Jason89RS

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I was passing by the DIAMOND HILLS AUTO GROUP, INC. in Banning yesterday and they had a brand spanking new silver 2010 Camaro sitting out front. Of course I had to stop and check it out. It was an V6 auto and had a sticker price of ....[drum rolls please] 40k which included the 10K dealer markup. It was a nice car, but damn I would rather pick up a used low mileage Z06 vette for less. The salesmen said they had someone that was interested in it and it would probably be gone by today. He also said they will be getting in an SS sometime next week and that the 2010's are starting to trickle to the dealers from the factory now.

third_genbowtie

now don't get me wrong i love the new camaro and the tremendous power it putts out. but lately i been thinking mustang camaro and the new challenger all have almost the same characteristics as one another. now check this, i would love to see a camaro concept that is influenced by the 3rd gen camaro
i think that would blow peoples minds (in a good way)

ps even the charger looks the same

calroc

Okay, dealer markup, 10K. I find it hard to believe that someone is willing to pay 40K for a V6 Camaro. Whether this 2010 Camaro is a one year production car or not, they stopped making F-bodies after 2002 because they weren't selling enough of them. IMHO, it is hard enough to sympathize with GM as it is. Dealers are struggling with the economy, and now some of them will mark up the new base model to the tune of 10K.
Good luck. The end of an era.........again, almost before it starts.

CBR1000RR

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My boss has a SS with a six speed on order. He said he should have it in about a week or two. He went and looked at the one in Banning Yesterday. Maybe I'll take some pics and post them when he gets his.

injdinjn

Thats where dealers cut their own throats. Dealer Markups.

They killed the GTO with these insane markups, and now the Camaro.
There are some real nuts out there that will pay almost anything to have one of the first.
There are even Camaro lovers defending the wheel weights on the Brembo brakes.

Guest

40k for a V-6.. This is why Gm is going Bye Bye.

Stephen

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GM Corporate should put a ban on the stealership markups.

Those are only going to hurt Camaro sales & the future of it is already in jeopardy before it got started!

tony_cogliandro

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its like everything looks like a honda. if i wanted a honda i would not buy a pretend one from detroit.
the 3rd gen has the looks of an old e jag - sleek and fast looking.
what they are putting out today reminds me of a prego rollerskate. is anyone here old enough to remember rollerskates - where you had a key to wrap around the tip to the front of your shoe?
well that is what it looks like.
the 4th gen was bad enough - but they at least tried to make it look like a camaro.

calroc

They did try to make it look like a Camaro....retro to a '69, as Ford did with the Mustang, and Chrysler did with the Challenger.
...and yes, I remember those roller skates with the narrow metal wheels. Made my first skateboard by nailing some to a board. Cornering was....well, maybe Mike could've made them turn.

Jason89RS

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Agreed

I guess the dealers figure since their lots are ghost towns, that if some sucker is willing to give them pure profit of 10k over the built in profit then why not. Remember car dealers have never been known to be the most ethical members of society either.

Just saw this one on craigslist in Lake Elsinore. For a rally yellow V6 with 6spd auto. This one has a more reasonable price of $33,460.
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/ctd/1143012259.html

Fyrstorm

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I dunno, even 33k US seems awfully high for a V6. There was an all black one at a dealership near me, black rims, blacked out headlights (or so it appeared), black grill. I didn't even stop cause it was the dealer that gave me an insulting offer on my trade in ($5000 for an '07 Caliber - at the time they were listed on autotrader for 12-14k) and shuffled me right out the door. They didn't even offer me another vehicle that might be in my "range" but at $5k trade I wasn't doing anything with them.

There are TWO GM/Chev dealerships in our town and the other one is much better. They are literally a few km's from each other.

Russ-So Cal

Unfortunately, anything G.M. does beyond publishing a "manufacturer's suggested list price" is classified as illegal price fixing. I think it is a federal law, not state. Back in the 1960's VW had a standard price for the beetle as well as standard prices for all of the factory options. The only area where the dealer had free reign to mark up was with aftermarket equipment such as Empi products. The government threatened VW with prosecution, and the company settled by paying some hefty fines with a promise to cease and desist the practice.

1987__GTA

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my dealership just got an rs in today, v6 auto, but it looked amazing. I'll wait a year or two probably before I even think of getting one. for the price they're at now, i'd rather get a z06.

Jon92TA

On Sunday Connell in Costa Mesa had 2 Camaros that sold that day. The salesman let us checkout the 2SS. It was pretty sweet and I’m liking it more and more all the time, but I just can’t see myself handing over $40k for one when I know I can have the same or better performance much cheaper in a 3rd or 4th gen. Gotta hand it to GM though for coming through with the car in these tough times, I think they did a really good job.


Pics from Connell. I left the window sticker large so you can download it for an easier read.

http://s104.photobucket.com/albums/m...%20May%202009/


Slideshow

http://s104.photobucket.com/albums/m...view=slideshow

1989GTATransAm

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Thanks for posting the pictures Jon. People say the car looks even better in person.

1987__GTA

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Definately true. You really appreciate the improvement from the 4th gen in person.

86irocz350tpi

really? 10 k? The dealership near me is selling a black 6 speed v6 for $28,000.

JulieGTA

I agree they look better in person.
I still haven't come across one while driving though!

You kind of get a feeling when you see another muscle car on the road. You know? Even if its a mustang.
I didn't get that from the GTO. We'll see.

injdinjn

Why do Chevie stealers think they are selling Rolls Royces?

Driving by the local one stopped in to see if they had one. Yep a orange SS.
Side windows so small the window sticker has to go on the windshield, makes it look like a WWII armored car - high sides small windows.
Locked and the salesman would not unlock it, "too many people looking at it", so I have no idea what the inside looks like.
There was a extra sticker $350 car cover followed by $5000 no desc.

A real salesman would have tried to interest me in the car, instead he acted like I should have walked in with check in hand and said "I'll take that one".
Dummies

Highgeared

WOW! 40 big ones!!! Gulp. It's true they will sell, but nearly as many if they just lower the price.

What worries me the most is if the White House takes over GM they just may kill the Camaro and the Vette. Im honestly quite worried that given the current Detroit climate that the Camaro may be a 1-2 year only production car.

hot92RS

I agree that the challenger and the mustang have a similiar stance, but the best overall look is hands down the Camaro. I know that the prices will come down. In some of the mags it was saying that the V6 C. was priced under 25k. The dealers are fools if they think the people that supply their paychecks are going to go for this.

injdinjn

Obomba has already said that GM needs to build cars better fitted to the needs of the people and our environment. Lots of electric smart cars I guess.

I dont see the Camaro lasting more than 2 years if that with the Feds dictating GM policy.

Just before stopping at the Chevie dealer I saw a Challanger and the Challanger more resembles its original than the Camaro. The new camaro is a BIG car and the stupid dealers think they are selling something everyone wants - are they in for a surprise.

Kevin84Z28

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And the Challenger starts at a reasonable $21500 for the V6 SE. Althought the V6 Camaro whaummped the V6 Challenger by a ton. http://www.fquick.com/blog/2826

hot92RS

If what GM says about the car is true (28 mpg hwy, 304 HP), that more than fits projections for fuel economy goals set by govt for now, doesn't it?

injdinjn

its not electric or hybrid.

RED_DRAGON_85

if people would get their heads out of their asses, they would realize that electric cars and hybrids offer nothing but hopes and dreams wrapped up in a mask of environmental awareness.
i wont start on the tirade because thats not what this thread is about, but c'mon... really?

im still undecided on the 2010 camaro.
i might like it in person, but from pictures i have seen and videos, im not really impressed.
the problem is that they tried to recreate a 69 camaro, but instead, all they did was blow it up like a balloon and give it a "cowl induction hood"
cant forget the 21" wheels.
gotta have them 21" dubs...
the 18" steel wheels look better than the 21's do in my opinion.
more side wall, less skateboard look-alike
and yeah, id get a corvette for the money, if i was going to spend it...

Kevin84Z28

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Actually, some of the press releases about the developement of the 2010 Camaro quote a designer who said that GM wanted to steer clear of a 'retro' Camaro. He said that although there are some heritage features that hark back to the 1st gen era, they wanted the car to stand by itself and not be seen as a reproduction of any earlier Camaro, unlike the Challenger or Mustang that extremely resemble the earlier cars.

TPI

I couldnt agree more, but the 2010 car isnt a 3rd gen, our cars
look good with meat! Thanks for posting pictures Cali guys, seriously.

BretD 88GTA

Cars were probably already on the assembly line when they discovered the problem. They aren't going to stop the line, so the wheel weights were a quick way to solve the issue. They'll probably address it better on the next production run.

JMR

just saw a fifth gen on the street, i did not have a single clue regarding its trim i just know it was yellow; not very impressive in my opinion but granted we where both driving.

moving along, add a few extra Ks to the 40 if ASC goes through with this

the possible new trans am.........here is the article
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/05/07/a...vrolet-camaro/

ROCFATHER

I actually wanted one when I first saw it at the LA autoshow in 06. But everyone I know wants the new Camaro!!! I would wait at least 2-3 years if they stay in production. I give them about 5 years and GM will stop making them. I really like the Challenger more then the mustang tho. I saw a really cool orange with black stripes (2) of them sitting on a lot. Dont know how much,, but it reminded me of the general lee from dukes of hazard. I might stop just to see.

CBR1000RR

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ColinOpseth

It's against the law for GM to fix prices by preventing dealer markup.

Stephen

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In the case of the government bailing out GM, I think that should qualify as something along the same lines of a "national disaster", in which price gouging is illegal.

Tpx

I love camaros, but I hated the fourth gens, and this fifth gen looks horrible. First, second, and third look GREAT, but after that = downhill.

You know they had an asian guy design the body of the car?? wtf, an american muscle car (wannabe) designed by an asian? I'm no racist but with all the asian designed cars running around with T's and H's glued to the body I can really see the relationship between this new fifth gen styling and other asian cars. Where the hell is the guy who designed the third gen? He did something so DIFFERENT from either of the previous camaro versions that he should have gotten this job if they wanted a "standalone" styled camaro.

Not to mention this is NOT a "muscle car" at all, it's a sports car. Very different things here people, muscle cars are cars that were made '92 or before, newer cars are certainly more "sports" cars than muscle. When you make the car look like a freaking jelly bean just like every other new car nowadays, you turn me off to it instantly. There is NO saving grace for this car, and the only place it belongs is in collectors garages in my opininon.

The new challenger gets props by me for staying true to it's roots and actually looking like it's other versions, definately NOT a jelly bean body. The new mustang is just a chicks car with the illusion of being a muscle or sports car. The new camaro? It's just a sad attempt to continue the line of great camaro generations that preceeded it, that greatness stopped by mid 90's if you ask me.

As for dealerships and their markups, I've bought four cars since I got my license and none of them have been from a dealer. Private sellers are the only people who (mostly) ask realistic prices that reflect current demand and economic status and that reflect the real value of the car being sold. Dealers just create a middle man to make you pay more, they are not necessary nor are they wanted by most. The exception here are girls and people who care about warrentees, who, no offense, just don't seem to care as much as gearheads or greasemonkeys do about the performance vs price ratio or dependability vs. enjoyability ratios.

That's my very long 2 cents

Jon92TA

I took a very brief test drive in a 2SS last weekend and I think it's a pretty cool car. I didn't find anything that great or terrible about. I was disappointed in it's lack of power, it didn't feel very much stronger than my 305 T/A. But to be fair there were four guys in the car, the a/c on and the traction control was on. I'm sure it would have ran stronger otherwise.

It was comfortable and the oddly arranged dash controls wouldn't be too hard to get used to. But all in all I would more likely p/u a good used 'Vette for less than half the price of a new Camaro, and be $$$ ahead.

johnnyboy

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this can't be right. i've checked out a couple camaros at dealerships in western ny and a 1lt rs with the v6 and an auto trans prices didn't go over $28k

also, saw this at the local weekly cruise night on wednesday...

MY87LT

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I got the chance to stop by the local Chevy dealer after dinner Wed. and was able to check out the new Camaro. It was a 1SS. The engine compartment looked nice and clean. Was kindda disapointed that what looks like a ram air intake, was actually covered up. But...I am sure it will be functional eventually. The interior was ok. But it seems to me that our third gens have a lot more room on the inside. Other than that, it's a nice car. But not in that funky orange metallic they had on the lot.

KatsCam

OK, I am totally with you on the 3rd gen influence. How awesome would that be?!? I might plunk down that kind of money for a brand new one that was reminiscent of my Cam. <sigh>

It would need T-tops, though.

thegooseman

Well I think the car looks awesome. I love everything about it. Every time I go to Pep Boys in Burbank it gives me an excuse to go to the Chevy dealership right next door. Just looking at that car I get chills. If you look at Motor Trend's review of the car on you tube the SS did a 13 sec 1/4 mile with the manual and a 13.1 sec with the automatic. Right out of the box, that is fast. If I won the CA lotto this would be the first car I would pick up...actually the second. I would get the ZR1 first. lol

1989GTATransAm

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When Obama motors takes full control the Camaro will probably be dropped from production. The Dodge Challenger is probably on a short life span also. So get them while you can.

Guest

I'd be all over that.

hot92RS

Got news for you, Obama motors is already in full control. Not to sound political but GM would not be around except for the bailout which GM begged the govt for. Also, I would love to get one, in fact, I am taking donations from anyone who thinks I should "get them while you can."

injdinjn

I dont know, I really dont like the high door and low roof of the base car.
The front might work, maybe if the grille/light surrounds were body colored.

Reptarr

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sucks that pontiac's out of businuss, would like to have seen their firebird (

MY87LT

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They could have saved Pontiac for at least some specialty vehicles. A limited run of firebirds, soltices and the g8. Make them in limited numbers untill the company gets back on its feet.