Go Back   Third Generation F-Body Message Boards > Tech Boards > Tech / General Engine
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?

Tech / General Engine Is your car making a strange sound or won't start? Thinking of adding power with a new combination? Need other technical information or engine specific advice? Don't see another board for your problem? Post it here!

Welcome to ThirdGen.org!
Welcome to ThirdGen.org.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, at no cost, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, join the ThirdGen.org community today!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 06-26-2005, 07:36 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Merrick, Long Island, NY
Posts: 668

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Careless driving leads to problems...

Well, my brother drove the car till there was no more gas. So now the car wont start and even after adding a few more gallons in it still wont start... it keeps turning over but just wont get there. So now I am guessing some junk got into a fuel filter or fuel pump or something like that. Does anyone have any good guesses at what could have happened and where I should start to fix this?

This is going to be my first real job in fixing the car and there is no rush to get it running again so this will also be some what of a learning experience. I have great mechanical experience and I have built single seater off-road vehicles from the ground up for a college senior design. But I have never done real work on a real car. What should I check first and how should I go about it? I have a Helminc Manual which def. kicks *** and looks to be extremely useful.

Will I have to drop the gas tank? ANy help would be greatly appreciated. Also, the car is a 1992 z28 with a 305, automatic.

Thanks
__________________
Black '92 z28
25th Anniversary
Amrish is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2005, 07:52 PM   #2
Supreme Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Long Neck, De
Posts: 1,961
Car: 2002 SS
Engine: Ls1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3:42 posi

Classifieds Rating: (1)
check fuel pressure? Check to see if the Fuel Pump is kicking on?
__________________
2002 SS camaro- close to stock little bolt ons, 12.151 @ 114

1998 r/t neon - Built 2.4 bws366 11.60 @ 127 low boost
crazy3rdgen is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2005, 10:58 AM   #3
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Merrick, Long Island, NY
Posts: 668

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Where can I find a fuel pressure gage? any auto parts store? As far as the fuel pump, should I just be able to hear it turn once the key is in the on position? I know I can hear it on my truck but I never really noticed it on the camaro.
Amrish is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2005, 11:14 AM   #4
Supreme Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Long Neck, De
Posts: 1,961
Car: 2002 SS
Engine: Ls1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3:42 posi

Classifieds Rating: (1)
yeah it should make a noise when you turn the key but if theres already pressure in the line it wont. So what I would do is I dunno about the 305 but on my 2.8 theres like a tire valve in the back for the fuel line. (behind the intake manifold that is) Try pushing that little valve in, its exactly like a bike tire valve. You should see gas squirt out at ya. Now you released the pressure. Go back in the car and turn the key and listen.
crazy3rdgen is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2005, 11:39 AM   #5
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Merrick, Long Island, NY
Posts: 668

Classifieds Rating: (0)
I was looking at my HelInc manual and the procedure was different to relieve the pressure... so i'll prob just follow that and I think I am going to just pull the tank and check out the fuel pump and also the inline filter.
Amrish is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2005, 04:27 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Merrick, Long Island, NY
Posts: 668

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Does anyone know where I can find a replacement fuel pump and filter and everything else I need to replace... I am going to pull the tank down this evening and try and take out the pump and also replace the filter while I am at it.

Would pep boys or autozone or advance have what I need? Does anyone have part numbers?

Also, in my Helm Inc manual, it talks about relieving the pressure in the fuel system for my 305 TPI and says I need a fuel pressure gage ( J 34730-1 ) ... I have no idea where to find this or if I really need it. There is some fuel in the tank (~5 gals) and I also need to get that out, any ideas?

Thanks alot.

Last edited by Amrish; 06-28-2005 at 04:37 PM.
Amrish is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2005, 05:15 PM   #7
Moderator
 
five7kid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Littleton, CO USA
Posts: 39,568
Car: 82 Berlinetta(2)/57 Bel Air
Engine: LS1 (LS1)/LQ4
Transmission: 4L60E (T56)/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 10B 3.73(9" 4.11)/8.2" 4.11

Classifieds Rating: (11)
Any of the parts stores should have the needed parts. Get the pickup screen (strainer) as well.

You don't need to drain the tank. The extra weight is a minor issue, but not enough of one to go through the hassle of trying to siphon it out.
five7kid is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2005, 05:57 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Merrick, Long Island, NY
Posts: 668

Classifieds Rating: (0)
I ran over to pep boys and autozone and neither of them have the fuel pressure gage that the book talks about... most of hte people working also have no idea what I am looking for.

I will go out and get a new filter, pump, and strainer once i take it all off and know what everthing looks like.

The biggest thing right now is relieving the pressure in the system. Is there any other way of relieving the pressure? I need help asap, im just waiting on this to begin taking everything apart...
Amrish is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2005, 06:42 PM   #9
Supreme Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 3,504
Car: 86 Corvette, 89 IROC, 1999 TA
Engine: 350, 350, LS1
Transmission: 700r4, 700r4, T-56
Axle/Gears: 3.07, 373, 4.10

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to 89RsPower!
the number the book gave u is a gm tool number, dont worry about the number, just tellem you need a fuel pressure gauge.

On a side note, 57 no more 305 for u????
89RsPower! is online now vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2005, 06:43 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
rudyt5000's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Hobby/SE Houston tx
Posts: 423
Car: 87-Z r.i.p & 93-Z sold 99s-10
Engine: 305 TPI , 350 LT1, 2.2 4cylinder
Transmission: 700 R4, 4l60, ?

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Send a message via Yahoo to rudyt5000
hmmm....i also had the same problem with my car...when i ran out of gas it wouldnt turn back on . Then i found out that the power wire i guess to the fuel pump got cut near the battery it was a minor little thing but had me thinkin i was gonna have to replace everything. All i did was tape it back together and recently bought a new terminal cable and came with a new wire to the fuel pump.

This is just to let anybody know about the same problem i had and just to look for simple things first before anything serious. Without thinkin bout the simple things i have done more damage than good but just gotta learn
rudyt5000 is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2005, 06:50 PM   #11
Moderator
 
five7kid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Littleton, CO USA
Posts: 39,568
Car: 82 Berlinetta(2)/57 Bel Air
Engine: LS1 (LS1)/LQ4
Transmission: 4L60E (T56)/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 10B 3.73(9" 4.11)/8.2" 4.11

Classifieds Rating: (11)
Quote:
Originally posted by 89RsPower!
On a side note, 57 no more 305 for u????
http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/show...hreadid=300856
five7kid is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2005, 08:32 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Merrick, Long Island, NY
Posts: 668

Classifieds Rating: (0)
So there is pretty much no way to relieve the pressure without this fuel pressure gage? I asked the people working at autozone and at pepboys and no one knew what I was talking about except for those gages you use on the dash but not what the manual is talking about.

Anyone have a picture or know a place online so I can see what it looks like? I think its supposed to come with a bleeder valve or something...
Amrish is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2005, 11:18 PM   #13
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Overland Park in the Great State of KANSAS
Posts: 90
Car: 91 Z28
Engine: 468 ci
Transmission: thm 350

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Just do what crazy3rdgen said and locate the shrader valve on the fuel line. Make sure you have your eye protection on and have a rag handy. Take a small screwdriver and push the little pin in on the valve. Hold your rag over it when you push it in so it doesn't squirt gas all over you. It's just like letting air out of you tires except gas comes out. If you have a manual it should tell you haw to check the electrical system. Check it out before dropping the exhaust and rear end to take out the tank.
katman is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2005, 09:29 AM   #14
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Merrick, Long Island, NY
Posts: 668

Classifieds Rating: (0)
I thought that the valve was only on the TBI cars? I have a 305 TPI. I'll go and look for it otherwise I found the fuel pressure tester but I dont know where I would be hooking it up to??
Amrish is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2005, 09:38 AM   #15
Senior Member
 
Dan8289gta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Around the way
Posts: 493
Car: 89 GTA
Engine: 350 tpi
Transmission: 700r4

Classifieds Rating: (0)
The valve should be on the passenger side fuel rail.
__________________

Third place for best unmodified firebird at Thirdgenfest 2005.


When i was young i used to pray to G od for a bike, then i realized G od doesnt work that way so i stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.
Dan8289gta is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2005, 07:48 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Merrick, Long Island, NY
Posts: 668

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Alright thanks, that saved some money, I got the rear end unbolted after breaking a sway bar bolt and a shock bolt

Now the problem comes in with the central brake line to rear which splits to the left and right drums... Do I have to disconnect it or can I get away with bringing the rear end down just enough before it is about to pull the central line off and just left the rear end sit on jack stands...? If I do this will there be enough room to just hang down the muffler and sneak the tank through or is it that much of a PITA and I have to drop the tank and bleed the brakes.

One last thing... Where can I find a shock bolt that is used on our cars and a sway bar bolt (not the U-bolt but the bolts at each end of the sway bar)?

Thanks everyone, I appreciate all the help
Amrish is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2005, 07:48 PM
ThirdGen
1992 Camaro




Paid Advertisement


Reply

Go Back   Third Generation F-Body Message Boards > Tech Boards > Tech / General Engine

Tags
347301, careless, driving, gm, picture, problem, tool
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 


1982 Camaro '82 || 1983 Camaro '83 || 1984 Camaro '84 || 1985 Camaro '85 || 1986 Camaro '86 || 1987 Camaro '87 || 1988 Camaro '88 || 1989 Camaro '89 || 1990 Camaro '90 || 1991 Camaro '91 || 1992 Camaro '92


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright © 1997 - 2012 ThirdGen.org. All rights reserved. No part of this website may be reproduced without the expressed, documented, and written consent of ThirdGen.org's Administrators.

Emails & Contact Details