B&G Springs for road racing - please post every aftermarket spring rate you know - Third Generation F-Body Message Boards

S!MON · 12-04-2007, 04:25 AM

Hi,

I'm now searching for maybe 1h for an old thread.
I can remember that there were nearly all aftermaket spring rates...but it seems that the thread is gone, can't find it anymore!

Now my questions. My car will see race tracks like Hockenheimring or Nuerburgring Nordschleife in Germany so I need real stiff springs. I'm searching for stiffer replacement springs than the Eibach Pro's.

If I remember right I saw in the above mentioned thread that the B&G spring had something with 800lbs, was that right?
Also the Moog's with their 760would be interesting, but I've read alot of different part numbers for them. Who has got the right ones?

Now I've got cutted Z28 springs and they are too soft. but I like the ride height pretty much:

Greetings,

Simon

z 28 jari · 12-04-2007, 04:45 AM

Try Global West-> http://www.globalwest.net/camaro93.h...gs:%20(1982-99)

RBob · 12-04-2007, 07:56 AM

I would go with something such as AFCO springs with threaded adjusters. This way you can just buy the spring in the rate you need. And adjust the ride height.

RBob.

customblackbird · 12-04-2007, 06:59 PM

i dont think the moogs are 760lbs.... there was a post on this not to long ago and it stated that it must of been a mix up bc the next part # (since they go in order) is actually less in spring rate.... i think 650 or so, the moogs are a replacement spring and slightly higher in rate but its not 760, i would think 600-650.

blyth18md · 12-04-2007, 07:00 PM

yes, do a search for "weight jacks"

customblackbird · 12-04-2007, 07:02 PM

and does anyone know the rates of those gobal west springs????? i might wanna get stiffer ones over my sportlines esp in the rear!

some one needs to find out

Lonnie P · 12-04-2007, 11:40 PM

I have the Global West S-11's & they are supposed to be 800#

They definitely work well & I do not regret using them, although I must say it is a little harsh on bad roads.

Lonnie

S!MON · 12-05-2007, 02:26 AM

I'm a bit on a budget at the moment. So I'm looking for shocks in the 200-250€ range.

Does anybody know the spring rate of the B&G's?
Greetings,

Simon

customblackbird · 12-05-2007, 07:21 AM

lol dumb question.... B&G?? never heard of them

S!MON · 12-05-2007, 11:04 AM

@Lonnie: Do you also have the spring rates for the (competition) rears?
@customblackbird: http://www.b-gsuspension.com/products.shtml aftermarket like Eibach, Moog etc. I've read in an older thread, that they have about 800lbs but nobody can verify it...

Greetings,

Simon

I H8 WWD · 12-05-2007, 12:11 PM

I decided to call B&G to ask about their spring rates.

First Ill say I was told (but the guy wasnt 100% sure) that the front B&G are Linear springs meaning they keep the same spring rate throughout suspensions travel

Second the rear springs are progressive, meaning the spring rate actually gets higher as the spring is compressed

Now with that being said I was told that they make thier springs about 20-25% stiffer than STOCK springs.

So lets say stock is around 600, theirs would be around 720-750

NOTE: He also told me KYB seems to have the closest match to their springs in relate to best matching springs and shocks. BUT, he also said it might be best to go with an adjustable setup, such as Koni.

So can someone get the stock spring rate and compare with their numbers. Thanks

blyth18md · 12-05-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by I H8 WWD

I decided to call B&G to ask about their spring rates.

First Ill say I was told (but the guy wasnt 100% sure) that the front B&G are Linear springs meaning they keep the same spring rate throughout suspensions travel

Second the rear springs are progressive, meaning the spring rate actually gets higher as the spring is compressed

Now with that being said I was told that they make thier springs about 20-25% stiffer than STOCK springs.

So lets say stock is around 600, theirs would be around 720-750

NOTE: He also told me KYB seems to have the closest match to their springs in relate to best matching springs and shocks. BUT, he also said it might be best to go with an adjustable setup, such as Koni.

So can someone get the stock spring rate and compare with their numbers. Thanks

search the suspension forum for a post by me. I listed ALL of the available spring rates on third gens.

Lonnie P · 12-05-2007, 11:29 PM

Sorry, no rear spring specs for the Global West..... I used Strano's on the rear of mine.

S!MON · 12-06-2007, 01:54 AM

@blyth18md: do you mean your list with all the stock rates? I hoped to get the aftermarket spring rate list I was searching for so long.

@I H8 WWD: I looking for the Tokico Illuminas. Maybe the Konis are on top, but I think nobody will drive their adjustable shocks always on the hardest mode, so I think the Tokicos will do theit job pretty well. For example the Nuerburgring Nordschleife is very bumpy so you are forced to go a bit softer.

Anyways I think there is much more car control if the shocks have some space left for moving

Greetings,

Simon

I H8 WWD · 12-06-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by blyth18md

search the suspension forum for a post by me. I listed ALL of the available spring rates on third gens.

Will do. For my knowledge. Thanks.

I H8 WWD · 12-06-2007, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by S!MON

@I H8 WWD: I looking for the Tokico Illuminas. Maybe the Konis are on top, but I think nobody will drive their adjustable shocks always on the hardest mode, so I think the Tokicos will do theit job pretty well. For example the Nuerburgring Nordschleife is very bumpy so you are forced to go a bit softer.

What do you mean? I dont understand how you have this worded.

I want koni's because they are a well known brand, are actually lighter than stock shocks/struts, and are adjustable. I plan to drift and auto-X my Camaro on and off between the 2 all depending on what event is coming to town. So in that case and since this is my DD, I want to be able to adjust my suspension dampening whenever I can and get reliable adjustment. Also to find the best support for a Camaro's heavy ***...ha ha.

Tokico Illuminas: Good and adjustable.

91_5.7_TPI · 12-06-2007, 11:39 AM

I would say to get KONIs, determine what spring rate and ride height you want, and order a set of springs to please you. That's what I'm doing...going with Ground Control weight jacks with 750in/lbs front and 150in/lbs rear.

I H8 WWD · 12-06-2007, 02:10 PM

I think Im going to go ahead and buy B&G springs with Koni Adjustables

I found a place called www.SHOX.com

Well they have B&G Springs with Koni Sports as a package for $805. Second 1 down.

Im picking this up as soon as I can, but not until I get my swaybars and strut bars including a panhard and wonder bar.

Thanks for making me search for this, as I now have the perfect place to buy from. Good luck guys on your decisions.

91_5.7_TPI · 12-06-2007, 04:16 PM

Get the shocks and springs and install those. Talk about a wow factor. lol.

I H8 WWD · 12-06-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 91_5.7_TPI

Get the shocks and springs and install those. Talk about a wow factor. lol.

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scorchmaster · 12-06-2007, 04:58 PM

You can get custom spring rates from any company, I made a formula car and has 1600 lb springs made form eibach. But if you want a super stiff ride, just weld the shocks and struts lol

91_5.7_TPI · 12-06-2007, 06:23 PM

I just ment to install them first and then go for a drive. It'll be a huge difference. The rest of the stuff still makes a difference, but it's not as immediatly noticable.

S!MON · 12-07-2007, 01:50 AM

@I H8 WWD: Haha, I knew that was to much for my English

What I wanted to say was, that I also think, that the Konis are sure the best dampers we can buy for our cars. But they hardly cost twice as much as the Tokicos and there I dont't know if the difference in driving is worth 300 more bucks.

I've also heard that it is not possible to adjust the Konis with the wheel on!?! Can somebody verify this?
The Tokicos are adjustable on top with a screwdriver.

If it's true with the Konis, that would be a big pro for the Tokicos.

InfernalVortex · 12-07-2007, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by S!MON

@I H8 WWD: Haha, I knew that was to much for my English

What I wanted to say was, that I also think, that the Konis are sure the best dampers we can buy for our cars. But they hardly cost twice as much as the Tokicos and there I dont't know if the difference in driving is worth 300 more bucks.

I've also heard that it is not possible to adjust the Konis with the wheel on!?! Can somebody verify this?
The Tokicos are adjustable on top with a screwdriver.

If it's true with the Konis, that would be a big pro for the Tokicos.

I've got Koni SA's, just put 'em on last weekend and I'm LOVING them.

This should answer your question:

You have to remove the rears to adjust them, but removing rear shocks is super easy, you dont even have to jack the car up if you can reach the bolt with it on the ground.

S!MON · 12-07-2007, 07:04 AM

Ahh, ok. Then it was just with the rear shocks...where is the adjuster on them?

Then there is only the the huge difference in price and are the adjustable rears left...

I've got the big problem that I have to pay 200$ for shipping only the springs to Germany (and this is without toll and taxes

)

Why the hell must I drive an American car in Germany

... answer: German cars are boooring (exept of them nobody can effort)!
Greetings,

Simon

91_5.7_TPI · 12-07-2007, 01:46 PM

The rears adjuster is the shock rod (thing shiney part) itelf. There is a small button on top of the shaft (the larger, yellow part). You press this down, hold the rod and twist the shaft. But that's after you remove the shock.

While KONIs are the good, they aren't the best. A set of Penkses will cost you in the $3000 dollar range in the US.

Here is a shot of my front KONIs in their J&M mounts. I have cleaned under there since that shot.

I H8 WWD · 12-07-2007, 02:16 PM

Im not going to need those mounts when I buy my Koni Sports will I. Let me know.

EDIT: InfernalVortex answered my question...I didnt see that post. It sent me to the bottom of the page.

91_5.7_TPI · 12-07-2007, 11:14 PM

You won't need them, but upgrading the mounts will be a good idea. Most likey the stock pieces are worn out.

InfernalVortex · 12-08-2007, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 91_5.7_TPI

You won't need them, but upgrading the mounts will be a good idea. Most likey the stock pieces are worn out.

It's definitely on my to do list. It's amazing how much GM wants for these parts now! But at least there are aftermarket options available!

91_5.7_TPI · 12-08-2007, 10:03 AM

In my opinion, pieces like the J$M and the Spohn are better than the parts that GM offers. The J&M have a lifetime warranty as well.

camarozz383 · 03-18-2008, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 91_5.7_TPI

The rears adjuster is the shock rod (thing

shiney part) itelf. There is a small button on top of the shaft (the larger, yellow part). You press this down, hold the rod and twist the shaft. But that's after you remove the shock.

While KONIs are the good, they aren't the best. A set of Penkses will cost you in the $3000 dollar range in the US.

Here is a shot of my front KONIs in their J&M mounts. I have cleaned under there since that shot.

hey do you have to clean your strut towers alot with all that space under your caster and camber plates?I was wondering because i wanted to get a set, but i dont want the dirt that looks like it will go with it.

91_5.7_TPI · 03-18-2008, 08:34 PM

I don't really clean under my hood much...lol. But the new J&M design is better than the old ones like mine.

They are more like the stock design in that they won't allow water in under them. I plan to replace the ones I have sometime soon.