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Get rid of the wing and make that hood scoupe functional and I'd think about sporting it as a daily driver. Then I'd laugh at everyone as I beat them in a NEON
Turbocharged V8's is where it's at. We're expecting in the neighborhood of 600 hp to the wheels on 93 octane in my buddy's daily driven turbocharged GT with his new combo.
Wow a Neon. You notice the name, Neon. It does not matter if it is turbo-charged, it is a Neon. And since it is still a Neon it is still designed for little girls that have daddy buy them a cute little car with pep, either that or little scrawny white boys that think their Neons are mad tyte, or the old people gas saver car. Now lets look at the two kinds of drivers that will be seen most often on the road, little girls and wiggers. So lets add a sec onto the 1/4 time for sheer mad tyte driving ability. It has a 5spd so lets add on another half a sec, for there inability to shift right and launch right, and we are looking at 15 sec cars.
And since it is still a Neon it is still designed for little girls that have daddy buy them a cute little car with pep, either that or little scrawny white boys that think their Neons are mad tyte, or the old people gas saver car.
Then I guess the only people who drive 3rd gens are 40 year old white guys with ******s. Eh?
Then I guess the only people who drive 3rd gens are 40 year old white guys with ******s. Eh?
LOL. those are pretty impressive times out of a 4 banger. But ever since my friend put a huge wing and drove without hubcaps (to loo, like he races it), i'll never like a neon
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Originally posted by fast86z28 gotta give em props for a stock 4 banger but as mentioned be4 most people driving them will have the racing ability of roger rabbit...
dont know how roger rabbit drives but that was still too funny
14.2@102?!?!? When did C&D start using a G-Tech? Or was it measured on their "optical fifth wheel" going downhill. They barely got times like that out of an LS1... with over 100 more HP! It's either a misprint or a tuned "stock" demo car.
I am with Mark on this one, it was most likely a tuned stock demo car from the factory. The Factories love to give people their cars for testnig, just after the engineers do some tweeking unbenounced to the people they give it to.
Just let me say I hope you guys are right about the tuned demo car.
However if your not so what, dude it's a factory turbo, and just about any factory turbo responds great to mods (GN, TTA, TSi, VR4, Supra, RX-7, etc.). So let's look at it from a racing standpoint, great another fast car on the street, I think it's stupid to not like it just because it's faster than me (even though it's not ) I think it's a good reason to go mod my car some more.
I think any car introduced to the market that is stock qiuck is a good idea no matter what.
Dodge is headed in the right direction with Ford. Dodge has the new Hemi which is going into the new Charger or the 300M soon, the viper V-10 Ram, and now the neon. Ford has the Thunderbird, Muarader, Mustang (Cobra ) and the Lighting.
What does GM now have??? The SSR pickup (looks good but no performance) the Silverado SST (I think that's what they call it??, ooh a N/A V-8 holy crap watch out Lighting's ), and the new GTO a car that looks like crap, and could be out performed by the car it replaced. Oh yea the savior of GM the Corvette Z06, because you know everyone can afford those. GM needs help from anywhere they can find it !! . I mean do something, build a Cavy with a wicked turbo, supercharge a Corvette, just do something that will get the market back.
Ok now let me state I am a true Chevrolet (GM) fan but they just don't seem to be doing anythning right now.
Later, Garrett
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Originally posted by kevosiroc I am with Mark on this one, it was most likely a tuned stock demo car from the factory. The Factories love to give people their cars for testnig, just after the engineers do some tweeking unbenounced to the people they give it to.
Says who? This isn't 1969. These Neons aren't passing through Mr. Norm's before they get to the magazines just like Pontiac didn't send LS1 Firebirds to Royal. The bar is being raised. Hell, it never stops rising. Don't think the OE's didn't learn from that Cobra fiasco a couple of years ago. If anything, they are under rating cars to avoid problems.
I don't care if the thing has 30lbs of boost, it's till gonna have a hard time staying next to me. Nevermind the fact that its gonna last two weeks with the said 30lbs of boost.
And when i'm done racing and it's time to turn around, i'll still be able to flick the throttle and send the *** end around, instantly feeling better about being me. you'll never have that feeling with a neon....
Pretty Freakin' ignorant aren't you. Dude I got $ that says with a chip and some wastegate work those light neons will be whooping up on you. Dude don't be stupid if they are what they say they are your going to have some problems when people start modding them!!!!!!!!!
not ignorant at all, thank you. Not being stupid either, Thanks again. Quite frankly i just don't see the modding potential on these things. Rumor has it that the 16G turbo is already approaching its boost limits out of the factory, so upgrading more than a couple pounds is gonna require much more than a boost controller. Then you factor in the fact that they are boosting an engine that is known to have longevity problems N/A, and you see why i'm not concerned. Now granted, a few of the right people are gonna get there hands on these things, and they are gonna fly, but for the other 99% of them, I'll retain my previous statements, I'm not worried
i'm not really looking to get into a p*ssing match here, so it would be great if we could both drop it right here. We obviously both have different opinions, and i don't see either of changing our views, so live and let live?
I'd like to talk crap about Neons too, but with numbers like that (14.2) I have to give my respect. These will be embarrassing alot of v8 domestic owners very soon. I wouldn't be supprised if they started breaking into the consistent 13's for under $1000 in mods (downpipe, exhaust, and a boost controller). I hate em I hate em I hate em!! When I see the specs I like to compare it to my SVO. I think the weakpoints will be the tranny and drivetrain. I've seen boosted Neon R/T's run mid 12's on a stock block. Drivetrains parts started breaking before engine parts. And considering it comes boosted stock I'm sure Dodge did something to make the engine last longer (maybe lower compression). I still hate Neons but I'll be on the lookout for these!!
Dodge is offering Stage 1, 2 and 3 upgrades from the factory, each with different levels of additions. Larger turbo is one of them; I don't have the complete lists but Stage 3 takes it north of 300hp.
Somebody on another message board was saying that Sport Compact Car took it and it dynoed 20xhp at the wheels and that they rated the FWHP (fly-wheel) at somewhere around 233hp. So to the person who said underrated-- possibly so. We all know about the LS1's running around putting 300 to the wheels when that was supposed to be the flywheel horsepower. Same with the new Cobras.
And it ran that 14.2@102 with 205/55 tires... imagine a little more beef... 235, 245; more traction is always a good thing, right?
My friend drives a 2002 VW Golf GTI 1.8t or whatever the hell all the names and numbers to it are... he's upset about this car. He was impressed with his 7.0 sec 0-60 time and now there's a NEON with a 5.6 on the board Not that his Golf has a huge performance heritage, either.
If I had to get a daily driver, I'd probably buy this car. It looks like an incredible steal for $20k. And from what I've read the bottom end is built so it could handle more boost if the turbo is up to it... if not, well-- we all know what that means
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Originally posted by FLYNLOW92rs Those times are by PROFESSIONAL drivers for C&D.......
I'd highly doubt that some ***** kid can pull the same numbers...........
Actually, a good number of them couldn't run a decent pass to save their lives. Magazines routinely get **** numbers out of quick cars. I remember MT pulling a 13.1 out of a Viper GTS and C&D running a blistering 13.2 in a Z06. Like i'm one to talk, i'm the king of the 2.3 second 60 footer.
Its still going to be slow. It has the same setup as a DSM basically (with the same psi and same compression). So with mods you will see what....500rwhp AT THE MOST. But then you have to worry about traction. Its one thing to have the power...its another thing getting it to the ground. I have a feeling the Neon will be a nice car for the burnout contests.
Put things into perspective, 4bangers in the 80s were lucky to have 80hp while v8s had an average of 180hp i guess. Now 4bangers have 200hp and v8s have 405hp. Just freshen up your 80s motors and then you can make fun of the neon cuz its slow not because it fast.
Yea, you ever watch those guys on tv? They just drop the hammer and when it stops spinning, it stops spinning. My mom could pull better ET's than they do.
Originally posted by Snake32v Its still going to be slow. It has the same setup as a DSM basically (with the same psi and same compression). So with mods you will see what....500rwhp AT THE MOST. But then you have to worry about traction. Its one thing to have the power...its another thing getting it to the ground. I have a feeling the Neon will be a nice car for the burnout contests.
WHY are you saying rwhp?
rwhp is REAR WHEEL hp....OMG I'd love a boosted RWD Neon....I'd MURDER a 14.2
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The neon is going to own you.
Sure, the Neons are butt ugly, but do you feel any better about getting beaten by a butt ugly car as opposed to a sharp looking one?
Also, the weight of those SRT-4s is in the neighborhood of 2800-2900 pounds. That's a good 600-800 pounds less then an LS1 4th gen.
Engine reliability concerns were primarily on the 99 and older entry level and SXT Neons, not the 150hp RTs or the newere models (2000+). And do you really think alls Dodge has done is slap a turbo on the motor and call it good? Christ, you'd think we'd give our Domestic Manufacturers just a tad bit more benefit of the doubt before laying reliability judgement on a car that isn't even in the dealer lots yet?
I'll be the first to admit that I'm getting a bit upset at the lack of attention us V8 sportcar enthusiasts have been getting lately, while more and more compacts and SUVs are hitting the streets every year. But I'm not about to go and bash all those vehicles without the facts to back them up. Now, once I have the facts, I'll be all to willing to jump in with the bashing, because then I don't have to worry about looking like an *** six months down the road.
Ok, here are some questions about the SRT-4 Neon answered by Dodge engineers. This isn't all the info, just some of the important stuff for the people to lazy to check it out on the Dodge sit. it shold answer a few questions.
Q: WHat kind of turbo is on it and what is the peak PSI?
A: The turbo charger is from Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. The model is TD04LR-16GK and it has a maximum pressure ratio of 3. In the vehicle you will see anywhere between 10 and 15 psi of boost preasure, depending on ambient conditions.
Q:What is the official HP rating?
A: The official hoursepower rating is 215 bhp@5400 rpms, and the maximum torque at the crank is 245lb-ft@3200-4200 rpms.
Q:When the MOPAR upgrade components are released, what will they consist of, and what will the price be?
A: Even though the SRT-4 is pretty potent right out of the box, there are some engine and suspension-related MOPAR performance parts currently under developement.
Q: How big is the Intercooler?
A: The SRT-4 intercooler is a highly efficient, seven row VALEO unit unique tothe Srt-4. The end tanks were optimized using comutational fluid dynamics analysis, and the core section area optimized for high flow. It's the largest design that was packaged between the frame rails, and it works very well.
Q: Does the SRT-4 utilize a 2-bar map sensor or a 3-bar map sensor?
A: The SRT-4 is equiped with a 2.25-bar map sensor.
Q: Will it include the current 7/70 powertrain warranty?
A: The SRT-4 will have the standard new vehicle warranty offered at the time and location of purchase.
Q: Will there be a factory spoinler delete option for those who don't want to attract attention of local law enforcement? -Similar to the WRX no-spoiler oiption.
A: There will not be the option to delete any of the standard equipment on the 2003 Dodge SRT-4. The rear wing in functional and balances the car's aerodynamics at speed.
Q: With so much power on the front wheel drive, how did you deal with torque steer?
A: Torque steer is minimized on the SRT-4 with the application of equal length halfshaft drive train.
Q: Where is the blowoff valv mounted?
A: The blowoff valve is integrated into the compressor housing.
Q: Will the PSI be tunable?
A: The trubo boost on the SRT-4 will not be tunable. The boost control has been optimized for peak performance under a varity of condtions.
Q: On the first magazine ad that I've seen for the SRT-4, there are 2 more openings on the front fascia. Is that an option, or will that look be permanant.
A: The production fascia has 2 large openings above the bumper beam. The design optimizes the SRT-4's cooling system for performance driving.
Q: Does the car feel more solid than a regular Neon?
A: The SRT-4 is a high-performance derivative of the Neon platform, and many improvements have been made in the SRT-4's chassis to improve it's performance.
Q: Is the scoop functional?
A: Yes, the scoop on the SRT-4's hood is functional. It directs cold air at the turbocharger to provide more cooling.
Q: Why the 2.4 liter engin?
A: The 2.4 liter was the largest engine we could fit in the Neon, and it was co-developed with the engine that is now offered in the PT Turbo.
Q: Are the brake calipers really painted red, and are the front rotors cross-drilled?
A: The SRT-4 brake calipers will be powder coated read, and the front rotors will not be cross-drilled.
Q: Is the clutch tension strong enough for a man or made for a girl.
A: the clutch in the SRT-4 si a heavy-duty 9 1/2 inch Sachs unit and the clutch pedel efforts are similar to production Neons.
Q: Can you describe the handling of this vehicle as it compares to the Focus ZX3?
A: What's a Focus ZX3?
Q: Why won't it come in a 6-speed?
A: The SRT-4 has mountains of good ol fashioned Detroit muscle, and does not need extra gears like some other high revving engines.
Q: Rumor has it this car is a take off from the Subaru WRX. Is this true?
A: What's a Subaru WRX?
Q: What kind of connecting rods will be used. Better than the old 2.0 stuff?
A: The Dodge SRT-4 2.4l turbo engine has heavy-duty cracked forged steel connecting rods. The pistons are made from a high-strenght aluminum alloy and feature full-floating piston pins.
Why all this over another high 14 second car? I have yet to see any WRX hit mid 14s stock at the 3 tracks around here. Remember all the hype they received. I only raced one and from a roll at that. Easy kill - No quicker than an Eclipse GS-T. 102 MPH would require at least 250-260HP in a 2900lb car.
Q: Where is the blowoff valv mounted?
A: The blowoff valve is integrated into the compressor housing.
Q: Will the PSI be tunable?
A: The trubo boost on the SRT-4 will not be tunable. The boost control has been optimized for peak performance under a varity of condtions.
Q: Is the scoop functional?
A: Yes, the scoop on the SRT-4's hood is functional. It directs cold air at the turbocharger to provide more cooling.
-ok first about the BOV being on the compressor housing.if it is integrated into the housing,im thinking that means that it is FIXED,and not upgradeable.that right there is MISTAKE #1 because we all know that is one of the first mods that are on the list of turbo upgrades,for the performance and of course that PPPSSSSSTTT!!!
-and now im reading that the boost IS NOT TUNEABLE!!LOLOLOL oh boy i sure hope theres a way around that or else the goofball MORONS that buy this are going to be VERY VERY disappointed that to even raise boost is going to require heavy modding,if it is even tuneable AT ALL.i cant help but laugh at this car so far.
-and about that scoop directing cold air to the turbo.i am failing to see the turbo in the pic of that engine,or even a diflector of some sort that shoot air to the turbo that is soooo convientely hid behind the motor where it is visible only if looked for hard enough.
ok well im done with my rant.my opinion.you want a quick turbo car thats actually worth the money.ok then buy a DSM or WRX.cause whats better than a turbo?a turbo with ALL WHEEL DRIVE!!!
NEON SRT-4= :lala: <---:nono:
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Originally posted by Marc 85Z28 14.2@102?!?!? When did C&D start using a G-Tech? Or was it measured on their "optical fifth wheel" going downhill. They barely got times like that out of an LS1... with over 100 more HP! It's either a misprint or a tuned "stock" demo car.
), and the new GTO a car that looks like crap, and could be out performed by the car it replaced. Oh yea the savior of GM the Corvette Z06, because you know everyone can afford those. GM needs help from anywhere they can find it !! . I mean do something, build a Cavy with a wicked turbo, supercharge a Corvette, just do something that will get the market back.
Not that his Golf has a huge performance heritage, either. 
