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I'm referring to the standard Fel-Pro gaskets. 1205 intake and 1010 head gaskets. They hardly have any use on them and look to be in good shape. the intake gaskets I'm not too worried about but the headgaskets were about $40 each.
__________________ 1991 Pearl White Z28 383
3265 lbs.
I'm referring to the standard Fel-Pro gaskets. 1205 intake and 1010 head gaskets. They hardly have any use on them and look to be in good shape. the intake gaskets I'm not too worried about but the headgaskets were about $40 each.
you cant reuse the headgaskets.
you SHOULDNT reuse the intake gaskets, but you can sometimes get away with it.
warning smartass LS1 owner comment below:
you can reuse every gasket on the 99+ LS1 except the headgaskets. they all use a Oring type seal.
Head gaskets compress making them unuseable again. I HAVE gotten away with intake gaskets, but they started leaking after a while. But head gaskets are a no-no when it comes to reusing.
__________________ Mike
I drive nothing with less than 350 cubic inches....except my Celica Best of a 13.50 @ 107 Its like myspace BUT for gear heads
Actually, when the FelPro PermaTorque (blue Teflon-coated) gaskets came out in the late 70s, the FelPro rep told us they were re-useable. We laughed (duh), being accustomed to McCord and Victorcore ones that stuck to everything and tore into sawdust to remove, or steel-shim ones that were ALWAYS already blown when we took them apart, EVERY SINGLE TIME. But, not too long after that, we had some stupid thing come up late one night that required popping a head off on a car we had used them on, and we didn't have another gasket, so we took a REAL DEEP BREATH and put it back together with the old one. Surprise! It worked. So the next time we had to take that head off, we re-used it AGAIN. It worked, again!!!!! Don't know how long it might have lasted, because the motor blew up a few months later; but, that's another matter.
Which is not the same as saying that I would do it again. Especially not in a motor that I actually had to depend on to get to work and stuff like that.
The 1010 is a perfectly good choice for aluminum heads. That's what I'd use.
__________________ Numquam ponenda est pluralitas sine necessitate. — William of Ockham, from Quaestiones et decisiones in quattuor libros Sententiarum Petri Lombardi
Roughly paraphrased into modern English, and applied to figuring out what's wrong with your car:
The simplest explanation that fits all the facts is probably the right one.
Any other cheaper alternative? I'm trying to get all my parts together for this rebuild. With a cracked lifter I think I'll go ahead and get a new set from summit, a trip to the machine shop, gaskets, oil pump, etc this is getting more expensive than I anticipated. Especially because of these damn lifters.
What type of gaskets can be used on alumnium heads?
Why are lifters costing so much? Isn't this a factory roller setup? Lifters maybe $125 a set or so? Not exactly pocket change of course, but shouldn't be enough to break the bank either, I wouldn't think....
Oil pump, Mr G #26 spring, steel collar drive shaft, and new pickup all together is less than $30 at AutoZone.
As far as head gaskets, I don't really know of any that are any less expensive than 1010s that I'd use, except for maybe a stock FelPro head set.
__________________ Numquam ponenda est pluralitas sine necessitate. — William of Ockham, from Quaestiones et decisiones in quattuor libros Sententiarum Petri Lombardi
Roughly paraphrased into modern English, and applied to figuring out what's wrong with your car:
The simplest explanation that fits all the facts is probably the right one.
Well some head gaskets are reusable but are extremly expensive. Just didn't know if the 1010's were.
hmmm....I never knew that.....I probably still wouldn't reuse them. Thats more for them pro-stock and track only cars that get torn down every run and put back together, THEN using them 2 or 3 tear downs and getting some "life" out of them makes sense to use.....I can't justify the expense tho.
Stay away from Felpro...use the GM 10105117 .(028) or12557236 (.051)
They are way better and cost alot less.
Oh...and that's my opinion (been using them for years)
Why are lifters costing so much? Isn't this a factory roller setup? Lifters maybe $125 a set or so? Not exactly pocket change of course, but shouldn't be enough to break the bank either, I wouldn't think....
Oil pump, Mr G #26 spring, steel collar drive shaft, and new pickup all together is less than $30 at AutoZone.
As far as head gaskets, I don't really know of any that are any less expensive than 1010s that I'd use, except for maybe a stock FelPro head set.
I was looking at those lifters and for $120 a set they look damn good. Would the Summit brand be able to hold up to my Comp 987 springs??? Apparently Comp's can't...
imagine ur new headgasket fails on u,
you have a good reason to sue the company for defective gasket,
but if u reuse the gasket and it fails on u, u have nothing to blame..
plus IMO gaskets arent that expensive and its just money/time efficient
and wise to swap a new one in whenever u go that far on opening up the engine.
Who knows whether what you have, are actually Comp; or whether they're new; or what?
Personally, as I said elsewhere, I think you got hosed on those lifters. I don't think you got new ones. So don't blame it on Comp, since you have no way of knowing where they came from; blame it on the source.
It's also entirely possible, that the Summit lifters are identical to Comp ones. After all, Comp (and Crane and Lunati and whoever else) don't "make" all their parts that are the same as stock replacement, rather, they just buy them from an OEM or similar supplier, such as Eaton, Elgin, Melling, Sealed Power, etc.
Comp 987 springs aren't too stiff for any functional lifters. I wouldn't worry about it. In fact, just to illustrate the point, consider that big block lifters are absolutely identical in every way to small block ones, THE VERY SAME PART # in fact; and they seem to hold up just fine to the MUCH STIFFER big block valve springs, with higher ratio rockers to boot (probably 30-50% more force on the lifter than in your setup). Ignore the "collapsed lifter" drivel.
__________________ Numquam ponenda est pluralitas sine necessitate. — William of Ockham, from Quaestiones et decisiones in quattuor libros Sententiarum Petri Lombardi
Roughly paraphrased into modern English, and applied to figuring out what's wrong with your car:
The simplest explanation that fits all the facts is probably the right one.
I am using those with my AFR's and arp bolts. I have around 10.3 compression and they are working just fine. It also helps quench with the gasket only being 0.028 thick.
Nice. Looks like I'll go with those this time around.
And Summit lifters here I come. I wasn't blaiming Comp; I love their products and wish I could go 100% Comp but I can't afford it for sure. I think I got hosed too and even if these are from Comp I think they are some type of refurbish or something.
Something was defenitly fishy...
the camaro
