Guldstrand vs adams shootout '82 - Third Generation F-Body Message Boards

blyth18md · 03-13-2006, 06:53 PM

I just recieved a copy of this magazine hot rod july 1982. This was a shootout between the major aftermarket players back in the day. **** Guldstrand had a Z28, Herb Adams a Trans Am, Bill Maier a Mustang and Russ Harness a Capri.

Suspension modification couldnt cost more than $1000, and they all ran on the same tires.

Well the Z28 won all 4 categories. Slalom, 80-0 braking, Road course (willow springs), and 200ft skidpad.

Here are the mods done to the Z28, I can scan the shootout! article too if theres enough interest.

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blyth18md · 03-13-2006, 09:27 PM

heres the shoot out article. Mods I know this is over the limit but theres a lot of good tech in these articles. If you can get the mod to move them to the mainpage that would be fine too

SDIF · 03-13-2006, 09:27 PM

Thanks! This is great.

I would love to see the whole artical along with the results from 1982.

I would like to see how far we have come.

blyth18md · 03-13-2006, 09:41 PM

well I was going to try to edit my first post and attach more readable versions but since I cant hear are those too.

railroad · 03-14-2006, 12:09 AM

That brings back memories. I completely forgot about that car. I have actually ridden in it with my father driving.

This shootout took place in '82, I was a GRA team member from '87 to early '93 and got to know Grant Byers well. Grant was a test driver for both Goodyear tires and Monroe shocks and a GRA member as well.

**** Guildstand (person friend of my father's for best of 45 years now) has heard rumors from my father of my Camaro that has turned 1.07 g's on street tires but I have not taken it up to his shop in the valley for him to ever see it. (quite a haul for me 75+ miles of traffic on a good day in L.A.- he is no longer down in Culver City on Thunder Alley).

The only reason that car pulled those #'s with those little modifications is it was a brand new car with no chassis fatigue or componant fatigue. Put those same parts on a 24 year old car and it will drop a few g points.

blyth18md · 03-14-2006, 11:20 AM

Do you have any idea If this is the same car that he ran in 82 and 83 at the nelson ledges events? Is the car still around and in one piece? Would be nice to know what happened to it after the article.

railroad · 03-14-2006, 11:53 AM

I have no idea. **** has had so many vehicles in his shop over the years that make that car pale in comparison (Greenwoods Vette, even Arnold Swartsineggers(sp?) Hummer- hundreds of cars. I just recall this because my father was so sceptic about a Camaro out cornering most factory Vettes at that time so **** let him take it around the block. I remember him saying something to the point of it was no racecar, but it did handle fairly well- very well for a street car of the time. History has always shon everyone sceptic and worried about some other car outperfoming the factory Corvette with minimal modifications (or even no modifications as the example of the '89 TTA)

The car really isn't anything special RPO wise of even collectors wise even if you did find it.

Bit of trivial most people do not know about **** Guildstand- He was the first professional driver Roger Penske ever hired to drive one of his race cars. Also, **** and Bob Bondurant along with one other fellow took the first '67 bigblock Grand Sport Corvette over to LeMans to race. He never really made a name for himself as a driver, but more of a crewchief for the actor James Garner when he got into racing Corvettes.

coolram62 · 03-14-2006, 09:04 PM

This article does bring back memories.Thankyou so much Blyth for sharing.It shows what the 3rd Gens were capable of new,and what can be done to bring one back.I'm going to have to go thru my old magazines I may still have it.And Railroad the fact you actually road in her and even more your Dad knows Mr.Guldstrand is really cool.
And I sent Kurt & Derek(kboehringer)a link to this thread.They will love to see it because Derek's '82 is identical to her color wise.

IROCZTWENTYGR8 · 03-15-2006, 04:51 AM

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Originally posted by railroad
The car really isn't anything special RPO wise of even collectors wise even if you did find it.

This is very wrong. That would definetly be a collectible car. There is also a rumor that this car was the first production Z28 sold to the public. Do I believe it at this time? Not really, but any car that's been in a magazine or that did something spectacular for it's time is worth taking a second look at. Any mint Third has potential as a collectible, who knows if it still is though.

railroad · 03-19-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by IROCZTWENTYGR8

This is very wrong. That would definetly be a collectible car. There is also a rumor that this car was the first production Z28 sold to the public. Do I believe it at this time? Not really, but any car that's been in a magazine or that did something spectacular for it's time is worth taking a second look at. Any mint Third has potential as a collectible, who knows if it still is though.

If I recall he never owned the car. It was a GM prototype of the IROC that he and GM had put together and lent/sponsored him for a racing campaign. I think it was the car they painted bright yellow and ran at Nelson Ledges that caught fire. It started life as a basic Z28 and his testing with it help GM developed the IROC package later to come. I still do not believe it was anywhere near the first Z28. This one was basically aftemarket parts of what GM would later produce from the factory. It did not come factory prepped obyiously because of the nature of the challage story listed in the above article- it was altered to that state just like most cars on this website.

What is a "collectable car" in my opinion? A TTA. Unless the car is the first as you stated (even then its questionable unless its a desired performance car) then the only true collectable car is something rare in production #'s but well sought after regardless of any production # whether its the 3rd or its the 2783rd. The TTA is the only true "collectable car" of third gens that far exceeds the value of all other 3rd gen models in general sales today. If you owned the above Z28 and tried to sell it, nobody in their right mind would pay anything near what a TTA would go for.

Thats what I ment in my opinion above.

MurcoRS · 03-19-2006, 11:07 PM

I had this magazine and the PHR series from '83 with the Camaro Z28, Mustang GT, and Shelby Charger... Good memories!
I had a VSE suspension under my '80 Camaro with all of the tricks of the times (early 80's - Caprice 12" rotors and spindles, drilled drum backing plates, urethane body bushings, etc.) and my how far we've come! The one thing about the Herb Adams set-up was it required you to be a super-smooth driver with restrained inputs during transitions and braking had to suffer with the nose-dives the car would do with OEM springs. However, in constant-state cornering it would make your nose bleed!!!

BTW - Railroad - Is Traco still in business? I know Guldstrand used them alot for engines...