Has anybody raced a WRX yet and if so how did you do?? Also it pisses me off when I race somebody and win and then they go say that they wasted me. About a month ago I raced a '68 Camaro with a 327 in it and I was clearly beating it, so I stoped and talked to the guy for a little bit and then when I come home the next weekend from school these guys asked if I had raced him and I said yes. They said the guy told everybody that he smoked me. Man that pisses me off. Sorry for the long post.

one fri. night me and my friend were cruising around in his 88 iroc l98 and we saw a 71? plymouth scamp with a "340" we stopped right in front of his car, revved up to about 4 grand, and told him to follow us if he thought he could beat us. well he didnt. later that week he came into advance auto parts (were i work) and was bragging about beating a blue iroc that clearly fit the description of my friends car. i laughed out loud and told him he was full of crap. I was with him all night, and my frined would have told me he got beat, he told me he got beat by a civic with nitrous for goodness sake. any ways sorry about the length , yeah i hate posers like that.

dont know what your car runs but you only have a chance from a roll unless ur running 14's and he prob still take you from a roll also so....

umm, what kind of car do you have roadog115? mods?

A good friend of mine has a silver WRX 5-speed. At Lapeer Dragway (in MI) he was running consistant mid 14s, I believe that his best was a 14.3 or 14.4. His car is completely stock, and that was in the middle of the afternoon ( temps were in the low 80s, high humidity though). He is a very good driver though, so if you run someone who can't drive a stick (or launch an AWD car), a stock L98 or LB9 5-speed should be neck and neck.

remember with AWD he will get the holeshot (best 60' was a 1.9 I believe), then you should start catching him at the top end.

is it just me, or does someone else not get this?? top end on a WRX = boost = bye bye TPI.....

its just you awd=worst thing for top end trust me they have noo top end... still might be bye bye tpi tho

Remember, after the launch, AWD is simply added weight and drag. Though I think that the WRX would win the race, the 3rd gen would be catching him. You can only take 227hp so far, eventually 240hp and less drag will become apparent.

true, but a car that makes it peak hp at 6k rpms is still going to have a good top end even though it has increased drag due to the AWD.

so will a weight difference of 400 lbs.....

just to let everyone know, im in no way sticking up for the WRX. i would love to see one get its a$$ handed to it buy an L98. im just taking into account all the facts...

You'd better watch out if you run into a modded WRX though. A guy around home has a modded WRX wagon. Larger intercooler, turbo, gutted 4 of 5 cats, 02 sim, some other stuff and is running around 12.9. So unless you're quicker than that beware. This isn't to say that a N/A V8 is by any means no competition, just not a common thing on the street.

I've seen several import magazines (my roommate is an import fan. I've tried converting him, but he's a lost cause now) That have dyno'd numerous stock WRXs in the 150rwhp range. That's how much drag the awd induces. And while 240hp doesn't seem all that much more then 227hp, 330ft/lbs of torque is a definite step above 217ft/lbs of torque. A stock WRX isn't as dangerous as the hype wants us to believe.

With some extensive modding on the other hand, that awd can be a serious advantage.

I've got a '92 Z28 with a 5.7 TPI and my mods include: Edelbrock headers, 3" Flowmaster, 160 thermostat, K & N Air Filters.

They have 227hp, dont get me wrong I HATE TPI but its not THAT bad, a 2.0 60ft with a L98 should take it, those cars are all about the launch, not the high end.

yeah, i think a 350 TPI car can outlaunch a WRX if driven right. my Vette has the wheelhop prone IRS suspention setup and i manage 1.94 60fts regularly on street tires. :hail: low end torque

AWD vs torque. Sounds like a good race to me, but top end I think the l98 should take it. In the end it will probably come down to the driver.

I just raced one today. It had a custom chrome exhaust and you could hear the wastegate whistle so it was obviously modified.

It wasn't really a fair race because I followed him around a low speed corner and then we both hit it. He did pull away but keep in mind that even though my car is modified it is still very limited by the stock LO3 cam shaft. I honestly think that with an aggressive cam my carbed 305 would have had the HP to out run it.

I will admit that I really like the AWD turbo platform.

However, the WRX is 13 years newer and must have cost at least three times what I have into my car so I'm really not disapointed.

A buddy of mine has a modded wrx and that thing is no joke. when we were at the track he ran a 12.5 and he doesnt have that much done to the engine. he has the basic boost control, bov, custom exhaust, and some other small things but that car really has potetial so watch out.

The weight difference will make more of a difference down low. At a given mph, you reach a point where wind resistance is a larger obstacle to going forward than weight is. This is where the extra horsepower of the 5.7 will really show. Also notice that weight doesn't effect top speed whereas aerodynamics and horsepower do.

Sorry, Tpi vette, I love american muscle but there is NO way a stock 3rd gen is going to launch on a wrx with a experienced driver on the street! That's a pretty good 60ft. time for your vette, but remember, that was at the track. The street is a whole new ball game. My GF wanted a WRX so we went and test drove one. If you drive it like you hate it, it will mow just about anything for 60ft. It is still pretty quick on the big end too! I hate hondas, and most imports, but I love the WRX! I don't care what it is; if it's fast I want one! THanks!
Chad

well, i havent raced one on the street yet, so i dont really know for sure how it would go. there are a few of them running around where i live so im sure ill get my chance soon. if it happens, ill let you know

It's easier to hook off the track..... but the same goes for both cars, although I doubt that the AWD would benifit from more traction, they have no prob at all launching pretty much anywhere. As far as those cars being boosted, so what it's a boosted weenie motor, NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT. Especially on the top end. Thats just my two cents.

Here's my view on it after watching a co-worker mod his new '02 WRX.

Completely stock, new to the car = mid 15's
Completely stock, used to the car = high 14's
Stage 0 ECU upgrade w/ upped boost = mid-low 14's
Uppipe, Downpipe, Intake, Exhaust = mid-high 13's

And thats where he's at now, He hasen't gotten into the motor, the turbo, or the IC. With just basic bolton mods and a stage 0 ECU upgrade (there are 4 stages, 0 thru 3) hes in the 13's. As far as keeping up on the top end or whatnot, I have no idea. Thats just what I saw as far as the 1/4 mile times he was telling me he was running (I trust him).

I think they are nice cars. Nice interiors, 4 doors, and sporty. But would I buy one for 30k? Nope.

Doesn't surprise me, you can do the same thing to a AWD eclipse, same style of mods, they still won't have the torque though. I have raced a highly modded Eclipse turbo on the freeway starting at 70 mph, raced twice I gained about a carlength per second, both times, He was probably sporting a modded turbo too, cause it was whistling really loud.

LIKE I SAID: There's no replacement for displacement.

But for everyone that doesn't think that they at least run low 14's I wouldn't put any money on racing a WRX. Shoot, with a fart can, intake and some stickers, they should be able to run low-mid 14's like crazy hawaiian said.

If I run into one, I'll let you guys know how it turn out, if you can't guess...

1984 Z- 28: L-69 bored to 310c.i. w/ 3k mi., 204/214 420/442 cam, edelbrock intake and 600 cfm carb, Holley Powershot filter ( open element), Edelbrock headers, gutted cat, 2.5 inches to a 2 chamber Flowmaster, Centerforce clutch on the T-5 and Energy suspension: Motor mounts, trans mount, and torque arm bushing

I own a WRX and stock they are ok, but with little modding done to it i have over 300 at the wheels. Now thats pretty quick. I think if a Z28 and a wrx both stock it would come down to the better driver, Wrx doesn't have the top end like the Z28 does but will rev up quicker. I would like to see a drag in person it would be great

Dude....this thread is six and a half yrs old.

Damn I didn't even notice thathttp://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/images/smilies/confused.gif It still would be badass to see them go head to head

i raced my cousins 07 wrx 5spd stock(not sti) vs my 87 l98. full bolt-ons shift kit 373's. we raced from a dig. he jumped on me by about a car since he has awd but i crept up and passed him and managed to gain about a car or so by the time i hit about 70

The WRX, EVO, and even the old Diamond star cars can be very fast with the right parts and a good driver. Not to be underestimated...

Unfortunately, the 4WD and the turbo makes these cars very easy to mod... You can keep adding parts to up the boost and still have the traction stock to handle it.

The bad part about these cars is the 4WD drag and the fact that the largest motor they stick in them is a 2.5L - even with a turbo, they don't have the low end of a TPI.

The one car that I think in a few years will piss all over the WRX is the BMW 335i, which can be had in 4WD. Stock they have a 3L 6 cylinder with 300hp and can be brought up into the 400hp range with a computer, intake, and exhaust. That is enough to run in the mid high 12's - and be as fast as the M3 with a lot more power potential. Plus they have a lot better aero than the boxy WRX and EVO and are in the $40K range.

I raced a WRX when I had an LB9 motor in my car w/ a cam, K&N filters, MSD dist. and got smoked. Last year I ran one from a roll w the 383 I have now and walked all over him, he eventually passed me when I slowed down for traffic. Those cars are fast! with a chip, cold airkit, exhaust and tune they produce more boost and can get in the 12's, I spoke w/ aguy at the track. He was running high 12's. I wouldn't mess w/one if I had a stock 3rd gen.

lol, the sti's and evo's are not at all to be under estimated. i know of experience cause i work for a scoobaro and mitsubishi dealership and am a certified mits tech. i have test driven a few 400+hp evos, those things will blow your mind how hard they pull. launching a car with awd and still having wheeel spin, means they are very well a contender. cams and more boost will bump the power a substancale amount, throw some meth/water injection and your set. the mits 2.o can handle 500hp on stock internals to give you an idea.

I don't doubt a word you say, my car is no slouch 500HP and revs to 7k clean and everything else trans,alum.driveshaft, exhaust, suspension mods,brakes, lightened, etc. and I shouldn't say I walked all over that guy cuz he wasn't that far behind me. The only thing that's beaten me on Hwy was an 07 Vette and he couldn't catch me til 140. If I didn't have that 3:42 rear gear and had the old 4:10 I would of lost on the topend for sure!!

oh i hear ya, in stock trim the cars are good for 13.2 to 13.4 between the sti and evo, not that quik if u ask me, but still pretty damn good for stock. i pefer an american v8. alot cheaper to fix and more plentyful in parts and imo they take mods with alot less grief.

iirc those vettes are governed to 160mph, so if you guys stayed in it a lil longer u could of had him top end as well

Yeah, when I ran the vette, I had just broken the motor in and it really wasn't dialed in yet. We rolled off from 70mph I had him good and when I was around 115 he came charging hard past about 135-140 the we came up on traffic! Hoping to hit Maxton later this year, could be interesting...
Nothing like a V8, that's for sure!

theres one other car dont forget the audi s4 250 hp twin turbo 6, with a chip your in 300. Their nasty i drove one this weekend pretty fast at half in 3rd, i would say it would be right next to a new mustang or old ls1 car. Ima chevy man but i would drive one of them wrx's their nice cars. Just remeber when theres no misplacment for displacement get a bigger turbo. sorry for the rice quote haha

I was thinking of the V6 turbo S4, but it is not made any more and they only made a few thousand of them over the model run. I almost bought one new in 2001 - bought the TL instead. Can be very fast modified - 2.7L V6 has a big advantage over a 2.0 or 2.5L 4 cylinder...

The one problem with the EVO and WRX is they rely on boost to make power, not a combo of displacement and boost (like a Supra, S4, or 335i). So you have to put 15psi (minumum) of boost through the motor (200hp NA if they are lucky) to make 400hp. Easy to do, but there are limits on the stress 4 small pistons can take.

My best friend is running a bugeye wrx, stage two ecu, perrin downpipe, gt35r rotated turbo (running it at 1.2 BAR), 4" exhaust, o2 sims, perrin front mount, cryo2 sprayer, stage two injectors, and a cobb 93 oct. map out of his accessport, running even 12's and on an incredible 60 he hit 11.98 78 degrees F. outside. All on stock 2.0 internals. Been that way for almost two years now. He maintains it well. Not a thing wrong with it. Those pistons can handle it.

the piston ringlands are the weakess link.

Maybe with 400hp or so... Push 600hp and see what happens - ee boom!

I told him what you said, and he said he'd move to the stronger and better cast 2.2 block, and stuff it with forged bottom end goodies. He said he'd hold 600+ then easy. But He also said you're right, after about 460 crank he's gonna start worrying about his pistons and rings.

funny u mentioned this, today a saw a piston one of the other techs pulled out of a sti, it was about the size/shape of a large strawberry. kid threw a rod thru the block and intake plenumn into the hood.

Wow thats a tough break huh?

Uh huh I suppose you can coax 600+ N/A CHP out of a 350 with a completely stock short block with no worries?

No, both engines will need to be built at that point so whats your point?

i dont recall anyone insinuating that a N/A stock small block would push 600hp. but since you brought it up, there are quite a few small blocks with turbos pushin 600+ on stock crank and rods and thats fords and chevys. so what is your Fing point?

all we are saying is that the subaru engines have limit like anything else, and 600 on stock shlt is borrowed time.

WRXs are not as quick as people like to think. I used to own an LS1 powered Holden Commodore, it made 417hp at the rear wheels from a basic head and cam package, daily driven. It has run a best of 11.89 @ 118mph on street tyres.

I never bothered racing WRXs in that, I took on a modified Evo IX, modified Liberty (Legacy?) B4 turbo and beat both quite convincingly.

My favourite scalps were an R34 GTR and Ferrari F355.

I am wondering how long a turboed stock block would last with 600hp. I wouldn't even attempt it.

My friend had a Ford Excursion with a Banks Turbo Kit.. I think it was doing 500 hp and 1000lb of torque... We would beat the WRX off the line and it would just pass us at the 1/8th mile... what fun ! I was in the truck for a coupel races against it & later in the crowd, I remember hearing the announcer saying "I hope that guy in the Excursion has the extended Warranty!"



Raf

I have seen heaps of LS1 powered cars in Australia with turbo/supercharged/stroker engines making over 500rwhp - many of them are regularly street driven and raced.

The guy who did all the work on my LS1 had a twin turbo LS1 with big cam, stock block making over 500rwhp running 10.8s with the stock 6 speed - daily driven.

Ok N/A or not a stock average 350 is very much on the verge at 600 CHP period. With patience and a ton of prep work you can hunt down a factory high nickle block and set it up to be a bit more stable at that level but it's only marginal at that point.

And as someone allready pointed out the subi people also have a source of stranger factory blocks to chose from so the stregnth issue is a wash. < thats my ****ing point btw.

Now if you want to step up to aftermarket blocks i do believe Chevy has the advantage there.



LSx = 6 bolt mains and drasticly improved casting and consistancy. A 1 or 2 G sbc is very weak in comparison, even compared to many import motors. A Mazda KL series V6 similar to the one in my Mazda has been pushed to over 800 CHP on a factory block, crank and heads.

That was also in Australia, it was put in a holden sedan ( cadillac catera in the US) and ran competatively in the GT V8 supercar racing series.

800 CHP from a 2.5 for hours on end is damn impresive in my opinion.

you fail to consider cost between the two. and i didnt feel like getting into this on a 6 year old thread.

i didnt spend gobs of time hunting down my block. and its just an old truck 350 casting. i push over 500 chp, with nitrous 650 and its held together fine. the block im not worried about. internals will fail first. with a boost aplication, a sbf will split the block around 650hp. chevys will withstand 750-800 quite awhile with good internals.

and dart blocks will poon those lil guys.