Looks like Mopar is getting a little too turbo happy. They're coming out with this as well. 2003 PT Cruiser Turbo Price: $23,000(est) Vehicle layout: Front-engine, FWD, 4-door, 5-pass Engine: Turbocharged 2.4L/205-hp I-4, 4 valves/cyl On sale: Fall 2002 0-60 mph, sec: 7.5 (est)

Why is this a bad thing? An AMERICAN auto manufacturer is making FAST CARS. It's not like GM is making anything better.........oooooooo another FWD N/A 6!!!!! Wow, they need another one of those!!!!!!!!!! Oh wait, that's all they have. When I see someone make something better maybe I'll agree. Don't get me wrong, I love my IROC, but GM doesn't have a single affordable new car that interests me. When are they going to get with the program? Dodge has a brand new 5.7L V-8, and is trying to put it in MORE cars. GM had a 5.7L V-8, but is scared to put it in anything! The old excuse of economy or emissions is utter bull**** , an LS1 with a 6-speed and a good driver will pass emissions with flying colors, and can knock down 30mpg if you try. GM needs to wise up before they lose their heritage. I'm still waiting on a new RWD V-8 sports/muscle car for under 25K, we'll see if they pull it off.

Neons are pieces of garbage. The PTs look good, but they use Neon drivetrains. Would be pretty easy to turbo the PT in that case, huh? Well, REAL DRIVERS, get ready to see plenty of blown up and wrecked compact pieces of **** on the highway. Sad but true. I wish it wasn't.


Hey, Nic, that sounds pretty good--the Turbo GT. You could add an extra letter. Call it the GTT or TGT.
So how much hp can you get out of the average engine with a 7:0 compression ratio? I know that's a broad question. How much can you get out of the average 3.8 built for a turbo? 300 hp?

now heres one bad *** neon... http://www.allpar.com/racing/nhra/neon-nhra.html
LOL

Think about it though. The BOV is integrated into the compressor. There is no need to install one because it comes stock. There is no need to upgrade it because the stock BOV is matched up to the limitations of the stock turbo. The only reason someone would need to upgrade the BOV was if it couldnt handle high boost. But that turbo wont make high boost. Its a small turbo (16G based). If people want high boost they will replace the turbo, witch in turn means they are replacing the compressor, witch means they will NEED to buy an aftermarket BOV for high boost. So that BOV should be fine for that turbo. And I'm almost 100% certain you will be able to turn up the boost with an aftermarket solution. Guarantee you some aftermarket company will develop a piggy back ECU / boost controller. This will probably void the warranty. But the fact that it comes with a 2.25-bar map sensor means they know people will want to push higher boost (FYI 14.5 psi = bar 1).

Not glorifying Neons or anything but for around 20k out the door this is a pretty cheap fast car with potential.

I agree, but like i have always said,

3rd Gen - $4,000
LS1 engine - $10,000
Misc Mods - $6,000

Cool factor - 1,000,000 times better then a turbo neon.........

But i agree Hawaiian, those are impressive specs for a sub-$20K new car......

How fast can you go with wrong-wheel drive, before you have to run around with wheelie bars that touch the ground when you're stopped, and slicks on the front?

Front wheel drive is definitely not for drag racing, and isn't great for road racing either.

I like the engine. I have nothing against small motors putting out lots of revs and lots of hp. That's nothing new. BUT, it's when the OE's install them east/west so that soccer moms can drive in the rain, I get pissed.

I think the STR-4 is cool as hell.
Although selecting a more attractive vehicle to boost would have been more appealing and sensible.
I'll wait to see how they *actually* do in RL before I give them the
:hail:
I still remember the wrx hype.. *snicker*


We gotta quit with the lame "it's still a neon" excuses and start modding guys.

There are plenty of ppl who think thirdgens are ugly and junky, does that really matter in a race?

Is anyone else offended by this statement? When I think muscle, I think V8.. not a 4 cyl with a syringe's worth extra displacement than my VW.

I see nothing Neon about that car. Maybe the headlights.

:sillylol: LMAO

Sure it does. Its a good thing to take weight off the driven wheels (front) and transfer it to the rear at speed, right?

-Doug

The way normal FWD cars should get converted to High performance cars.

I say for one year, GM reproduces the 57 Bel Airs, Pontiac with the GTO's , 67 Chevy Nova's all with big blocks, carbed, cammed, headers, tuned exhausts, muncie 4 speeds!!! that would be awesome to see a blast from the past at new car lots!!!! I love to dream about this....AARON

I found a 68 camaro that had that done. Moved to a LT1 Power plant. All updated, suspension, electronics, bla bla bla.
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/S...5/camaro1.html