some **** head at school bought a crapy Mustang 5.0 and thinks he is the fastes in schoool, me being 1 of 3 hardcore Hot Rodders chalenge this retard to race, anyways my 350 is pretty tired these days, and need to be freshend up. i have all winter and spring to get my Camaro on the road again. i would like to know your guys motor,trans,gear combos. my combo i'm planing sounds like this 355, hyper pistions,9.5:1, mildly modded 441 heads, stock bottom end(beter rod, main bolts) comp cams 270 solid grind cam .495 lift, 270 duration, perf RPM intake, holley 650 DP. 700r4 is already built for racing, 4:10 posi is needed. this combo is shear to blow the doors of is Rustang, but i would like to here your guys combos who are running in the 13s. any comments and sugetions are much appreciated. ------------------ when the green flag drops the bull$hit stops 350,performer RPM intake ,650dp, 700r4, headers, 3inch exhast [This message has been edited by GOLD85 (edited November 01, 2000).]

sorry i misread the post

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the tech question is what is every bodys combos, yea i know my speeling sucks, but i'm not here to learn how to spell.i type to fast and sometime miss spell words


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when the green flag drops the bull$hit stops

350,performer RPM intake ,650dp, 700r4, headers, 3inch exhast

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[This message has been edited by GOLD85 (edited November 01, 2000).]

A spell checker?

LOL

But Gold, we have to read it!

OH MY GOD I CAN'T READ!!! Oh, no wait you cant spell. LOL, we're just messin wit ya!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust

FORD SUCKS , PERIOD . rustains/rugstains whichever , THEY ARE ALL JUNK ! LS-GT ALL **** ! Never been beat-never will be ! HELL , Hodas are even better than ford , and honda sucks some more serious *** , so whats that tell ya .****, PURE ****ING **** ! Ford ,huh ha ha ha ha , ha ha ha, ha ha ha ! So... ah , what the hell are you worried about ? FORD- Found On Road Dead , Fix Or Repair Daily . As for the driver ****ing original retarded dip**** ! Ford .....HA.

On the serious side, without knowing what mods the Mustang has (or yeat) it is difficult to say. You SHOULD be able to take a stock 302, but most Mustang owners I have met have made mods.

One thing you don't mention is your Torque Convertor. If you have the stock one, I highly recommend a higher stall TC. Precision Industries Vigilante is probably one of the best on the market, but it is pricey. But, you get what you pay for when it comes to TCs. Those cheap "Saturday Night Specials" do just that, last a Saturday Night.

Is there a full moon or what?

what is your powerband on you cam/intake combo that will determine your stall , just off the top of my head I'd say 2,000 to 2500 . that out to be good . Also TCI makes an awsome streatfighter trany (th-700R4 for you )

UM . that looks more like a 1/4 moon here in NY , can't imagine it too much different from where you are ! I do have to say that the much older 428 "real mustangs w/c-6 trany do have some spunk ! Although ford still sucks.

let me give you the back ground on this mustang. its a 94 5.0 5 speed. and its 100% stock. the guy who ownes it is a nimrod, the most he could posibly do is pulles and K&N filter, maybe some onter bolt ons, but he realy dosnt have a glue about going fast,in fact he use to own a Neon and he thought is was fast. anys ways Montley and Gleen i was going to get a 2200 to 2400 stall for my 700r4 wich alredy bilt, with a shift kit, 9 clutchs, 10 vain pump and Vette survo. i hope my spelling is corect this time

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when the green flag drops the bull$hit stops

350,performer RPM intake ,650dp, 700r4, headers, 3inch exhast

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didn't ford go to mass-air-flow in 94 ,whatever , I could care less . Show that BEEACH what a chevy can do not to mention a QUALITY running tradition , THE CAMARO ! PUT some temporary pis-on-ford sickers on your rear hatch or just leave it the way it is because either way when all is said and done he won't even see you . I would reccomend that you bring your rear tires down to about 30 and your fronts at 40 , either way you might still sit there a couple seconds because you are runing street tires that are designed not to heat up and get sticky especialy S and Z rated ! FORD SUCKS, time for a beer!

A 2,400 - 2,600 might be better, especially if you are considering swapping your cam for with a bit more umph.

If you have the funds, you may want to look at your heads. Those are the key to big power (matched with a good cam). You may wish to consider a different intake too.

Victor Jr is great if you go with the "standard Chevy" pre-86 heads, or Vortec if you consider the Fastburn heads. Lots of good aftermarket heads available. I like AFRs personally.

Depending on your pistons, the GM Fastburns may yield to high of a compression with its 58cc combustion chambers. But if your pistons have a dished, then the Fastburns may be your ticket.

But, it sounds like your car SHOULD be able to beat the Mustang as is. But if you want to thoroughly annilate him, consider the above suggestions. Lastly, nothing says "whipping" like NOS.

i can take a 5.0 rustang with my camaro...and i think my name says it all.

YES, certainly , make a point to all rugstainers , a mockery , brillient ! Not only will you TOTALLY DESTROY him , mabie you could turn him over to the "good force." LUKE , IT IS TRUE , THE CAMAROS ALLWAYS WIN ! If not , he'll still be beat , and he'll be another damn rugstain out on the streets pushing to race a honda --"said story it is.....not ford sucks !

money is a big factor, i'm kinda on a budget. thats why i'm going with 441 heads. i know ther not the best heads made by GM, but i know how to make them flow better than 186 heads, and ther cheap, so the heads i'm not woried about. Acording to Edelbrock the Performer RPM "Provides power like a single-plane and throttle response like a dual-plane" beside i alredy have the intake and carb. and i know where i can get the heads for free.

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when the green flag drops the bull$hit stops

350,performer RPM intake ,650dp, 700r4, headers, 3inch exhast

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if you plan to drive it everyday, the solid lifter cam me be a bad idea. might consider some aftermarket heads if you can, but if your stuck with the 441's, a port would help along with having rocker studs installed. might also consider a little more compression. other than that your combo looks acceptable. i'm not a mustang hater. hating a car because of the way some of their owners act is childish yourself. i like mustangs, but very much more a camaro person. and might i point out how concerned you are about this so called "crappy mustang 5.0" owned by a "nimrod". a crappy mustang owned by a nimrod should be easy to beat? as long as he has money, a mustang is easy to make fast. remember, he doesn't have to do the work. but, either way good luck and have fun.

Yes ,I agree , I certainly let this get the best of me . What it comes down to is good old fashioned racing , they'll always be the better car though not to forget driver ! It's been fun , but I have a 12 pack of heineken to polish of .The camaro lives on!

heres my combo, the vortecs are nice heads for 400$ assembled! surely flow better than 441s.

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91 RS W/carbed 350, Vortec heads, performer rpm, Comp cams Xtreme energy 280 grind. BFG Drag radials. 3.42 posi,Corvette servoed 700r4, ****ty stock converter
13.24@104

Just my two cents on the mustang hating thing. If it weren't for mustangs, why would you need your F-body? Its kinda like trying to justify an arms build up in the US military now that the Soviet Union is gone.

i thought long and hard about vortecs but i live in Canada, and to buy the vortecs that are machined for .550 lift and to ship them hear would cost close to $1000 Canadian.

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when the green flag drops the bull$hit stops

350,performer RPM intake ,650dp, 700r4, headers, 3inch exhast

Gold, have you checked with any dealerships about the cost of the Vortecs? While some GM dealership can't be bothered getting you prices on parts and just say "not available", some will.

Just look around and you'll find a dealership that is willing to take the time to look up the parts for you. What makes our parts more expensive is the extra $.50 we must pay for each American $, plus that extra GST and PST.

But there are SO many better heads today than some of that old stuff. And when it comes to making HP, heads are the key. :P

Ok, saturday night I was at this redlight and was going straight and I noticed this 94 maybe mustang GT and so he saw that I was a RS and yes we are seen being the "slow" camaro. Any ways his DA friend said "hey you wanna race?" and I wasnt about to turn it down even if I did get my *** kicked. So I said sure and the light turned green and I got a jump on him and he NEVER got his nose up to my door. And I have a V6!!! I loved it. Oh and after I kinda let off he did a famous ***** fly by. I was gonna tell him good race but he decided to keep going. It was great! V6 beat a damn GT!!! HAHA

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust

i know heads are the key to building good power. i preach that every day to my car budies. the thing is that every one things that 441, 882, 993 are crapy heads. i have seen numiors test that show that out flow L98 heads, if you guys wish i can post the results of a head test Hot Rod did in 1990 that show how good thes heads flow. i have a book on how to build and motify Small block heads. a stock set of 993 flow 186cfm at .500 lift. stcok 186(1970 LT1 heads) flow 178.8cfm at .500 lift. both heads flow 122cfm at .500 on the exhust side. i ve done lots of reserch on cylinder heads. and i plan on stiking with my 441s. also i alredy have Moroso valve covers and performer RPM intake for reqular heads.

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when the green flag drops the bull$hit stops

350,performer RPM intake ,650dp, 700r4, headers, 3inch exhast

[This message has been edited by GOLD85 (edited November 02, 2000).]

First of all, if there were no Mustangs, not only would there not be a need for F-Bodies, they would not exist. The F-Body was built as a response to the Mustang. Secondly, having owned both, the Mustangs are definitely better built than any third- or fourth-gen cars. SIGNIFICANTLY better.

Now that I've gotten that off of my chest, I think you are using a sledgehammer to swat flies. If the car is a stock/mostly stock '94 or '95, I'm guessing if he can REALLY drive, it might hit a mid 14 given good weather and traction. I doubt very seriously if he is as much of a chump and is as young as he sounds that he can handle the car well. If that is the case, mild bolt ons or maybe even a stock 350 should handle him.

I agree with the others on the convertor issue. I've smoked several in previous vehicles. The "You get what you pay for" mantra definitely applies. I've heard nothing but good things about the Vigilantes. I personally am holding out for a six speed.

BTW, if you really want to humiliate him, find a curvy road. It would be humorous to see the big wet spot in his drawer after he tried to follow you through some twisties. We have a huge advantage in the handling department. Good luck.

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New (to me) 87 Formula 350. Edelbrock TES, Flowmaster, airfoil, K&N in modified airbox, March underdrive pullies, still slow....for now.

Gold, AFR 190s produce the same flow on the intake at .300" lift (262 cfm @ .500") and on the exhaust at .200" lift (190 cfm @ .500").

Also, your engine spends a far greater percentage of the time at lower lifts than at .500". With the AFR 190s, you would be getting the same (or better) flow with a very mild cam as you get with an extreme cam and your head combo.

Go to www.airflowresearch.com and read their comparative tests.

since this thread is mostly ford and mustang bashing i'm going to lock it. to those that replied with tech advice thanks. if you want to bash fords and mustangs please go to www.nethirdgen.org mac gyver would love to have you visit and post over there. thanks