Jeffs82TA

I am planning on selling my 82 trans am but don't want to deal with smog issues. Is it just better off to sell it out of state or send it to the bone yard? Or are there ways around not having to smog prior to sale to a california resident? It's smog issues are blue smoke out the tailpipes but it is a nice car other then that.

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Russ-So Cal

You can probably write up a contract that the buyer would sign stating the the buyer would be responsible for smog. Expect that the price would go down accordingly. Since it is a 1982, it probably isn't worth a lot anyway. If it is in decent shape, homas Cox might be interrested in buying it, but I suspect he mostly buys efi cars. He parts them out, so if the body and interior are decent you might contact him. He is listed in the "Third Gen Freindly Companies" stickie at the top of this board as "House Of Camaro". You could also try parting it out yourself, or sell it to a junk yard. I think a junk yard will probably pay something like $100.00 or so if they don't need to come and pick it up.

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Jeffs82TA

The car does have efi and is actually in very good condition. I just bought a corvette and don't want to spend anymore on this car is all. first with 1,000 can drive it home.

bungo78

Not 100% sure whut your askin? Does the car have current tags or non-op? Were you tryin to smog it before you sell it?

If you wanna sell it do so... It would be the buyers responsibility to do whuteva is necessary to get that bad boy legal...

I just sold my 92 rs on Sat. for a grand.. And as such, it was sold "as is" and the buyer is responsible for all matters after the fact...

But again, it tagged since Jan of '09, And it ran in great shape..... So the buyer had no smog worries for a year an a half... But again it's his responsibility at that point

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Jeffs82TA

its registered until febuary 2010. I drive it most everyday still but it needs quite a bit of mechanical work but nothing to complicated. This is it.

bungo78

Ayo...!

It looks pretty clean from that first pic you posted my man..... If a grand is all you want for it.. It shouldn't be too long till someone scoops yours up.

My RS wasn't as clean lookin as yours an it sold after 4 days with the 4-sale sign up on the rear...

Good Luck

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Again make sure when it's sold, you write or type on the bill of sale it's "as-is" and the buyers responsibility after transaction is complete

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Jeffs82TA

yes its actually a pretty clean car

webeeZ28

AS-IS works most of the time, but is not complete in California....

When a car is sold, who is responsible for the inspection?

The seller is required to provide the buyer with a valid smog inspection certification at the time of the sale or transfer. Smog certifications are good for 90 days from the date of issuance.
The inspection is not required on a transfer if a biennial smog certification was submitted to DMV within 90 days prior to the vehicle transfer date (a vehicle inspection report may be required for proof of certification).
Note: Smog certifications are not required for transfers that occur for any motor vehicle that is four or less model years old. (Determine the oldest-qualifying year model by subtracting three from the current year.) A smog transfer fee will be collected from the new owner.


To get around the California law you must clearly state in some form of receipt that along with the AS-IS sale, the buyer accepts full responsibility to get the vehicle to pass smog. If it is clearly stated that the buyer understands that they accept responsibility to smog the vehicle, then the person can not go after you in court. Just putting AS-IS doesn't fly in CA. For extra precaution, I would have the persons name printed and signed along with their DL #. That way they can't say that wasn't them or their signature. It worked for me. Good luck.

82FirebirdTA

You have a PM

Bullydawg

Are those Recaro seats? Those alone are worth a pretty penny.

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82FirebirdTA

They are PMD Viscount seats and were an '82 only option. The Recaro seats in '82 were in charcoal cloth only.

Red87SC

i bought my 87 trans am AS-IS and i went and got it smogged myself.. i paid $2100 and got myself a very quick car.

I had to get the car "passed" because of the intake but it passed on the sniffer.

Jeffs82TA

the car passed last years sniffer test with ease. I think it will only fail due to the blue smoke at startup is all.

the car original drive train and all electronics have been upgraded to 1990 stuff. it is currently a L98 with TBI and a 5speed. Basically I just see no sense dumping more money in the car since I bought another project car and a 4gen for my daily driver.

I would actually prefer the car go to someone who is interested in keeping it nice verses someone who is just going to trash it.

Jeffs82TA

heres a few more of this car. It should be worth 1K right?

bungo78

Well yeah....... lol! wasn't tryin ta get into all that, but basically yea.. There are loop-holes also, they also carry a waiver form you can ask for when talkin to an agent, and you state the facts of the car and the smog... The State just wants ya money..(broke)..


However your car looks as if it can command a bunch more than a grand. It would be a steal for that price.. Looks good

captain_camaro

blue smoke??
sounds like piston rings....just needs an engine rebuilt n it shoult be set..but im pretty sure ull let the next guy do the job
good luck!!

Stephen

TBI L98?

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Jeffs82TA

I did it this way because thats how the motor was already for one. The second reason it retained the stock air cleaner for an easier visual pass.

Jeffs82TA

This is correct, I have no intentions of dumping anymore money into the car. I have a 90 corvette project that I want to do verses fixing anything on this car.

Russ-So Cal

A puff of smoke on start up is probably worn valve guide seals. It may not even puff when it has not been shut off for very long. It is definitely worth more with a current smog certificate (less than 90 days before the sale). If it is just a puff, if you take it to the smog station and leave it running until it goes on to the dyno, the smog tech will shut it off to hook up his gear and do the visual. When he starts it up, he won't see the puff of smoke and if it passes the visual and the sniffer, you would be good to go. If that interior and exterior is as clean as it looks in the pics, you should be able to get $1500.00 to $2,000.00 for it anyway

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bungo78

Jeffs82TA

yeah thats pretty much what it does. however the shortblock does have high miles. The heads were re-done prior to the motor going in the car, I may just try smogging the car and park it for a couple of years or ebay it.

Last time it was smogged it passed the sniffer test with ease but failed the evap until a white plastic vent by the tank was plugged then it passed the evap. how do they go about testing for smoke on the smoke test?

Russ-So Cal

They just look for visible smoke while the engine is running. I'm not sure that they really "test" for smoke, they are just required to fail a car if it comes in smoking. It used to be that it didn't matter how much visible smoke was coming out the tailpipe. If the emission control equipment could clean up the exhaust, and it passed the visual inspection for all required devices being installed on the car, it passed. I suspect that when the AQMD started posting an 800 # for people to call to report polluters, they found too many "smokers" that passed smog when tested. If you want to keep the car, but either can't pass smog right now or want to store it while you are gone from the state, you can register it non-operational. You can't park a non-op car on the street, or even tow it to a shop or elsewhere except on a trailer (no dolly). If you register it non-op, you can legally cancel your insurance without having the insurance company report it to the state. Just be aware that once it is registered non-op, the state won't send you a renewal notice, but will impose penalties if you fail to renew your non-op on time next year. When you are ready to register it again, you do any repairs, pay the registration fee for the current year, and get a temporary operating permit to drive it on the street to take it for repairs and smog.

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Jeffs82TA

I will smog it then, yesterday I started it and it puffed a little smoke when it was first started then I let it idle for about an hour and never saw anymore smoke even when tapping the throttle a few times.

As for non-op I have a garage for the car so thats no big deal. Just thought I'de offer this "at least nice body" to one of you 3rd gen'ers would be a excellent car for a LT-1 conversion thats for sure.

Jeffs82TA

Russ I believe you have looked at the car once at a park in san bernardino.

Russ-So Cal

I probably did, but didn't remember it. I've been on most if not all of the Big Bear Cruises. It looks great in the pics you've posted.

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Burnout91

Where is the requirement "look for smoke" listed on on the visual / functional checklist? I don't see it on my test from October '08. If it's not on the list they can't check for it or fail you for it.

Bill

Jeffs82TA

I was wondering the same thing. I had my 4th gen smogged it I saw no mention of this on the actual test. Believe I had my 97 smogged about 2 months ago.

Russ-So Cal

It was a new requirement passed by the State Legislature that went into effect on Jan , 2009 along with the requirement that all new cats installed on California cars after Jan 1, 2009 had to be of the 2 stage OBDII type. If you had a smog test done before Jan 1, there is nothing on the test requiring the technician to fail you for smoke, only failure to pass visual inspection or failure to pass the sniffer test.

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Burnout91

So, the 'new' functional / visual checklist has a check item 'look for tailpipe smoke?' And, if so, what is the definition of 'excessive smoke?'

Bill

lonsal

If this were true the state of CA would save a lot of money. The state continues to send a reminder to register your non-op vehicle annually when the registration is due. I have a stack of them for my 88 IROC and HILO trailer which are both on non-op status.

Lon

bungo78

I too recieved non-op notices for my 92 RS when it was down... Otherwise I would have forgotten an the state wouldn't be broke (mis-managed that is)...

Adrian

LAFireboyd

Once you non-op a car, it stays non-op until you decide to register it again, no matter how many years that may be. You don't have to keep non-op'ing it year-after-year. The DMV will continue to send renewal notices each year, showing the new renewal rate, and no penalties will have accrued. You'll only pay the current renewal rate for whenever you renew.

But here's a tip for people renewing a non-op car... if you decide to register a non-op car, don't do only a couple of months before its normal renewal date, because you'll have to pay renewal fees for the current registration year, and then you'll have to pay fees for the new year, a month or so later. For example, if your renewal is due in April 2010, but you're ready to get your car on the road in January or February 2010, if you renew in Jan. or Feb., you'll be paying the renewal fees that were due in April 2009(no late fees for that year are applied), and then you'll be hit-up for renewal fees again a couple months later in April 2010 on your regular renewal date. So bring a car out of non-op status ON your regular renewal date/month, to avoid paying for two years-worth of registrations fees.

Regarding penalties and no further renewal notices, this has nothing to do with non-op cars. This occurs when you pay the registration fee, but you never get the smog test, thereby never completing the registration. Perhaps at the time you were thinking, "the fee for this car isn't much money, so rather than non-op it, I'll pay the full fee on time, to avoid penalty fees later, but I'll get it smogged later-on to complete the new registration." And if you don't complete it by your next renewal date, THAT'S when the DMV will no longer send annual renewal notices. Their records will reflect that you never registered your car the previous year, but you didn't non-op it either, so it will be considered an open/pending and late registration, and they will be accruing penalty fees, even though you paid the fee on time. Then when you eventually attempt to complete the registration, or pay the fees for the next operating year, you'll have to go into a DMV location(because you'll have received no renewal notices in the mail), where you'll say, "HOW MUCH?! I paid the fees on time so I wouldn't have any penalties to pay later."

But no worries, you won't be held accountable for those late fees, and it's easily correctable(remember, at a DMV location, not by mail). And it will help if you have the papers they gave you when you paid the fees initially, so they can find the record of the transaction in the system. Then they'll go into the system and manually erase all the accrued penalty fees, and all will be well.

As for getting temporary operating permits, that has changed recently. The permits aren't as easy to get as they used to be, and the fee for them has gone up A LOT. I'm not exactly sure what the new procedure is, I'm just saying if you're thinking about these permits, look into it, because there is a little more "red tape" involved now than there used to be.

And regarding the original topic, the seller is, technically and legally, ALWAYS responsible for smogging a car he's selling. It's a law that's there to protect the buyer from the chance of getting stuck with A LOT of repair bills for getting his 'new' car street-legal. That said, the DMV doesn't care who takes care of the smog test, as long as it's taken care of.

injdinjn

If you can go to AAA. Much easier, more customer friendly and knowledgable persons there.

Russ-So Cal

Thanks, good info. I was told by another club member that if I registered my car non-op, that the renewal notices would stop. The recent non-op on the T/A is the first non-op I've ever done. Glad to hear that I will receive renewal notices. The biggest advantage to the non-op that I see is that you can then cancel the insurance on an inoperative car without having the insurance company notify the state that your vehicle is not insured.