an 18 year kid driving a 2002 trans am WS6 died the other day when he hit a tree with his car. The news showed the crash and the trans am was in 2 peices. it ripped right in half. the hood was off, the back half of the car was still in the woods and the front was in the street.There was parts all over the place. Skid marks where over 500 feet long. Id say this guy was doing over 130MPH on a secondary road by the look of the hole he made in the woods his car. Real stupid kid. Guess he wont do that again. Common sense would have let this kid live another day.

do you have a link to the site where you got this?
damm, it sucks.
A part of me wants to start talking trash about a 18 year old driving a brand new WS6, but i won't, i feel i don't need too.
it just sucks, 18 is too young to die
later
biker

Gotta be careful. Doing 130mph anywhere but the track is very foolish IMO.

Man that sucks to here. Some people are just idiots. Who goes 130 mph on back roads I can see on the freeway to Las Vegas with no traffic but not on back country roads lined with trees Sorry to here about someone my age dying doing something stupid also the loss a 2002 WS6 Trans Am

I didnt get it from a site. I heard it on the local news here. It happended in the next town over from me. I bet he got the car for a graduation gift.

Damn I wish I got something remotely close to that for a graduation gift.

I got a 50 dollar bill and a pizza for my graduation gift.

Very sad news. I don't want to sound mean, but it's a good thing noone else was in the car. It's also good noone else got hurt. Another case of a rich kid who can't handle his car. When will people learn? I think he would have to be going over 130 to leave a 500ft skid, then still do all that damage. Those things have good brakes.

where did it happen? lemme guess was it in wesport or tiverton? plenty of backroads out there

In similar news... though its non-Fbody, my freind Rick was pronounced dead at 5:04 AM Sunday June 9th. He was doing 110 on a rural road going to his house in his Z24 and lost it. Its a half gravel road with no line, streetlights, and lots of up and down hills. The back tires grabbed on the edge of the road, the car rolled 3 times, bounced out of a ditch and landed against some trees. He was ejected from the car even though he was wearing his seatbelt. A freind of a freind was in the car directly behind them and got to witness this. His passenger lived and was released from the hospital after 2 days. His funeral was yesterday. He was 21.

He did that road 4 times a day at least, and you know guys, at that speed 999/1000 times nothing bad happens, but sunday was that 1/1000. The lesson to us all is it dosen't matter how well you know the car, it dosen't matter how well you know the road. Overconfidence kills.

not that it matters, but a friend decided to chase down a drunk driver and flipped his lowered z24 on an entrance ramp dirctly in front of another friend driving another z24. they both entered the ramp at about 80 and the guy that flipped thought he could hold it.....he got lucky, rolled it right over the driver side and crushed the pass. side. The worst part was watching it get pulled onto the flatbed upside down.....CAR-TOTALLED. CASUALTIES-NONE.....we got lucky, he was 19 and it was the second one he rolled....first was a blazer when he fell asleep at the wheel......some people have way to much confidence in their driving....sorry to hear about your friend hardrock...we all feel the pain.

can't say it any better
Andrew

My brother-in-law had a friend (Kenny) that I barely knew, but just 1 1/2 years ago he was racing in his '69 Camaro and lost it launching himself into the woods on a road in the Gloucester, Virginia area (it was a 10 second car). He was killed instantly and the car went so deep into the woods that they left parts of the car there for good. I was told that a part of the car was up in a tree! The guy left behind his wife and his son. I remember thinking how stupid he was to do that when he had a wife and a child. But then I remembered there has been many a time I've sat in the driver's seat and for a few moments I lived as if I was immortal.

Sad.

The good thing is that I haven't gone over 100 on a public road in a good two years, so I hope that means I am slowly learning. I honestly don't think I'd ever do it again. There's nothing for me to prove that would ever make me want to leave my wife a widow and my daughter fatherless.

yeah im slowly calming down but i still have a wild hair in me. alittle to wild. ive already totalled one car at 100+ in traffic. and yet i still go 100 in traffic from time to time i HAVE to stop that. my friends are always trying to get me to race people its just not worth it. im not gonna leave behind friends and family just to try to race someone during rush hour traffic (if the time and place is alright i do race from time to time). and what really scared me is that i want a crotch rocket BAAADD. i know that would be the end of me...i can see myself doing something very bad at 160mph on the interstate.

i got lucky when i rolled my tuck doin bout 140 on the highway. thats 140kms btw. i was drivin on thehighway andhit a patchg ofblakc ice and all ofthe sudden bam. im lookin through the windshield and seein all the snow on the ground. i only got a scratch on my face, which i think was fro ma tape case flying around in the cab. needless t osay i ma heck of a lot more careful now.

Man people can be dumb. Racing near woods, on backroads. I'm guilty of doing 140 on a back road, but it was very long, empty and straight, and I know the road well. I don't think I will do it again after reading these posts. **** HAPPENS, but when it happens at over 100mph there are BIG conciquences. Trying to take exit ramps fast in a cav is insave, even if it is a z24. I wouldn't trust going over 90 in a straight line in one.

this thread makes me . ive lost lots of people/family this way

i like being 17. i have a fast car. i have no wife. i have no children. i have no one t worry about about except myself. i do not see myself living past 25. i do not want to die. but i know what will happen sooner or later. i do not drive stupid in traffic, or around other people, or when i have passengers. only when i'm alone, on a nice wide country road. people have told me to think about what's important to myself, and is it worth it to die because i like driving fast. yes. to me it is. in "the fast and the furious", when vin diesel says, "that's how i woulda had it." that's what i'm saying.

i do not like reading posts like this, it makes me very sad. and my heart goes out to this kid's friends and family and girlfriend. (he had to have one, look at the car) and before everyone starts crying tragedy. remember who made him go this fast. himself.

Interesting, but then you could have a crash and instead of killing yourself you are left lying in a bed for the next 60 years of your life eating your diner through a straw and having someone wipe your *** clean after you lie there uncontrolable sh1tting yourself. Have you ever thought of that scenario?

Rob

rob,
yes, actually i have thought of that scenario. i just prefer not to think of it. i know the teenager motto is "it will never happen to me". i don't think like that. i know it CAN happen to me. but i'm really not worried about it too much. i wish that we had a road track somewhere within a coupla' hours from here. if that were the case. i would only drive fast there. but it's not. by the way, how is driving like that more dangerous on an empty street than it is on a track?

I about rolled a car one time. scared me REALLY bad. I was in a taurus and doing at least 110mph on gravel, I jumped a hill, landed whiped 2 360's in les than half a block, went down in a ditch sideways and slid for like 4 blocks sideways. every since then I've have wised up ALOT after you have such a close call like that your alot smarter driving. :-)

nitrobreth, let me be the first of many people to tell you that you are stupid. You have a real good outlook on your life. you think driving fast by yourelf is safe. what happens if your stupidity kills someone else on the road cuz you where trying to be a movie hero, How would you be albe to live the rest of your life knowing you killed someones mom or dad or son or daugher? Smarten up huh! Ill be sure not to go through your town in my jorneys.

Dare I say, that 85 mph speedo has kept me from really pushing my car. Ive only topped that speedo out on the highway, and then once it goes over i worry about accelerating for fear of over going my 118mph tires. Blowout at 135 would not be fun.

A few scary moments in the cars have stopped me from further stupid. The first was going 20 mph in reverse with the camaro. Lost control and slammed into a snowbank. Very good deal of respect for reverse and spinning out now. Next was with the 305. Showing off, bottomed out on a pothole I never saw at 81 mph. My buddy hit his head on the ceiling of the car I hit that so hard. Didnt know the road well. With the 350, never been over 70 on a back road, or much more than 100 on the highway. Wont push it in town. Or with other people in car unless they ask. I dont want to hurt my family or friends if i got killed in a car crash being stupid.

I feel I am mature enough to drive the 350. If I had even a 305 when I first got my liscense. I garuntee I'd be dead. I did some dumb things, and a new driver should not get an 8 cylinder car to learn on.

I learned on my car. Granted some people are different than each other.

I've done a few things in my driving life and I call them "learning experiences". One time I was driving my Uncle's 94 F250 (company truck) and thought it would be a good idea to do 60kph (about 40mph) on a gravel road. Well, the big 5000lb truck couldn't make the corner on it's skinny 235/75R15 tires and I went barreling through a fence, bushes and a ditch. I managed to get out in 4WD low, and didn't tell my Uncle. The only reason I wasn't hurt was because it was a massive truck. If I was in my Camaro, I would have for sure ended up in a hospital.

Two years later I've smartened up completely.

Seriously. My wife is a CNA at a local nursing home, when she first started she was assigned a wing and imagine her suprise when she saw a former class mate from high school (she's 23) in a coma being fed by a machine and he ain't ever coming back. He was drunk driving and lost control of the car with a passenger and hit a tree. He is 23 now, too, but he hasn't been with this world since he was 19. His Mom comes visiting and crying like crazy because she just knows one day he's gonna wake up.

I'm sorry nitrobreth, but if you are lucky enough to only hurt yourself it still is gonna be hard for your family. You need to wake up.

I had a bad enough accident when I was 20 that if there had been a passenger in the other car they would have been dead. It would have been my fault, and I would not have deserved to live after that. I'm 31 now, and I'm not perfect, but I would never be that stupid again. I have no right to risk someone else's life.

What about parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, friends? Are you really being honest with yourself when you tell yourself that there is NOONE that would be saddened by your death? I've done some very dangerous and stupid stuff, and what bothers me when thinking about some of those things later is that if I had killed myself it would have been devastating to my parents and my brother. I've seen the look on my Mom's face when me or my brothers have gotten hurt badly, and I never want to see it again. When it comes to driving and racing on the street, I drive carefully and I don't race. Sure I get ont he gas and have soem fun here and there, but nothign extreme. Part of the reason is because I don't want to hurt my friends or family,a nd part of it is that I don't want to pay for repairing my car. I've put a lot of tiem and money in it, so I'm careful with it. At the track, I go all out and push the car to it's limits (sometimes beyond), but I'm careful not to approach those limits on the street.

let's not get into my family life. that is not the topic here. i understand what you guys are saying. and yes, i would feel horrible if i killed someone. but, there's no way i could. i drive fast on roads that have no intersections, no houses, no cars no people. if i do see a car, i slow waaaaaay down. if any of you were to ever see me drive, besides a race, you would think i never speed. i'm either going fast, or five over the limit. i do understand what you guys are saying, about it being stupid. but, it's my life.

Remember what i said about these cars and how there's more power under the hood than skill in the driverseat in too many cases in the other thread? Here we go again. I don't want to sound cold but i am so sick and ****in tired of idiots like that screwing up this hobby for the rest of us. Everytime some little rich punk screws up in one of these cars that mommy and daddy bought, people push harder and harder to make it difficult for the rest of us to enjoy our cars (high insurance, closing tracks, etc etc). It might sound hypocritical but the rest of us like the people on this board have to work for our rides, have more respect for our cars, and have a little more sense than that. The only good thing about that crash is that he didn't hurt someone else with his stupidity. Let's see. Going 130+. Check. On a small road in the boonies. Check. With trees all around. Check. I'd expect a little more common sense out of an "adult". Driving fast is one thing, doint that is another..

my sister is 21 and HAD a 1996 firebird CONVERTIBLE, but one day a few months ago she was going down a back road and lost it. Flipped the car 3 times. but she got REALLY lucky, every time it flipped it landed on the top of the PASSENGER side. but she was lucky enough to get away with NO broken bones and just a bad cut on her head.

[quote]Originally posted by nitrobreth

i do understand what you guys are saying, about it being stupid. but, it's my life. [/QUOTE

Not just your life..what about the people that could get hurt? Saying you speed with no one around is great but you're not psychic people come out of nowhere and that's when something goes bad. Maybe you'll be lucky enough to have an "experience" that will change your views. I've done plenty of speeding myself most on long highway straights but looking back and realizing doing 145mph and over on a highway is just asking for trouble whether people are around or not. But hey it's your life...

I just want to say that you should have your license taken away. This goes to show that movies do affect kids. I hear of lots of kids crashing their cars around here and they probably have the same mentality.

My first car was a gutless 79 cutlass, with a V8. Good car to learn on, and they're pretty much the same size on the road as thirdgens.

I learned in a Nissan 2wd truck and scared myself in that a couple times. Was following a friend of mine through some twisties trying to keep up with him then the truck drifted into the other lane. If there had been another vehicle coming, it would have been a major head-on crash. Other time I was messing about and got the truck sideways going about 30 and thought I was going to flip. After that, I wasn't doing as much crazy stuff but still drove it to the limit after I had lowered the truck 4 inches and putting on wider tires. Used to take a 35 mph road at about 70 maybe dropping down to 35 - 45 for some tight turns.

Now in the Camaro, I haven't pushed it much at all because it kinda suprised me one day. Turning left at a stop street, the backend stepped out when I was making a normal turn. Since then, I haven't tried to take corners fast or whatever untill I learn what the car will do at what speeds in a open area or at a track.

Nothing anyone says will change anyone's mind on this board. We're all faceless names on the internet. Only experience can make you slow down and finally learn what the consequences of driving recklessly are. I was in an accident with my g/f at the time and her best friend. We were coming home from a party in an area that I wasn't familure with. No one had been drinking and I was 17 at the time. I was doing about 55 on a country road and came up over a hill that had a 90 degree turn at the bottom about 50 yards in front of me. I was a little tired and didnt' react in time. I jerked the wheel and slammed on the brakes. It was just enough to keep me from hitting a 1 ft. diameter concrete gate post that was right next to an equally big cedar tree. The left control arm hit the tree and cut it off 6 inches from the ground. The tree flew 25 feet from the point of impact. The car was actually airborn to get over the drainage ditch. 6 inches to the left and I wouldn't be here today. I was only going 10 mph over the limit and I was stone sober. It doesn't matter what you're doing or where you are. If you're not careful you will die. I haven't had a moving violation since then.

Big fan of the "Fast and Furious" but i think some people were right the movie should of never been made. I have head of and seen alot of KIDS crash because they were trying to look like someone in the movie. Yes i am only 19 but i have only gone over 100 mph once or twice. Scared the hell out of me. Love the movie but some KIDS arn't mature enough to watch it and know its a movie. Good thing for the new laws in new jersey that restricts KIDS from driving with more then one teen the the car with them at the same time. REMEMBER it is you who has to look the parents of the person you killed in the eyes at you murder trial.

Let the morons kill themselves. We can weed out morons from the population. There should also be no worning labels on anything. If somone is to stpid not to use a hair drier in the bathdub, they deserve to be electricuted. If someone is to stupid to keep a resonable speed is a stock car, they deserve to go too.
THERE ARE TOO MANY ****ING IDIOTS IN THIS WORLD. Maybe there would be less rice burners too.

I agree with that

Its stories like this that make me wonder how in the hell i'm still alive. When first started driving i was the most wreckless person ever. (The Z i have now is and was my first car btw) I used to do pewer slides aroun 70* corners at 80 mph, i used to take wooded twisty backroads and 115+ mph, i used to race everyone, everywhere. It took me putting the Z into two ditches after sliding off the road in the rain around a corner while doing about 80 mph to get me realize that i wasn't invincible. Lucky for me the only damage done was a flat tire. I've been driving for coming on three years now, and while i'm still crazy, i'm a lot less stupid about it. The local drag strips have helped me calm down on the streets somewhat, but it's still hard to resist a nice curvy road. However i've learned that keeping it under 80 is just as much fun, and power slides at 15-20 mph have the same effect as those at 80 mph, except you know the car is gonna be ok.

These couple of events saddens me as much as the next guy, but most of it can be blamed on the same stupidity that i used to be guilty of myself.

Looking at it now, i think the main thing tha has calmed me down is my respect for my car. Working on it day after day, and restoring it, and putting hard earned money into it has really made realize that losing it for a few seconds of fun is just not worth it. I think if these kids would get there hands dirty with there cars a bit more often, and learn to respect them, we would all see all less of these acts of stupidity.

Eric

The problem is the mommy and daddys buy them the cars. They don't know what is like to work 50 hours a week just to pay for YOUR car. They know if something brakes or they crash they will get the new car. zlet them go to the bank and ask for the loan and do it all by themselves. Plus like it was said get their hands dirty and not having the local "hook up " place do it. It all comes down to the respect they have for their cars. And if mommy and daddy bought it you loose a lot of that respect. Just let them see how it is and their will not be so many dumb accidents

Won't somebody please think of the porn? LOL how many of us are guilty of having dirty photos on our hard drives? I can't imagine leaving a folder of naked women behind for my mom to find after killing myself in a wreck...


I have to say, it is much better to pull off low speed stunts... that is what should seperate us from the ricers... with torque and RWD we should be able to get away with a lot more fun... you don't need to be going 60 to push the back out like you do with FWD... I have spun myself around many a corner at 10-20 MPH... and granted, a couple times I've ended up in the other lane, but I am willing to take responsibility for dinging my rear quarter panel on someone's fender (only T intersections)... No sense in endangering other lives.

One of my friends said he wouldn't ride with me anymore after I did a messy 180 around a corner at 15 MPH... but of course he has no problem doing 95 in a rickety old 87 Camry... People seem to be far more afraid of spinning out than they are of flying off the road at well over the posted speed... I've spent lots of time in snowy parking lots... a practice more of us should take up...

nitrobreth... good luck to you, I can tell it's gonna take an eye openning experience for you to come to your senses... that's probably how most of us decide to fly straight... A couple naps behind the wheel and flying down a deer infested road at 95 in the middle of the night on several occasions were my "first car offenses"... Never again!

I am rather proud of my clean driving record... Never totalled nothing and no points to date... Ah well time to go to bed.

-CPC

I did some dumb things, and a new driver should not get an 8 cylinder car to learn on

I can't agree...I learned on a 77 cutlass with a 350 rocket power....thing topped at 135(varified by police radar)

I'll admit it was dumb but I've learned a lesson or two from that car.....over correct and you're screwed, sideways for 1/4 mile is bad...especially in front of the police station, and the cars in the movies are weighted.....ain't nothing that old that corners like a vette...

im 16, i got my lisence april 6th of 2002... i also own a 83 z28 that i have scared my self many times, but i dont learn from it i just keep pushing myself and haveing a great time, when i do have people in the car i and very very safe but hen i am by my self i just cant stand to go 25 or anything that slow i choose to do it because i know that the one time that i go 30 or above in a 25 something bad will happen, so that only times that i mess around now are when it is in a remote area with lots of space. and then i will do a few burnouts and brodies and thats it. first week i had my car i was going down the highway trying to top out my car and a guy switched lanes infront of me on a two lane highway and i had to jam on the brakes and swirve off the road onto the sholder to not hit him... so since then i dont do it on public roads... sorry for the long post

im 16, i got my lisence april 6th of 2002... i also own a 83 z28 that i have scared my self many times, but i dont learn from it i just keep pushing myself and haveing a great time, when i do have people in the car i and very very safe but hen i am by my self i just cant stand to go 25 or anything that slow i choose to do it because i know that the one time that i go 30 or above in a 25 something bad will happen, so that only times that i mess around now are when it is in a remote area with lots of space. and then i will do a few burnouts and brodies and thats it. first week i had my car i was going down the highway trying to top out my car and a guy switched lanes infront of me on a two lane highway and i had to jam on the brakes and swirve off the road onto the sholder to not hit him... so since then i dont do it on public roads... sorry for the long post

Day after i got my license it snowed and we have a nice s bend on the driveway for work going down the driveway i hit the first bend at 60mph and the car did not want to turn and i ended up in the ditch and after that I learned

you must have a pretty big driveway to hit 60 mph. And that was the dumbest thing i ever heard of (going 60 in the snow trying to master a s turn) Bet your parents wern't to happy and maybe thought twice about letting you drive. And the part that suck is that you couldn't even cover it up because it happened in your own driveway.

No that is what I'm sayin!

Here is my story. I am now 21. As far back as I can rememebr I have had a reoccoring dream that I die in my car. Pretty young. The passanger rear tire blows and causes the car to spin and flip and smack a wall. the bad thing it is always going over 110. I do not drive fast when there are people in the car. When I am alone and only have my self to worry about that is a different story. I have always pushed my cars to the limits. I have gone over 120 in my 88 TBI several times, and close to 130 in my 86. All on the highway with no other cars in the way. the fastest I have ever gone was pinned the needle in a 99 Z28 on the NJ turnpike. Cheating Death, OH you bet your A$$ I am. For the adreiline rush, I can't live without it. Even when the DMV took my lincense and I still drove really fast. I don't know when my speed obsession stops. Maybe when I am dead. It is just in me by my self and I can't control it. I have lost people i was close with from car accidents, and i have not been in one. but it just sucks when someones luck runs out.

Your license should be revoked permanently.

Wow.

That guy almost sounds like me. Hell, i've done 135+mph on dark neighborhood streets in my firebird WAY too many times (rosemont). If I'm not careful I guess that will be me someday.

Well it was for a while. Now I got it back.

I don't understand death wishes. There are so many things to experience and so many people to know. Sure going fast is an adrenaline rush, but so talking to an absolutely gorgeous woman and she doesn't laugh in your face, or watching a brother or sister grow up and make you proud. Being successful and seeing the look in your parents eyes that they raised a good person not a F*ck up. Even if you are a complete a$$hole people still love you and when your gone they miss you a lot. I don't want to put people through that because I've been there. You don't have to respect yourself, but you have to respect other people.

I'm not saying that I don't look out for other people in the car. Hell last night I was comming back from the shore and i was HIGH AS A MOFO. I stoped at every rest stop so I could get some air. Take it this was at 2 in the morning and I had someone in teh car with me. They were worse then I was. I have calmed down so much since I was younger. I try and keep speeding to a min. and try and race only at the track. It doesn't pay to have 31 insurance poitns with no accidents. I have 10 DVM points had 13. I have learned many lessons while driving 4 years.