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Just wondering if both had identical engine, drivetrain, suspension which would come out ahead. In theory I'd say the Firebird because of the more aero front, but what do you guys think. Later.
With everything equal, as far as power, traction, weight, etc.? The Firebird would have a slight advantage, due to aerodynamics. But the driver is the biggest factor in everything.
When I was running autocross regularly, I knew a driver that could beat just about anyone in THEIR car, that they were used to, his 1st time in. He could take a F-stock car & run with E-Street Prepared cars easily.
Although the Firebird has a better drag coefficient, I doubt you would see any difference in performance unless the vehicles were designed to do 150+ mph. 2 identical street cars but with different body styles would likely be equally fast.
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Also, they had different air intakes, so that also may have some play in this. But then again, at the stock power level, it isn't going to really be noticed.
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good to read about the american-bashers getting the correction they deserve. euro snobs are such dumba$$es. If you're serious about going fast, there are only 2 options: (1) a turbocharged big block chevy, or (2) a turbocharged LSX.
Typically I would lean towards a Camaro being 'faster' with equal drivetrains. My thinking on this is Firebirds were generally the higher end model and weighed a little more, not counting Formula's.
good to read about the american-bashers getting the correction they deserve. euro snobs are such dumba$$es. If you're serious about going fast, there are only 2 options: (1) a turbocharged big block chevy, or (2) a turbocharged LSX.
lets not stick our heads up our arses on this either... amg( Mercedes tuner) has been producing some of the fastest street legal vehicles around.
street legal? that depends on the laws of the various countries. For ultimate HP potential, no Mercedes engine can approach the capabilities of the LSX block, and there are BBCs out there over 3000 HP. The HP required increases at the cube of the speed increase. So, to go faster, you need more HP. And unless you want to go from piston engines to jets or rockets, the HP champs of this planet are the 2 I named. If they want to rival us, they'll have to use one of our engines, or build a one-off.
I would say camaros, because you can get a police package (yes mine is) in those....and police radios are faster than any car.....LOL.
okay sorry, I know that was cheesy....
still go camaro!! lol
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Wasnt the turbo trans am the fastest third gen of all the factory third gens? Beond that there were actual magazine tests on this very thing cant remeber which magazine or what particular year but the way it ended up breaking down the IROC camaro had better low end speed because of its better intake giving it alittle hp boost over the firebird but the Trans Ams better aerodynamics allowed it to overtake the camaro in the top end. Oddly enough though they ended up with the same top speed which was something in the low 140s. That being said I thing a Firebird formula 350 would be the best of them all. They could have all the T/A performance options whith about 300 lbs less than the T/A which would push it beyond not only the T/As but the IROCs and Z28s as well by a narrow margin. The only ones that i cannot account for are 1LEs, SLP cars, or any special package car of that nature.
I would say camaros, because you can get a police package (yes mine is) in those....and police radios are faster than any car.....LOL.
okay sorry, I know that was cheesy....
still go camaro!! lol
I agree though on the special cars......the firehawk was offered to the pontiac guys, which did outperform them all.....camaro was not offered that special intake system...although I don't know much about them....only ever seen one..
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'91 Camaro RS B4C Police Special Service Package
350 4-bolt, 10:0 w/moly rings, Holley Stealth Ram (ported), BBK 58mm, MSD ignition, Procomp heads 2.02 1.60 200cc (63hrs. port work), 30# venom injectors, Flowtech headers, full custom 3.5" mandrell ceramic exhaust w/ aerochamber, Comp cam XFI280HR (.576/.571 234/244), PCMforLESS.com tune, 58mm BBK, Custom TPI air lid, Custom RamAir, 1.6 stainless steel rollers, Custom 700-r4 2500 stall, Aluminum Drive line, 3.23 posi, Moser axles w/stud girdle cover, Spring works springs (lowered), UMI relocation brackets, panhard, LCAs, sub-frame connector, boxed A-arms, Poly bushings, Custom interior, Powdercoated & polished IROC wheels, Custom "Black Cherry" Paint", 4pt. roll bar, +++ more! "It's not the tires squealing, it the asphault SCREAMING!!"
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