I have a 5.7 engine with less that 40k miles rebuilt, a complete TPI setup with computer and Wiring harness (and extra plenum, manifold etc...) and everything you need to swap from automatic to stick: T5 Trans, Shifter, Both boots, Pedals, Clutch Master cylinder, New Slave cylinder, also the clutch resevior... Only about 1000 miles on the clutch, or less... I was going to put this in my 91 Vert but I am going with an LSx Swap. I paid $2500 for the motor(including installation) and drove it for a few years I paid $500 for the TPI setup with cpu, harness and MAF Sensor I paid $500 for the complete trans swap items listed above Motor runs srtong, trans shifts in all gears. I would hold on to this for my other project but I need money for my LSx Swap... Pickup only, I am in Riverside I am asking $1,200 for everything.

would you take payments... =P...

would love to buy it... just dont have the cash flow right now...

Somebody better jump on this!

I don't think I could take payments, I need the money to buy the LQ4, and probably put the rest towards heads, then it's time for a loan... again everything works great, would love to keep it around... but I need the cash... motor was very strong, a lot stronger than the 305 I have in the vert now... I will most likely put an add on Craigslist tomorrow, I wanted to give you guys first crack at it though.

well if you gonna put it on craigs list... try and get more... cuz they gonna try to low ball you... even tho you got a great price on it already...

Thanks for the info... I will do that, I have a few offers already, So the price will probably go to 1500 if no one here wants it for 1200

So this has everything i need to do a swap from an automatic????
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If u still have it I might be able to get it next weekend......PM me

It may be sold... someone is coming this weekend to buy... i will let you know is anything changes

Boooooooooooooooooooo!

Well seeing as how i just got the complete Long block, harness, and ecm with only 16k miles(LQ4) for 500 and sold the tpi stuff for 1150 i don't see how it is bs or how I am an idiot since The LSx motor is way better for horsepower, mileage, drivability, not to mention that it is way stronger and is GMs best engine by far!

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SOLD!!

Thirdgens belong with thirdgen engines, that's why. And you'll spend more than $500 getting that LS1 in there.

Yeah obviously! I am expecting to spend about 3500 on the swap... but I love the look of third gens, but they are lacking in power... so imma gonna fix that right up
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So its ok to put a 4th gen tranny like you have done, but not a fourth gen motor... I'm lost

A T56 comes in four flavors, LT1, LS1, Viper, and aftermarket. Its not fourthgen specific. And also there are no thirdgen manual trans strong enough. But I'm referring to the engine here. Thirdgens should keep their thirdgen engines.

I guess I don't see the difference here... T56 never came in third gens, neither did ls1's so neither should be put into a third gen... I feel third gen motors have not enough power potential... just like you feel there is no manual trans that is strong enough so you went with a newer trans... I want more horsepower and drivability, so I am upgrading to an LS1. I like to customize my vehicles, paint, stereo, engine, suspension... I am bettering this car, not being an idiot...

Come back and tell us how thrilled you are with it after you're done and your wallet is stinging.
And every time you want to do something to it, you will spend a fortune.

Yeah I know its going to be expensive.. but after talking to guys who have done it, I think I will love it.

But the T56 was put into the 92' concept (or whatever they called it) as an anniversary edition, even thought it never made it. LS1 never was.

No, the '92 concept Camaro used the ZF6 from the Corvette.

You have a convertible. How much power and torque can you put to one of those weak frameless cars? Not much. Hope you're building a rollcage too. LS1's are great but they cost too much and look ugly. I love fiddling with TPI and making it up to LS1 power levels while being an underdog. No one suspects a TPI to run like this.

Yeah I hear you... I am getting an 8 point cage for it and the spohn sub frame connectors... I wasn't going to do it at first but I am seeing that it will be a good idea... I am also putting in those "helper bags" that go into the stock rear springs to stiffen up the suspension. I wanted to go tpi at first, but I would have had to rebuild my motor and make it 383, with ported siamesed runners, and a bigger throttle body to make anywhere near the horsepower a stock lsx block with heads and cam makes... I have a post:
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/lt...ggestions.html (Planning on an LQ4 Swap --Suggestions?)

I will update my swap here... either way this car will be awesome with an ls1... yeah it would be cool with a tpi, but you see those everyday. How often do you see a third gen with an ls1. I have never seen one in person.
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Oh and I love the look of tpi... but the ls1 with the corvette coil covers is sick.

I wouldnt necessarily say that... owning both LS1 and TPI at the same time.. it was actually cheaper to run my LS1 than it was my TPI.. and it was cheaper to make more HP on the LS1 than the TPI as well.

case in point.. to make 375rwhp on my LS1.. required 4 things... a cam (250$) long tube headers (375$ coated), Y pipe (125$ coated) LS6 valve springs (50$) and a dyno tune ($150).. miscellanious parts ($250).. i did all the labor myself (changing springs, pulling and installing new cam, headers ect).. i kept the same stock block, same heads, intake manifold...

Total $1200 (i acutally have receipts for $1,232.89 (most items i bought had free shipping too)

now to make my TPI do that.. i would have had to have new AFR heads or Trick Flows (1300-2200$) ported and polished intake manifold (425$ for manifold + cost of porting 150$) Custom prom ($150) Headers (200-350$) 3" catback ($400), TPI Runners ($400) TPI 58mm tb (200$) a cam (175-230) a custom cold are intake (50-80$ for parts)

total = $3450 to $4,585... this is if you already have a 350 L98 engine too.. Granted you can find deals on used parts.. if you're lucky.. but im basing this on New parts Vs. New parts...

not to mention tranny upgrade because the T5 wouldnt handle that (2200 for T56 from McLeod)

see where im going? costs much much more to do than to mod a LS1/6 or LS2/7.

about 3-5 years ago.. prices for parts for LS1's were very high because there were not a lot of people producing parts.. just the big namers were.. now.. EVERYONE makes some type of LSx based parts.. prices have come way down and are very easy to get.

case in point.. the new L92 heads (6.0 and 6.2 baby LS7 heads it what the call them) will flow 320cfm on the intake out of the box from GM!!!... price? Gmpartsdirect sells 1 head for $ 175 bare.. and $399 complete.. or buy a whole L92 top end (L92 heads, L76 intake manifold, L76 fuel rails, injectors, L76 TB) for $1200.. thats enough for 430rwhp out of the box on a 6.0 LS2 block...

cheaper? and factory parts... the LSx based engines win.

dont get me wrong though.. i love the TPI.. but $$ Vs. HP made.. LSx is the better bet.

You forgot to add in the price of buying the LS1 engine and transmission, the cost of conversion parts to put it into a thirdgen, and the cost of modifying the k-member or buying a new k-member to get the LS1 to fit in there. Then the swap doesnt look as attractive.

Of course an LS1 will make more power than a similar TPI engine, I am not arguing that. The LS1 has better parts and a better computer.

True..

but i was just compairing engine mods to engine mods... not necessarily the swap... just what it costs to modify 1 engine vs modify the other engine...

yes a complete swap is $$$... which is why i didnt go that route with mine, i was seriously thinking about it.. but.. too costly and time consuming for me... its the little stuff that would nickle and dime me to death..

Does anyone have a 4l60e for sale

For an LSx you need a 4L65...different bolt pattern.

I'm pretty sure the 4l65e didnt get put into camaros... and it wasnt in corvettes until 2005 (i think) 4l60e was used until 02 and my engine is from an 02 suburban... and it had a 4l60e in it.

Are you sure about that?
The last 2000 Camaro I worked on had a 4L65e.
The bellhousing unbolts.

Hmmmm... I will definatley make sure before I make a purchase, thank you for looking out!

Before you heavily modify your vert, think about what you are doing to a rare car. Most Third Gens are not particularly rare since they built them for 10 years, and they are too new for enough to have gone to the bone yard to render the rest rare. Verts were very limited production. The installation of the roll cage you are talking about will destroy the look of the car. The rest of the modifications will pretty much destroy the value of the car. If the vert is restored to showroom condition and kept that way, it will only increase in value. If it has a decent body and interior now, it is worth much more than a coupe or t-top car in similar condition. It is probably worth 2 times as much as a coupe or t-top car right now in decent condition, presuming a coupe or t-top in similar condition to your vert. You are talking about taking a car that has the potential in the future of being as valuable as some of the first gen and early second gen cars are now, and permanently destroying not only its value today, but making it impossible for it to ever have any value. Keep your vert stock, and restore it. If you want a car to mod, look for a coupe with a decent body to build. The coupes are cheap, and the body is a lot stiffer than your vert will ever be without value destroying modifications.

I'm not really worried about the future value of the car... I will be building this car for me, not for a potential sale...

im sure... all camaro LS1's 98-02 got the 4L60E.. the 4L65E's were in some trucks and is consider'd an "upgrade" for Camaro's.. all GEN IV motors with auto's have the 4L65's... corvette (05+) GTO (05+).. ect.

some one must have swapped it in the one you worked on Don. I think the 4L80E also shares the same bolt pattern with the 4L65E..

what you really want is a 6L80E... the 6 speed auto with paddle shift found in the C6 corvette

OOOOOOOo

I wonder if anyone has converted that into a third gen!
That would be awesome

Hi, is your engine still available? I would like to buy 5.7 to swap my poor 2.8 V6. Though I am from EU I can arrange an overseas transport w/o problems.
Pls. reply to me slim.j@seznam.cz in case of yr. interest. Thnx Jiri Btw: I seek for manual 5 speed trans. to it too, any idea?
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Hi, is your engine still available? I would like to buy 5.7 to swap my poor 2.8 V6. Though I am from EU I can arrange an overseas transport w/o problems.
Pls. reply to me slim.j@seznam.cz in case of yr. interest. Thnx Jiri Btw: I seek for manual 5 speed trans. to it too, any idea?

Sorry, the engine and trans are both sold

i say if you have the money to do it then do it..i myself am going that way also i have 200.000 miles on my weak 305 tbi...when it comes down to something like this. just do what you want to each his own. plus if your not doing it for the money investment Purposes then do the ls1 swap.

It's been almost a year now.....
Like I said,, tell us how thrilled you are.

I still have a couple months haha. Well I am not "thrilled" at the moment mainly because it is not running yet. Also I am doing a complete restoration at the same time I am doing the swap. It would have been a lot easier if all I was doing was the swap but I'm replacing all of the suspension/repainting it/new interior/new top.... as well as swapping the engine/trans...

Right now I have pretty much everything purchased to make the car run. I have to do the wiring now. I must admit I have learned tons from this experience, and I can't wait to be driving it. Yes it is expensive, and every extra dime I have is going into it, but when it is done it will be worth it.

nice set-up

Its against board rules to flame another member

you have to admit he is doing it and doing it right. no hacked up job for him.
i thought about it but then said i have a 3rd gen camaro. if i had wanted a 4th gen i would have bought one new, like i bought this 90 i have.
the only 4th gen stuff i have in it are leather seats, and i just got the connector in so that i can finish putting them in and the new carpet too.
but i like the old iron engines, reminds me of working on old 283's, boring them out to 301 [or was it 302] and stroking them to 317 and then playing with that darn mechinacal fi, or 6 dueces or tri power. no computers, the good old days. ok i like the computer now, and i really dont mind the smog stuff. but i still want that iron engine klinking away in front of me.
but im over 60 so what do i know?

MAN YOUR CAR IS COMEING OUT VEREY NICE!!!! IS THIS YOUR FIRST TIME DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

Tsk, Tsk.....touch a nerve did we?

9 whole posts and already "On Probation"

That speaks volumes......

there are only a few people who are willing to go out of their way to help anyone, and dyno don is one of them.
you should lighten up on him. everyone has different experiences and the purpose of this group is to share, so that we can make intelligent decisions about our 3rd gen f-bodies.
lots of people have different opinions about the same topic, so getting different opinions is part of learning. most of the time it just means that there is more than one way to do something.
have some fun here, that is what it is for.

Thank you man, This is definitely my first time doing anything like this. I have painted cars, but never engine swaps. My buddy has been helping me also, he is more mechanically inclined than I am, but he has never done anything like this...

TGO has helped me a lot, and all of the supportive members give me motivation. Very rarely does anyone talk trash on what I am doing, in fact only three people have said anything negative to me.

It does look like it will be very nice, it's just nothing I would do.

My comments were never to trash what you are doing, I hope that is understood.

Good luck and keep us posted on the finished project.

Thanks

jonnybravo55


nice build.. its coming along pretty good.. check out my build btw..

.. cant compare the power and driveabilty of an ls1 ... its just a lot more comfortable

With the Ls1 installed, do you need to change to v6 front springs to keep the front end down or is the weight loss on the front somewhere between the weight of the small block and the v6? By the way, I just noticed while reading through this thread that you spoke of putting Spohn's sfcs on your vert. Did you get sfcsw for it, and have you installed them yet? I ask because I don't think the pohn sfcs will work in a vert. I think you need the Alstons that lon at Top Down Solutions sells. Had I noticed that post sooner, I would have let you know, but I just saw it just now.

I believe the V6 springs do help, so I did install them. Spohn makes a set of SFCs for the convertible cars http://www.spohn.net/shop/1982-1992-...ible-Cars.html but I have not bought them yet.

Thank you for the info tho.

thanks dynodon jr.!!!