are saying his intake ports still have all the casting flash and have not been touched at all? I don't think so.

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Well James it's true. The intake ports haven't been touch since the last time you saw them. This was the last time the engine was out of the car with a broken valve spring at Don's shop when your car was still running. Don't hate because your car couldn't make the power.

Umm yeah...so whens the next dyno day again??

[quote=VincentZ28]I said that they have been touched. You are saying they haven't changed since then which is probaly true. They had been touched from out of the box last I saw them. Not hating, just pointing out that they are not as they came out of the box.

So you are also saying that they HAVE NOT been port matched?

The stock casting are still in the intake ports.

so you have not port matched them at all? I don't think so. I'm sure you can get really slimy and say just because there is some stock casting flash by the valves that there is still stock casting. But I have seen your heads and know that they are not stock and you are downplaying what had been done to your heads and that it not honest for those looking for information on stock heads, which yours were not- they were modified when you bought them.

UH....I don't think so

You did do some work on them.. So we cant say there stock out the box.. Remember when you CC them with me.. You changed out the springs.. I dont recall any outrageous porting that I would have noticed.. So if you didnt port them out like Kevin's then there untouched or just port matched.. no big deal.. Same with my heads.. We all know an understand what you do to set up heads.. So James if Don says he didnt port them out.. Then there more less out the Box.. Just set up correctly.. Or what did trick flow do to them when they were sent back?


SchwarzCamaroRS Just do the best you can.. Myself im just running Vortec's.. My combo is pretty well Matched up.. So Afr Trick Flow it's like who cares.. Do what you can and just get it correctly together and running good.. That's all that matters..

Sounds awesome.. I already know your going to love the power..

what exactly is BS? I have seen his heads.

......I happen to be at Don's shop today to get a a quick exhaust issue taken care of and noticed a certain pair of trick flow heads that have modified intake ports......the stock casting in the intake ports was long gone and replaced by oily deposits indicated the heads are well used and not freshly cleaned up.......I guess I knew more things about the mods to yourcar then you do......

James this post is like a year old.