How many times have been driving down the freeway when you see a complete pile of **** weaving in and out of traffic like their life depended on it? So here I am happily motoring down the 5 this morning when this toilet in a lime green 70’s Toyota Celica pulls up and revs on me. I actually had to roll the window down as ask this clown if he was serious but couldn’t because his exhaust was so loud. It sounded like an open exhaust manifold. So this **** starts weaving across lanes in front of me in an effort to get my attention. This is when I noticed his exhaust sparking and bouncing off the ground. No sooner do I crack open the throttle to get around this fool, his complete exhaust system comes loose and slides into my lane. 18 wheeler on my right, 15 passenger commuter van on my left, deep in the throttle, and a complete exhaust system in my lane and headed my way. Here is the point when you are forced to accept that (1) this is bad, (2) this is going to hurt, and (3) skill set aside, damage to your vehicle is imminent and you have milliseconds to determine where you want the impact to be. Luckily, the driver of the van sees what is happening, panics, and goes deep into the brakes. As soon as he starts dropping back, I jump into his lane in an effort to avoid hitting the exhaust system. I was able to avoid the muffler, but caught the cat with my front passenger wheel. It sounded like someone hit the bottom of my car with a 10lb sledge. Get the car straightened back up and now I’m going to put this ****er in the wall when I notice the car is pulling to the right and hard. He was to far away to get his plate number but I will never forget the car or the driver. I can only pray that we cross paths again. So I pull into the emergency lane to see how bad the damage was and the tire was flat, or so I thought. Jack up the car to pop on the spare and what’s this? A cracked ****ing wheel!!! RRRRRRRRR!!! Please let me find this tool!

File a police report. A Lime Green car shouldn't be TOO hard for them to spot.

I am sorry to hear about your misfortune! I once had an Idiot not strap his ladder down on his pick up... It flew off in front off me on the E-WAY and I did some off roading on the birm of the E-Way! Not cool! I understand your anger... Good luck!

Thats what you get for having fancy rims!

I have some bondo and JB weld handy if you want to come over and fix it up. Plenty of spares around here if you need something to borrow... but not going to do you any favors for Saturday.

I've filed police reports here. I'm no environmentalist but the waste of paper from trees isnt worth the trip to the station, let alone the time, gas, and electricity used for them to enter the information into their worthless computer system. Even with a name, license number (both vehicle and person), address, phone number... they wont do a thing about it.

I would have found him and rammed his car off the road!

yeah id pull out my silverado and put on the snow plow (even thoughy our in Calli) and just drive in the interstate all day until his dumba$$ finally drove by. then its goodnight gracy for the ol antifreeze green car.

Man, that sucks. Is the wheel the only damage?

Even if you have his name address license number etc, the cops will do NOTHING.
I take that back, after you wait 3-6 weeks and hear nothing and call them, the cops will tell you that you have to get the police report. They will charge you at least $10, it will have all the info on the other driver, that you gave the cops, blacked out and when you ask what they are doing about this you will be told to leave the station house.
Im for mounting 30cal machine guns in the grill.

That suks mike. We have some rims and old tires here if you one.

Well. we can still meet and cuss this guy out some more.

I might add, my ex neighbors son in law had a crotch rocket and rode it like he stole it. One morning I NB on the 405 at the 73 and he having a conversation with a another motorcycle rider only the other guy has a gold helmet, radio, gun and ticket book. The next I was talking with him and the cop told him "Ive seen you 3-4 times but wasnt in a position to get you, but knew my day would come." Wrote him for 85 in a 65, just enough to require court appearance.

thats why you become a cop!! become a cop and trace his a$$ down and plant drugs in his car. then put his a$$ in jail. and on your cop car have a sticker that says "My other car is a Camaro" yeahhhh thats the way id do it jkjk lol

No thanks, I have a problem with hypocrites.

Damn sorry to hear that. Hope your A arm and/or K member weren't damaged with a hit like that.

That guy sounds like a tool and a half. Even though I hate added gov't your experience is one of the reasons I believe we should have safety inspections like the Europeans. Get these crappy unmaintained and unsafe vehicles off the road. Yeah I know never going to happen.

Tom & Chris,

I might have to take you up on your offer. I’d say it was no big deal because I would just drive my truck while the wheel is getting repaired, but my truck has been down for almost three weeks now (chewed up the spider gears) and I’ve been waiting for Don but he hasn’t had the time to help me. Normally I keep a set of 15” Z28 wheels around for situations just like this one, but I sold them a couple of months ago when I bought my truck. So I just might have to borrow a couple until I can get my truck fixed. Would you know of a reputable differential shop in the area that can get me in and out in a day and not pull my pants down in the process? Thanks for your help…

Differential shop? Nope. I can soundly NOT recommend Currie... not unless you want them to set up a gear with worn out parts.

My black car isnt being driven at the moment. I have 4 rims/tires you can borrow. They are not matching (2 and 2) and they kinda suck IMO but they work. If you want just one, can do that too. Just let me know.

Im not sure what we have in the shed, Im sure there must be something that will fit.

Yeah, the LA freeways are a bitch to drive on when your driving your baby. Too many dumb f**** on the streets. No offense but the asain drivers make me wanna take my 22 and blast them right before they even get on the on-ramp. I cant tell you how mayn I've been close to wrecking becuase of theoe dam clowns.

That is really sad Mike, those are some really awesome rims.
I don't know of any lime green 70's celicas but if I come across one, I'll give them your regards or at least get plate info.

Hopefully you picked up the exhaust so you could salvage the cat to help pay for the repairs and then take the rest of his fart can exhaust out and use it for target practice.

Aw, not THOSE wheels!!! Mikey, that just SUX!! That dude needs to come out tomorrow morning and find the mangled remnants of his exhaust system sticking out of his (broken) windows.

TA

That's why you just let them pass, don't crack the throttle, don't take the bait. Just keep driving and ignore them, no offense intended, but if you had just kept going and not tried to pass you probably could have avoided the exhaust system all-together.

The freeway is not the place to mess around.

You get egotistic asses like that all the time, just let them go, it's not worth the trouble of an accident or a ticket.

dude sorry to hear that man, must really f-u-c-k-i-n-g suck i hate lames that think they got it all in a can of tuna.

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for feeling my pain. Turns out the tire is trashed as well so looks like I’ll have to spring for some new rubber I addition to the wheel repair. Funny thing is that I had a driver side blowout on the same freeway in roughly the same area only on the other side of the freeway last week. So it looks like a pair of new front tires were in the cards anyway…

That exhaust could have gone anywhere.Including straight back if he had decided not to go around.

Sucks hard bro.Think youll getter fixed by ACH day?PM sent.

And had he been going slower instead of trying to pass he could have avoided it by either braking or swerving, almost any accident is avoidable (unless someone hits you) if you're going at a reasonable speed.

He had the advantage, he was watching the car, had he been going a reasonable speed he could have avoided it. It's not like the exhaust came out of no where.

PM sent

Great 20-20 hindsight for someone who was not there.
I dont know your driving ability but I know GG's and 99% of the other drivers on the road would not have missed as much of the exhaust as GG did.

Swerve where!
Somebody(unfortunately) was bound to run over it.
He just as easily could of been behind that driver & still run over it!
Or worse get hit by the flying projectile.
Where did that exhaust ricochet after he ran over it?
There's no way to predict the outcome.

it was a joke. damn god forbid somebody try to have some humor on this site.

lol i dont mean to "police" you as you call it but dude, go away.

You're missing my point entirely. Under the circumstances in GG's situation had he been going slower and not trying to pass, his chances of avoiding the exhaust would have been much greater.

I'm not talking about the car behind him or the car beside him, I'm referring to his car.


Yes, it's true there is no way to predict the outcome, that can be said for many things. However, in situations like that if he had been going slower the chances of missing or avoiding the exhaust would be in favor of the driver because he would have more time to react accordingly.

Obviously you did not read his description of the events properly.

And yes, he could have been going slower - parked in his garage. DA

1st of all, I am referring to all of this in a matter of probability and chance.

Second, I am quite sure of the sequence of events that occured.

Feel free to follow along.


If you read this you will learn that GG was cruising along with the idiot trying to get his attention in front of him and at that point GG "cracks" the throttle.

Now this can be a bit ambiguous in a semantic sense that the word "crack" could refer to a small amount or actuation (in this case it would be the throttle) but if you continue to read you'll realize that he says he has two cars on either side of him and he's "deep in the throttle" which halts any previous thoughts that "crack" could refer to a small actuation of the throttle.

This is where we can begin to decipher this and fit it into my argument.

Had GG not "cracked" the throttle and sped up to pass it can be stated that he would in fact be going at a slower, safer speed correct?

Thus if he was going at a slower, safer speed he could have either swerved or braked to avoid the exhaust system.

I assume your rebuttal against my argument will be the fact that GG stated that he had an 18 wheeler on one side of him and a van on the other, but what you also must realize is that he was "deep in the throttle" at this time. And had he not been "deep in the throttle" he would probably be behind either the van or the 18 wheeler, unless they sped up with him and paced him at the same time he "cracked" the throttle. And had GG been going slower he could have gotten behind the van or 18 wheeler and escaped damage all together.


I think you just needed to read the facts a couple times more, it's okay
everyone makes mistakes.

Back to the O.P., damn dude, that really sucks. I have had a couple of run-ins with objects falling off of vehicles so I feel your pain. Here's to a speedy and successful repair.

Allow me to retort my little 19 year old prodigy…

First and foremost, attempting to argue the particulars of a series of events that you did not experience/witness first hand is not only laughable, it’s pathetic. Furthermore, to say that you are “referring to all of this in a matter of probability and chance” and then to immediately contradict yourself by saying that “I am quite sure of the sequence of events that occurred”. You are living and breathing proof that once again our public school system has and is continuing to fail the youth of this great nation of ours… You are the genuine article! You are the epitome of an idiot!

Ok sweetheart, grab your crayons and construction paper. Now try and keep up, I’m going to take you down a road of fact and actuality because I and the majority of human beings on this planet have never had the privilege of living life through “probability and chance”.

Fact: You were not there.

Fact: You do not know me and I do not know you so how could you possibly elaborate on the particulars let alone the very definition/proposed meaning of my vernacular. I guarantee you and I do not use the same “slang”. So your really bitchin attempt at deciphering my urban slang has only proven my point and that is your intellect is as weak as puppy piss.

Fact: Monday-Friday traffic on the northbound 5 freeway between Harbor and Euclid in Orange County consistently flows 35-40mph between 10-11AM with the exception of an occasional accident which would bring the freeway to a complete haut. This can be verified by any of the members that live in Orange County.

Fact: Vehicles traveling at 30-40mph travel in a much closer proximity than vehicles traveling at the maximum posted speed limit which in this case is 65mph. “if he was going at a slower, safer speed he could have either swerved or braked to avoid the exhaust system.” Pouring on negative acceleration in this particular situation would have placed the vehicle behind me in my trunk given the close proximity. But how could you know that? You weren’t there! Oh, and “swerving” at 35-40mph is called trading paint with the vehicle in the lane next to you. So once again your intellect and life experience has net you some additional idiot points!

Fact: I am a surgeon with my car at any speed and have been forced to negotiate circumstances far more difficult than this one. So for you to not only attempt to critique my actions, but make suggestions on how I could have avoided it is comical!

I don’t know who you think you are, or what you think you know but I do know this. In the 8 years that I have been on this board, you are without a doubt the most ignorant mother****er I have ever had the displeasure of experiencing. You don’t know me, so don’t attempt to advise me. I’m sure there are things you have expertise in like chronic masturbation, collecting stickers for your helmet, and licking the windows while riding on the short buss.

Now comes the friendly advice! Do not respond to this post because if you do I will destroy you. Believe me when I say that you are no match for me. Learn from your mistake and govern yourself accordingly.

Yes, we probably do not use the same form of "slang", besides that the semantics behind your "Slang" usage suggest you were speeding, as I argued above. So I'm not sure where you see that I proved that my "intellect is as weak as puppy piss" please enlighten me.


You obviously didn't read my previous post, otherwise you would understand the point I made. I'll restate it. You were "deep in the throttle" when you hit the exhaust system, I'm pretty sure we can all agree on that as a fact. Thus you were in fact, GOING FASTER than the cars around you, the van, and the 18 wheeler to be specific. How fast? Well since you stated above that the average car travels along at 35-40 MPH and you were "deep in the throttle" at this time we could probably say anywhere from 45-65, probably somewhere right in the middle around 50, because last time I checked, though they're L03's, they don't take much time to accelerate from 35-50 miles an hour, 3, 4 seconds maybe. So if we can safely that you were indeed traveling at ~50 mph we can also say that you were passing other cars at a considerable speed, given there average 35-40 MPH pace.

Now you need to pay attention, it may be a bit difficult for you to grasp because of your blind rage.

If you had NOT been traveling at this "accelerated" speed, if you will, compared with other traffic, you would have had much more time to react, I'm not sure how big of a difference 35-50 MPH in seconds makes but it's a couple of seconds, all it takes to react, either brake and swerve behind a car or ease on the brakes, anything to avoid it.

What you have to understand here is, no, I'm not trying to insult your driving style, which you have so bravely and fiercely protected. I am merely stating that had you been going slower, you would have had a better chance of avoiding the exhaust system, NO, I'M NOT SAYING YOU WOULD HAVE 100% MISSED THE EXHAUST. I am saying you would have had a greater chance of missing the exhaust had you been traveling at a slower rate of speed, ask a cop, insurance accident agent, whatever, they'll tell you the same thing.

This is why cops give tickets for speeding.


Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were such a great driver, it's just too bad RCR and Hendrick aren't at your house with offers, and you're stuck here on these forums

If you'll notice in my first post, I was very subtle about telling you that had you not been speeding, you could have avoided the exhaust system, but you jump on me as if I was yelling "F*ck you!, you're an idiot, learn to drive, learn to f*cking drive!" Why is there a need to get so defensive? And so what if you've been on these boards for eight years, you have no more rights than I have, we're equal on here, just because you've been here so long doesn't mean your word is law, or that your actions are perfect.
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Yep, CA schools are in the top five for spending/student and the bottom 10 for intelligence/student. Even Mississippi produces smarted students than CA.
Whats bad, is some of them think they are smart.

Child, the mere fact that you are attempting to utilize hypotheticals as a basis for your pathetic little argument (of which you know absolutely nothing because YOU WERENT THERE) clearly demonstrates your lack if intellect ergo your intellect is weak as puppy piss. You see, you lack the ability to utilize critical thinking before coming to a “conclusion” and as a result of your compromised intellect we are forced to wade through you’re paragraphs of senseless banter. I know that this is the most interaction you’ve had with actual people in what I can only imagine to be the majority of your teen life, but seriously…

LOL! You’re ignorant little *** isn’t significant enough to manifest rage! You’re ****ing hilarious! The amount of conviction you convey in your babble is almost religious. Get over yourself kid, tools like you are a dime a dozen.

You are absolutely correct! We have the exact same rights on this message board. Which is why each and every time you attempt to take a position of authority over a set of circumstances that you know absolutely nothing about, I will be here to remind you of just how insignificant you and your bullshit is/are.

Your move sweetheart…

CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!

Both of you.....Go to your rooms & don't come out until you can play nice!!!!!!!!!

You're extensive driving knowledge is really showing here. If traffic is flowing at 35-40 MPH there is no way you're going to get up to 50 for any length of time, so no he wouldn't have be passing cars at considerable speed. He had probably accelerated to safely change lanes in front van. If you had more than 3 years of driving experience you'd know that being safe isn't always about hitting the brakes anytime something occurs in front of you. Sometimes you have to accelerate to be safe and sometimes you have to brake to be safe depending on the surrounding environment. Neither you nor I were there so we are just guessing at the conditions and really no one likes a Monday morning quarterback. GG sounds like he was boxed in by the van and the big rig which left him no exit strategy. He realized this and accelerated to change lanes which would put him in a safer position with more exit strategy's as well as away from the idiot driver in front of him. By your insistence that slowing down would have saved the day....I doubt it. He probably would have still been boxed in and the same outcome would have occurred except GG would have had more time to watch it occur.

I would have to disagree again. If you told them the whole incident they would have probably agree with GG. That moving away from the problem was the best way to handle the situation. It was just unfortunate timing that the exhaust broke loose when it did.

You fail again here. Cops give tickets for exceeding the maximum posted speed limit. They also can cite you for driving faster than is safe for current conditions. For example, if you are driving 45mph in a 55 mph speed zone during a dense fog, you could be cited for driving “too fast for conditions.” If you've ever driven on the 5 at the times GG noted, you'd know that unless you're driving on the shoulders or trying to weave in and out of traffic (which neither is the case here), then he wouldn't have been exceeding the maximum posted speed limit or be driving faster than was safe for current conditions.

Here's a link to the California Drivers Handbook http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/driver_handbook_toc.htm. You might want to check out page 13, it gives some interesting statics about "professional" drivers between the ages of 15 and 19. Statistics such as:
"Nearly half of the drivers between ages 15 and 19 years old are convicted of a traffic violation in their first year of driving."

"Your risk of an injury accident is three times higher than the average driver."

There was no need to result to swearing just to swear, that was uncalled for. You're the one that initiated the driving critique, so you should have been prepared for the rebuttal. His point was that he's been a member here almost three times as long as you've been driving. Again no one likes a Monday morning quarterback especially when their car has been damaged and they are just posting to vent.

Damn you'll reply to anything...anywhere.

Sorry, you're wrong boy, you're saying GG "Accelerated to avoid the situation", because "Sometimes you have to accelerate to be safe". No, he accelerated to PASS the car, not to avoid the exhaust, as a result he was "deep in the throttle" when the exhaust system broke off and landed in his path.

Get your facts straight kid.




I'm sure they would not agree with GG, he was speeding up to pass a car that wanted to race him, to the driver that was "Taunting" GG that looks like a challenge accepted, find a cop that will say GG made a good decision in trying to pass that guy, see what he says. He should have have sped up to pass the car, as simple as that.




No, you're the one that's failed, you misunderstand what I am saying, cops give tickets in response to people speeding, WHICH CAUSE ACCIDENTS. If speeding didn't cause accidents it wouldn't be illegal. I'm sure there's some statistic that proves that if you're travelling at an excess of speed you are x times more likely to get in an accident.




Are you serious? Are mentally impaired to a point of which you cannot read the entire paragraph that I posted? Do you suffer from ADD and your mind goes to the swearing part only?

If you read what I said you'll realize that I said "It's not LIKE I was saying".

Learn to read something completely before you jump to conlusions.

hmm and if the traffic is so bad that you're going 30-40 mph, chances are he was boxed in. so if he was going slower, then slammed the brakes, not only would his front end have had some damaged, he quite possibly have been hit from the rear, depending on who was behind him + the condition of their brakes.

Little? Heh, I'd like to meet you.

And it's quite obvious you're angry, otherwise you wouldn't be resulting to the usage of swear words.
Tool? The babylon english dictionary defines tool as:
Tool (insult)
The word "tool" may be used as an insult, describing someone who is being used by an establishment willingly (as a sycophant), or unwillingly (as one who blindly conforms).

Now please explain which establishment am I willingly, or blindly being used by? Which establishment am I spewing my rhetoric forth on behalf of?



I am not taking a position of authority over any set of circumstances, I am merely voicing my opinion.

It sounds like you don't like being told you're wrong, or that your actions were wrong. Well sorry to break it to you, but I believe you're wrong, you should not have sped up to pass the car, you should have let him go, it would have probably saved you a lot of trouble. I honestly can't be the only one on here the feels the same as me, but I'm the only one that will tell you so and because of that you've come down with surprisingly ferocious rebuttal, admist that a string of immature and uncalled for insults that are not only false but are also an example of stereotyping.

Why is it so difficult to have an argument without getting so heated? Why can you not just maintain your calm and leave the insults at home? There is no need to get so heated.

Once again someone else fails to realize he was "Deep in the throttle" at the time that the exhaust system came off the car. So he was not going 30-40 MPH.

People please read posts in their entirety before posting.

and im saying that if he was going slower, which would have been the 30-40, he would have been boxed in. i was speaking on your "he could have avoided this if he went slower" thought.

he's going 30-40 with everyone else.
since traffic is moving slowly, people aren't paying much attention.
he slams his brakes (at 30-40), the exhaust system could have gone
head on.
if the person behind him was not paying attention, (which many people dont when they drive, and even more when its moving slowly) then the person could have hit his rear end.

i did read.
i went off on that "What if he was going slower" thought.
perhaps you should take your own advice and "read posts in their entirety"

Your post was very ambiguous, you never said that you were going of the "What if he was going slower" thought.

In that situation he would have had much more time to react to the exhaust landing in his path, whether his reaction being slowing down and swerving, swerving immediately if there's room, braking slowly to wait for room to swerve, you must understand that 35 is not a very fast speed, it doesn't take much to come to a stop, both for GG and the drivers behind him. We've all been cruising along and gotten a quick yellow light and had to slam on our brakes to avoid running a red. It's not like he would be traveling at 65 or 70 and cause an accident by braking.

My original post:
hmm and if the traffic is so bad that you're going 30-40 mph, chances are he was boxed in. so if he was going slower, then slammed the brakes, not only would his front end have had some damaged, he quite possibly have been hit from the rear, depending on who was behind him + the condition of their brakes.

and you're right 35 isn't a very fast speed, but its still enough to receive some damage from someone doing 35 into you. again him not getting hit all depends on if the people are paying attention, which with 30-40 mph, most people aren't.

you're right about him immediately swerving if there is room, but that all depends on the geography of the other vehicles at the time.

and now if he was to brake slowly, wait for a spot and swerve, that depends. the exhaust is moving at a certain speed, it isn't going to slow down if he slows down.
plus with the traffic and considering todays drivers (a**holes that are willing to cause an accident to move one car length forward) it wasn't a guarantee that a person would have moved over.
yes the van moved over, but the van wasn't where he was if he was going 30-40

its sad how oblivious drivers are
due to other cars, cell phones, ipods, makeup, and anything else the drives next to him in the *he was going 30-40 world* might not have seen the dreaded exhaust

Little boy I'm almost twice your age. You need to go back and reread and understand his post before spouting any more of your diarrhea. What he said was "No sooner do I crack open the throttle to get around this fool, his complete exhaust system comes loose and slides into my lane". He also said that he was boxed in by a van and big rig, so like I pointed out before he had to speed up to get ahead of the van and away from the idiot. In no part of his post did he say he was trying to pass the guy (he accelerated to PASS the car)......those are your words not the original OP's. I know speeding up to escape trouble is a difficult concept to grasp.


Yeah Yeah think what you want to try and justify your incorrect assumption anyway that gives you a warm fuzzy feeling.

I didn't misunderand anything. You're sometimes incomprehensible babbling is sometimes hard to decipher but he wasn't speeding so you fail again. The speed limit is 65, so if he only made it up to 50 then he was still under the speed limit.


I'm impervious to your high school attempts at put downs mental giant. If you're going to attempt to put someone down make sure that you have all your facts straight and your incoherent thoughts are coherently written out.

You sir are a true TOOL!
TOOL - One who lacks the mental capacity to know he is being used. A fool. A cretin. Characterized by low intelligence and/or self-steem.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tool

At what point did the OP say he was "deep in the throttle".Those are your words not his.Is that your interpretation of "crack open the throttle"?

Doesn't matter what the op was doing jackasses dropping the exhaust system on the road in front of you are not your fault. Bud of mine hit a refrigerator on the freeway and totaled his Roadrunner. Was cruising at legal speed behind a pickup truck full of household items and the truck bounced and the refrigerator dropped right in the road in front of him. Couldn't stop and traffic on both sides meant he couldn't dodge either bang crunch classic Roadrunner gone. The truck didn't even stop.