moneyz1

What do I have to put into my engine to allow my 84 z28 c.amaro to be able to beat any auddi or atleast keep up?

z28romance

a supercharger. high flow exhaust. turbos. someone in an audi burn you at a light?

travis401

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a lot of money, time, and effort.

moneyz1

My friend has one and he keeps saying I'm wasteing my time building this camaro I been fixing up for years and idc about the money I just wanna blow him away

travis401

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youre gonna have to beef up the suspension, the rear, the trans, the motor, basically the whole car. depending if you can do all the woprk yourself or not depends on the price range youre looking at.

I_R_O_C_Z_2_8

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Drop a ls1 with a t56 behind it and bolt ons

moneyz1

I planed on changing the engine already I want a brand new rebuilt one of jegs unless u guys no of a better place I can get a engine?

travis401

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if money is no object, why stop at ls1, drop an ls7, or a new gm 454 lsx.

moneyz1

If I put an ls1 in the car ill have to change thr trans right do I have to change. Anything else

travis401

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read up on the lsx swap board, theres a lot that has to change to drop in an ls motor.

torque_is_good

all wheel drive is going to beat you off of the line

they might have a better 60 foot time than you but at the 1/8 mile point he's looking at your tail lights for the remainder of the 1/4 mile

you are of course mature enough to realize that you should not risk my life, his life, her life and even your own and aren't racing on the street just because your hormones are raging?

InfernalVortex

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If money is an issue, drop in a 5.3 or 6.0 truck motor and a T56. Ifyou can afford it put a cam in the 5.3.

moneyz1

No I'm not raceing anyone unless its on a track but I wanna make my car as fast as I can I seen a track ready 350 enngine with 350 horse power is that a good engine

ninetyone

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uhh... a 350 will do it.

ninetyone

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bolt on 350 tpi will easily. Just be safe and take it to the track.

moneyz1

So any 350 will beat the auddi?

J91

I can't believe this conversation an Audi? What kind of audi? What kind of camaro do you have? What motor? How about some info???

I've raced some allwheel drive cars before, including Audis, I have yet to be taken off the line w/my current setup by one. It's not an LS motor either, it's a SBC. I've taken down a handful of LS cars also, some you win, some you lose, depends on your build or whether or not you can drive.
My wife has had 2 A4 Quatros a 99 and an 08, my 305 when it was in the car and built, took down her 99, as far as the 08 ???? Never raced it....

moneyz1

I have a 305 right now but I recently bought it of a kid and like a week later the head gasket and I want to put a 350 in it or better to be able to beat all these lil tuner cars espacialy my boys auddi

moneyz1

Head gaskets started smokeing*

68Strat

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Depends on the Audi haha. A pretty stock 350 will easily beat a NA 2.7 a4 off the line, but even a lightly modded 1.8t will catch up quick in the top end... I have raced and ridden in near stock S4s that blow my Camaro away and it is pushing mid 300s for HP. All depends on how much money you want to spend and how fast you want to go.

henryd3

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Also depends on how or when you're trying to beat him. You have power to weight issues to contend with, not to mention that Audis have a high revving engine and higher tech suspension. Two entirely different classes of cars in different leagues, but lots of cash can make a big difference. Depends on whether or not it's worth it

ninetyone

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Bull...are you kidding me? I have personal raced and beaten a brand new 2.0 Turbo Audi A4 and Audi TT. Both times i smoked them. Lightly modded 1.8 Turbo is not really fast.

torque_is_good

nice assumption, 3rd gen with mods vs stock base Audi

why not compare stock 3rd gen to base audi

how about mod'd 3rd gen to an S4, not even the top of the line Audi?

the all wheel drive will smoke you from the dig but depending on your vehicle mods, you will run it down unless we're talking a high end Audi

the sport version of the TT will run 0-60 in under 5 seconds. That's not too shabby

moneyz1

So what do I have to put into the engine to be able to beat a top end auddi what do you recommend

68Strat

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Okay? A lightly modded 1.8T isn't really fast, but neither is a third gen with a stockish mild 350 (under 250hp), let alone one with non ported TPI, which loses grunt right where the Audi starts to make power. I raced my friends 1.8t with my LO5 back when I had my 88 and lost... Look at HP Torque and weight and you will see it is very possible.

My friend works at an Audi speed shop and I have toyed with and raced a bunch of different Audis. My current car isn't stock and can beat modded 1.8ts 2.0ts but stock 2.7 twin turbos S4s are a close race, and one with bigger turbos and a tune are easily 2-3 seconds faster in the quarter than my car which runs low 13s

moneyz1

So can I start of with any 350 base engiine and make it fast enough to beat auddis or is there a specific one to use I plan buying my engine of jegs is there one on that site that u would recommend?

68Strat

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What kind of Audi?

moneyz1

The top of the line auddi

68Strat

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I am doubting there is any serious intention behind this thread. For all I know (I highly doubt) the Audi in question could be a v12 or a twin turbo V8 RS4. To catch up to cars like that, you will need much more than just an engine. Supporting mods, such as a stronger rear end and tranny work are needed if you plan for any kind of longevity.

ninetyone

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Thirdgen's!

Guest

Okay, give us a dollar figure. What's your budget?

moneyz1

No I'm serouse about it I want to be able to beat a twin turbo one

Guest

Great. It can be done. How to do it depends on your budget.
You seem like a 16 year old kid with no money, wanting us to tell you it just takes a 75HP hit of nitrous.
It takes more than that.
Getting there for a couple thousand dollars is possible for some guys here, and they'll probably do a junkyard Ford 9" axle, a junkyard TH400, and a heavily nitroused 350 Chevy. They'll do all the work themselves, and they won't expect much else of the car, other than the one good run.
Is that what you want? No? Got $5000? $10,000? Probably not.

moneyz1

Acauly I'm 22 and I have over 10000 that I'm putting into the car my uncle owns a body shop and my neighbor next door is doing all the work for me for free as a favor to my dad so I'm realy trying to see what I can do to make this happen its my fav car my uncle had a iroc growing up I always wanted one I found a z28 and I want to make as great as It can be

moneyz1

And the auddi he has is an s4 with a few mods like air intake and exhaust

Guest

When you realize how you're being perceived, you can understand why you're getting all the responses you've gotten. I saw them all.
Since you have the funds, you'd do well to find a rear-totalled '98-'02 Z28 / Formula / Trans Am, and just swap everything over.

da.slyboy

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Not to be rude, but for someone who claims to have 10 grand to put into their car, why are you talking about getting a base 350 from jegs?. Don't get me wrong a 350 can be built up really well and will drop right in to your car with little modification. But as everyone has mentioned you also must consider the rest of your car. A well built 350 with heads/cam/turbo etc will most likely overpower your trans, so that will need to be upgraded. Of course good tires are also needed for traction. A good exhaust, subframe connectors etc.....the list goes on and on. A fast car isn't just dependent on an engine alone.

Are you wanting to buy a crate engine to put in your car? Did you want to go carb or fuel injection? What is your experience level with engines/trans/cars in general?

Oh and please spell it "Audi".......I own one and don't want to feel like I'm stuttering every time I read your posts.

moneyz1

Isn't that gonna be more work tho

GSRacing

I just completed a entirerly new build of a 355 in my 86 motor dynoed at 443 hp and it cost me under 3500 dollars the car ran 12.04 at 113 with a 1.63 60 ft at 3550 pounds I dont kno many audis that are gonna run door to door with that

moneyz1

That's fine I'm not claiming to no a lot about cars if I did I wouldn't be on here asking for help I thought maybe I could get advise here I'm still learning everyone's gotta start somewhere but iam very passionate about this

GSRacing

HOnestly then I would start one system at a time drive train transmission engine lay out a plan you wanna go with I suggest having someome build you a motor you also need to factor in streetabilty how much you wanna drive it and futre plans do you wanna make it strictly race or a cruiser with some get up and go

moneyz1

Its my summer car I want it to be a street car with *****

GSRacing

ID prolly go with an ls swapwith bolt ons then 373 gears or so and 100 shot of nitrous instant 12 second car

moneyz1

A lot ppl don't wanna race ppl when they know they have nos in the car though

Guest

It's not gonna be done by September, no matter which route you take. You don't just drop in a crate 383 and win the race.
Please stop thinking about how much work is involved, it takes what it takes, and considering all the supporting mods required, the final amount of labor ends up being about the same.

GSRacing

Thats like you saying you dont wanna race his audi because it has a turbo a power adder.is a power adder no matter how you look at it

moneyz1

Yea deff its gonna be a long time before Ill have this done but do you guys think its worth it

GSRacing

THe only person it needs to be worth it to is you if you like the feeling of going fast and looking good un a car that you had your hands in building and making it your own then build it up but if you wanna go fast and look good with no labor go finance one of those audis your worried,about losing to

da.slyboy

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Which part are you referring too??


Besides you own a Camaro.....it's always going to be more work

GSRacing

LOL