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Im looking for a pic of a 3rd gen with a 4 inch drop in the front..i want to run that and like a .5 inch drop in the rear. I searched and could not find anything..thanks
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you couldn't find anything beacuse it shouldn't be done
that much of a rake would look horrible, not to mention your a-arms would be hitting your k-member, you would be bottoming out the car, and suspension travel. How do you plan on running 26" tall tires in a 23" wheel well?
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Haha...schooled. That "muscle car" look is not pleasing to the eye. Plus, your car will suffer immensely in the performance dept. Which is funny, cause the stance is supposed to imply performance to most people...not me.
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#1.....2"-2.5" is the lowest you can go & the car still be driven.
#2.....A4" drop would put the a-arms IN the bumpstops. Pull the bumpstops out & the a-arms will be IN the subframe.
I doubt fully deflated airbags, would even get you 4" lower.
Stock, the fender only sat 2" higher than the top of the tire.
This is a 25.7" (245/50ZR16) tire & NO SPRINGS at all.
Same tire, same wheel & only 2" higher than the tire WITH springs.
I don't think all that rake would look that good on a 3rd Gen.... I have my '82 in the garage now with no suspension attached, just mocked up. I've set it up at almost every conceivable ride height and rake there is..... IMO low and level is the best look for a 3rd Gen car.
Lowering the front that much would kill the suspension movement, as others have mentioned, and totally upset the front suspension geometry. You'd end up with a very poor handling car....
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Stephen, I think my car sits lower than your pictures without the springs, yet I still have about an inch of travel before my bump stops hit the A-arms.
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Stephen, I think my car sits lower than your pictures without the springs, yet I still have about an inch of travel before my bump stops hit the A-arms.
I assume you mean you've lowered it since your sig pics? Because that certainly isn't lower.
If so, I wonder how that is then.
That was a parts car (89 GTA) that I picked up, with the springs sitting inside the car, on the floor.
Okay, usually i just read these and i have to say this thread made me make an account so i can post
I deal with third gens every day.. And i own a classic auto restoration shop.. just so you guys know im talking from exspierence and im not talking straight out my ***
I got a 1987 Trans am a few weeks ago from a friend.. I've known the car since he bought it brand new in 87 with 11 miles on the car.
He never raised or lowered it.. and the front end sit's super high.. i dropped the front end 2 1/2 inches and still have travel i'm guess about 1 1/2 inch..
And it looks awesome But it's getting alot more done to it over the winter.. im going with a ls2 (6.0 GTO) drive train and ill have much more suspension work done to it.. so my suspension will be no where even mentionable to stock
But my whole point to this post is simple and i hope everyone understands what i mean: If you have a third gen that looks high enough to where you need to drop it 4 inches in the front there is a simpilier way to change this up.. If your car has never had anything suspension wise done to it.. look for your answers in the rear end.. If your rear end is sagging from a stock suspension that's gonna make your front end look raised up or it's gonna make it look like it sits Way to high (kinda like mine did)
so by taking care of a sagging rear end .. it could actually make your front end look lower since it isnt sticking up in the air..
But i agree with everone else dropping it 4 inches is stupid.. you will be on the ground with any third gen.. im sure ur rear is sagging abit to much and that's what is making it look high therefor making you think it needs a 4 inch drop.. i would do 2 maybe 2 1/2 at most.. in the front
but fact remains before you make any decisions on lower it make sure your rear end is sitting and stock heigth and and then look at the front end again.. IF your rear end was sagging... I guarentte it will make your front end look lower.. and the decided how far you want to lower it from there..
But whatever you do don't go with 4" drop.. if you want to ride on the ground go get a s10 airbag it and you can look like all the other morons running around
I agree with stephen 100% his car stance is perfect .. mine sits the same.. if not it is rediculously close
Wow, there's definitely got to be something laying down on the ground with it being that low. Wait a minute, is that a Targa?
correct it was a targa. That was back in hell 02/03? I forget. and NO nothing was layin on the ground. moved around just fine. (the inner fender plastic was removed)
Wow.. I hope your driving on freshly paved black top because if not.. i know you'll be grinding on every bumb you hit and im sure you have very little travel if any at all
Only thing i dont like about going that low is .. Look at your front bumper from the wheel forward. on a side few.. I don't like how you go from sitting on the ground to the bumper reaching for the moon.. now if the bumper sat level with the rest of the ground effects that would look pretty good sitting that low.. But i guess that's the downfall to all third gens.. I'll end up modifying mine.. or ill end up leaving the back end a little higher to make it look like it is more level with the rest of the car.. I guess its the way you have the whole car dropped that low that makes it look completely unlevel..
NOTHING was trully boled on in that pic.s noice it was getting sanded for paint. So the front bumper cover was just sittign on it. No bolts etc.. hell you can see the gfx isnt even bolted ot the fender and drooping.
btw, car was not drove like this.. just pic's for shits n giggles. I DO know someone who a nnice red. supercharged camaro who runs around that low.
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None....I like to drive my cars, not just look at them.
You can see by my pics, of the car on stock springs vs a car with NO springs (parts car, they were inside the passenger ompartment) that that low would put it in the ground.
But seriously......
If you were starting with a 15" wheel TBI/V6, non-performance suspension car whose stock springs are taller.....A 3"+ drop might not be so hard to do, since the car sat higher to begin with.
None....I like to drive my cars, not just look at them.
You can see by my pics, of the car on stock springs vs a car with NO springs (parts car, they were inside the passenger ompartment) that that low would put it in the ground.
But seriously......
If you were starting with a 15" wheel TBI/V6, non-performance suspension car whose stock springs are taller.....A 3"+ drop might not be so hard to do, since the car sat higher to begin with.
I like to drive my car too. However I also like to look at it. That's why my daily driven Camaro is lowered over 3" yet I manage to never scrape on anything except for speed bumps. I have 2.5" of ground clearance to my cat. My ground to top of fenderwell measurement is 24 7/8." That not undrivable at all. I havn't really changed my driving style at all.
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basically you would need 3" dropped spindles and a super stiff 1" drop spring to be able to even drive it at all
im thinking like 1500 lb/in springs would be about right.
And scraping over speed bumps is acceptable to you?
I think it's just because I'm young and okay with not having that perfect combo of luxo-barge/corner-carver but I'm more happy with scraping speedbumps. Hell, I get my car highcentered almost on a weekly basis!
I don't see a car being easy to drive lowered that much. Mine is decently low, and I have to be careful around here to keep from dragging the nose. I would like to lower mine some more, but it wouldn't be practical around here. That, and lowering the car past the point where you have ~1.5'' of suspension travel (in compression) isn't very good for handling either. The suspension can't articulate without smacking bumpstops.
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Originally Posted by Stephen
I assume you mean you've lowered it since your sig pics? Because that certainly isn't lower.
If so, I wonder how that is then.
That was a parts car (89 GTA) that I picked up, with the springs sitting inside the car, on the floor.
it is for most people. It's to be expected. Besides, if you take them at enough angle you'll never scrape. 
